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spirit of antichrist is in the world today

kjw47

Well-Known Member
Oh my, do you even see the error in your thinking? Probably not, because you are programed to SEE what your "real teachers" want you to SEE, you don't and can't think for yourself.

"They corrected their errors as well as the errors that came in for the last 1750 years--no one else made correction, because truths are not being revealed through any one else."

Does that really make sense to you? Lord I hope not, I hope you were just in a hurry and mis-typed!

Your "real teachers" make "corrections" because THEY are the "only ones" TRUTH is being revealed to?

If your "true teachers" are having TRUTH "revealed" to them, why is there a need for "correction"? I don't understand that at all!


Imperfections of mortal man is why correction is needed. The JW teachers only had error filled trinity translations to go by for 80 years, it took years of studying the bible, old writings, history, languages by many men. Satan is very powerful. He gets bad teachings in--In Peters book bad teachings had to be corrected--Paul had to correct Peter on a matter one time. Titus was left behind to correct error teachings that got in. The Israelite religious teachers had many errors in place in Jesus day. As long as satan lives he will not stop--His #1 job relentlessly attack Jesus' seed.
 

kjw47

Well-Known Member
Yes, if you let a 10 y/o read the NT, he/she will see that Jesus never uttered the name. Jesus NEVER told anyone to use it, NEVER!

I can't, because those verses do not say what you want them to say. Please, just answer this question, PLEASE?

If God wants His name USED and known as bad as you claim He does, why does the Bible NOT have any record of Jesus, God's own Son, or anyone in the NT using His name? If it is mandatory for everyone to use His name, as you claim it is, wouldn't you think the people in the NT, especially Jesus, would have USED it on a regular basis? Is it one of those, 'do as I say, not as I do' situations?

Every witness tries to make an argument out of silence, it doesn't work! Just like you witnesses say, "Jesus never claimed to be God". Because it's NOT recorded that Jesus EVER said it, that means He isn't, right? There is NO record of Jesus EVER uttering the name Jehovah, so, by the witness argument of silence, Jesus NEVER said the name.

From your own Insight book,

*** it-2 p. 464 Name ***
A word or phrase that constitutes a distinctive designation of a person, place, animal, plant, or other object. “Name” can mean a person’s reputation or the person himself.

Jesus never uttered the name Jehovah, but He always talked about His Fathers character!


Wow, How sad--you don't know Jesus. The book of Ezekial says about then and these last days about 20x--They will have to know, I am YHVH(Jehovah)

How can they know if the name isn't used?
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Fact---whether this world likes it or not--Jesus is only with the JW teachers.

Facts are universally proven and confirmed by any person christian and not.

The Christian belief is that jesus is with all christians-JW included. It's not fact unless you can prove it's universal without human interpretation. Two and two is four regardless the language we use. Use two things on either hand and put them together, they double. We don't need language etc to prove it.

Nothing wrong with belief. It is what it is.
 

kjw47

Well-Known Member
Yes, EVERYONE must ask themselves! I know that is directed to everyone who is not a witness, but you should be asking yourself.

Matthew 6:33 (ESV Strong's) 33 But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.

Do you understand what is meant by "the kingdom of God" in that verse? I will bet you are "seeking" the coming kingdom.

Do you understand what is meant by, "and His righteousness"? I will bet you don't! These verses describe the witness org perfectly,

Romans 10:1-4 (ESV Strong's) 1 Brothers, my heart's desire and prayer to God for them is that they may be saved. 2 For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For, being ignorant of the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

Witness are ignorant about the righteousness of God, they believe they can establish their own, by not going to war, not eating blood, going door to door, saying the word "Jehovah". They believe they can earn their righteousness, you can't!


Your post is not truth---Living now to Do Gods will is what gets one listed as righteous by God. Yes all the things you listed is Gods will.
If Romans 10:4 were a whole truth. Then this teaching from Jesus proves it is not. Matt 7:22-23--all told they are Christian, every one of them believes--yet when Jesus tells them at judgement--Get away from me, I must confess I never even knew you--Jaws will drop to the floor--They all believe--its the blind guides telling one that believing is all one needs to do--they lose--every one of them. Believing is a partial truth. Mortals are required to do many things on their part.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
God hadn't revealed his name to Moses at that point. He did later.

Names in many cultures describe the characteristics of whom that name is given. It isn't a name as in Carlita. It's a title that sums up a collection of characteristics of a person. For example, god is a creator, all knowing, etc in abrahamic faiths. Christ means anointed one just as Messiah means savior.

These aren't names as in who we call people. They are collective nouns to describe a person. Jews don't describe god. The name they give him isn't a descriptor name. Giving god a "name" outside of his character.

Name means different things to different cultures. American Christians have a different definition of names. So, they call The creator's son christ, when christ has a specific name to his character.

What name did Moses give that is not one word that describes many attributes with it? What word did Moses give that has no meaning to the jews?
 

kjw47

Well-Known Member
@kjw47 Translate means to communicate the meaning of the words of one language with the words of another language. It is about changing the language form.

I asked you about who translated the Bible and you said that you think it was the Catholics and the Jehovah's Witnesses. Then you said that they didn't start with the Hebrew and the Greek.

Please tell me what you think to translate the Bible means. Do you think it means to explain it?

The Bible was translated and the translation carried over meaning. Real meaning requires the translator to be for The Holy Spirit, but you said, "No apostate ever knew a truth before the JW teachers did. Only in twisted reasonings of those who stand in opposition".

Then, I said, "who translated the Bible?". Someone who knows about the truth had to have done it or the Bible wouldn't be right. If men translated the Bible without The Truth then it would be the work of men. According to the Jehovah's Witnesses, The Bible is the work of God, Jehovah.

It was translated and copied BEFORE any JW teacher was ever born.


Jw teachers had to translate to correct all of the trinity translating errors made by Catholicism to fit false council teachings. Many greek scholars say its the best translation ever done.
 

kjw47

Well-Known Member
You're saying that the "real teachers" didn't create their Bible from the original transcripts, they used the copies of the copies and then wrote what they THOUGHT the originals should say?

I would really think about that if I were you!

Your "real teachers" are the only ones who get the "truth" from God, but with that "truth" they keep making "errors" that have to continuously be "corrected". Good thing God is patient huh?



Its Gods will to do it that way--Or don't you understand that when Jesus' real teachers= the faithful and discreet slave who give food( spiritual) ---- AT THE PROPER TIME= When Gods wills it known--not before. But the teachings are still in the bible and taught on. Not one on earth knows the truth of those matters but must still teach about them because they are in the bible already--thus errors occur.
I have already shown facts that trinity scholars know, yet will do nothing to change the lies they teach. It may have begun as error, but now they know and it becomes a lie once one knows. The wise make correction. Jesus' real teachers make correction every time without fail.
 

kjw47

Well-Known Member
Names in many cultures describe the characteristics of whom that name is given. It isn't a name as in Carlita. It's a title that sums up a collection of characteristics of a person. For example, god is a creator, all knowing, etc in abrahamic faiths. Christ means anointed one just as Messiah means savior.

These aren't names as in who we call people. They are collective nouns to describe a person. Jews don't describe god. The name they give him isn't a descriptor name. Giving god a "name" outside of his character.

Name means different things to different cultures. American Christians have a different definition of names. So, they call The creator's son christ, when christ has a specific name to his character.

What name did Moses give that is not one word that describes many attributes with it? What word did Moses give that has no meaning to the jews?


God himself told Moses his personal name--YHVH(Jehovah)= bible fact.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Jaws will drop to the floor--They all believe--its the blind guides telling one that believing is all one needs to do--they lose--every one of them. Believing is a partial truth. Mortals are required to do many things on their part.

Do you actually believe this?

Why would people believe god after being told that they have ignored him their whole life times?

What incentive do they have to believe if not by force?
 

Rick B

Active Member
Premium Member
Like I said coward. Tail-tucking, whimpering, fleeing coward.

@kjw47
Your leaders must be ashamed that you cannot represent their teachings with direct, coherent, rational interactions regarding Scriptural rejoinders to your absurd ramblings.
 
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djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
Imperfections of mortal man is why correction is needed. The JW teachers only had error filled trinity translations to go by for 80 years, it took years of studying the bible, old writings, history, languages by many men. Satan is very powerful. He gets bad teachings in--In Peters book bad teachings had to be corrected--Paul had to correct Peter on a matter one time. Titus was left behind to correct error teachings that got in. The Israelite religious teachers had many errors in place in Jesus day. As long as satan lives he will not stop--His #1 job relentlessly attack Jesus' seed.

The Holy Spirit I believe in can overcome the "imperfections in mortal man" and have the "truth" taught the FIRST time!
The witnesses have had their OWN bible since 1934, maybe earlier, why are they STILL making errors?
Lol, apparently more powerful than your god or your version of the holy spirit!
And your god can do nothing about it?
 

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
Wow, How sad--you don't know Jesus. The book of Ezekial says about then and these last days about 20x--They will have to know, I am YHVH(Jehovah)

How can they know if the name isn't used?

You should really read Ezekiel again, this time without the blinders on! For one, nowhere does it say, "they will have to know I am Jehovah". God is saying, when I do these things, then they will realize Who I am.

Ezekiel 5:13 (ESV Strong's) 13 “Thus shall my anger spend itself, and I will vent my fury upon them and satisfy myself. And they shall know that I am the Lord..

Ezekiel 6:14 (ESV Strong's) 14 And I will stretch out my hand against them and make the land desolate and waste, in all their dwelling places, from the wilderness to Riblah. Then they will know that I am the Lord.”

God is telling what He's going to do, in His wrath, and you think it says, "Then they will know my name is Jehovah"?

God is telling of His character, Who He is, that has nothing to do with His personal name!
 

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
Imperfections of mortal man is why correction is needed.

No, you are trying to avoid the question again by blaming others for your "true teachers" failings.

You said, "only your true teachers have the truth given to them, no one else on earth gets the truth but them".
If they are getting the TRUTH, straight from the Holy Spirit, how are they messing it up?
Every word they teach they say they get direct from the Holy Spirit, but they still mess it up and have to correct it. So is it the Holy Spirit guiding them astray, or do they NOT have the truth? When they mess up, it's either they didn't have the truth, or the Holy Spirit is just giving them the wrong info.
 

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
If Romans 10:4 were a whole truth. Then this teaching from Jesus proves it is not. Matt 7:22-23--all told they are Christian, every one of them believes--yet when Jesus tells them at judgement--Get away from me, I must confess I never even knew you--

Let's look at Matt 7:22-23 for a moment, shall we,

Matthew 7:22 (ESV Strong's) 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’

These men were prophesying, casting out demons, and doing many MIGHTY works in Jesus' name, they knew the power and authority that was in Jesus' name, but they didn't belong to Jesus, they had no relationship with Jesus, that's why He said, "I NEVER knew you".

Jaws will drop to the floor--They all believe--its the blind guides telling one that believing is all one needs to do--they lose--every one of them. Believing is a partial truth. Mortals are required to do many things on their part.

These verses go along with my response above also,

Luke 23:42-43 (ESV Strong's) And he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.” 43 And he said to him, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise.

I don't need an English lesson on those verses either! My point is, that man didn't have a chance to get baptized, he didn't have the chance to go door to door, all he did was turn his heart to Jesus, that was it, and it saved him!
 
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