What is your relationship with the spirit world

PopeADope said:

Spirits respond to being evoked.

BHBA: some spirits do respond to being evoked, but most do not. Of those that do, some are going to be helpful, and others are not going to be helpful. That is, some can be invoked, while others can be provoked...and I'm not sure you want to do that...

The Catholic Church and the Orthodox Churches believe that the deceased can be invoked and that they hear our petitions and pray for us and that their prayers are more powerful than the prayers of living people.

BHBA: I agree that those denominations do allow something like that, although I'm not clear on the details.

In Scripture, God is spirit. Angels are spirits. Fairies are spirits. The souls of the deceased are spirits. The pagan Deities are spirits.

BHBA: Yeah, perhaps in the Abrahamic scriptures and traditions, although I think the omnimax creator deity is rather beyond our category of simply "spirit," and maybe the same applies to the angels. But then again, I'm not one who buys into that cosmology/cosmogony. To me, there are lots of different KINDS of spirits, and their being "spirits" says less about them and their variety by forcing things into a single concept, which implies a single substance, structure, origin, etc., than is really the case.

There is an invisible world that influences the material world.

BHBA: There are many 'invisible' worlds that overlap, influence, and are influenced by our 'material' world.

What is your relationship with this world?

BHBA: My relationship to these worlds and their occupants is to interact with them through ceremony, ritual, behavior, etc. I see them as relatives, as kinfolk, regardless of other traits, and try to be respectful to them.

Have you ever seen a Fairy, a ghost, an Angel, or a Deity?

BHBA: I have experienced and interacted with what I consider to be members of the Fae. I have encountered spirits that could be thought of as 'ghosts,' although I am not sure that what I have encountered is really what is thought of in modern conceptions. Angels reflect a certain cosmology/cosmogony that I don't believe in, but I have encountered what appear to be powerful spirits. I used to think I had encountered deities, but now I am doubtful...after all, I'm just a little guy in a vast cosmos, so how would I be able to tell that what I encounter is a deity?

Do you ever talk to your departed loved one's?

BHBA: In this life, I haven't lost anyone particularly close (close family or friends), although I may have encountered a few more distant relatives. However, as an animist, I view all others as kin, relatives to some degree, even when we are different "types" now, or to my experience.

Do spirits visit you in your dreams?

BHBA: Yes.

Do you feel them present inspiring your thoughts and actions?

BHBA: Yes, sometimes.

Have you ever gone into a trance that brought you to the spirit world?

BHBA: In trance and not in trance, in dreams and not in dreams, I have entered into the spirit worlds, or at least interacted with 'spirits'. And those from the spirit world have entered into this one, in my experience.

I'm reading Allan Kardec's Spirits book and he says that spirits are all about us and influence us often and we aren't aware of it.

BHBA: I'm not one for Kardec and the like; I'm doubtful of the cosmology of such beliefs, and what he describes is rarely what I have experienced.

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beenherebeforeagain said:

First, it is not a singular "spirit world," but a multiplicity of spirit worlds, each of which are home to many different kinds of spirit...For the rest of your questions, I'll insert my responses into your OP quote...

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PopeADope said:

Spirits respond to being evoked. The Catholic Church and the Orthodox Churches believe that the deceased can be invoked and that they hear our petitions and pray for us and that their prayers are more powerful than the prayers of living people.

In Scripture, God is spirit. Angels are spirits. Fairies are spirits. The souls of the deceased are spirits. The pagan Deities are spirits.

There is an invisible world that influences the material world. What is your relationship with this world? Have you ever seen a Fairy, a ghost, an Angel, or a Deity?

Do you ever talk to your departed loved one's?

Do spirits visit you in your dreams? Do you feel them present inspiring your thoughts and actions? Have you ever gone into a trance that brought you to the spirit world?

I'm reading Allan Kardec's Spirits book and he says that spirits are all about us and influence us often and we aren't aware of it.

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PopeADope said:

Spirits respond to being evoked. The Catholic Church and the Orthodox Churches believe that the deceased can be invoked and that they hear our petitions and pray for us and that their prayers are more powerful than the prayers of living people.

In Scripture, God is spirit. Angels are spirits. Fairies are spirits. The souls of the deceased are spirits. The pagan Deities are spirits.

There is an invisible world that influences the material world. What is your relationship with this world? Have you ever seen a Fairy, a ghost, an Angel, or a Deity?

Do you ever talk to your departed loved one's?

Do spirits visit you in your dreams? Do you feel them present inspiring your thoughts and actions? Have you ever gone into a trance that brought you to the spirit world?

I'm reading Allan Kardec's Spirits book and he says that spirits are all about us and influence us often and we aren't aware of it.

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ThePainefulTruth said:

There is no spirit world, .

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PopeADope said:

There is an invisible world that influences the material world. What is your relationship with this world? Have you ever seen a Fairy, a ghost, an Angel, or a Deity?
Do you ever talk to your departed loved one's?
Do spirits visit you in your dreams? Do you feel them present inspiring your thoughts and actions? Have you ever gone into a trance that brought you to the spirit world?
I'm reading Allan Kardec's Spirits book and he says that spirits are all about us and influence us often and we aren't aware of it.

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Mrpasserby said:

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My question to you is what do you really want to know?

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PopeADope said:

I want your wisdom.
I want your understanding.
I wanna use magic.
Want to communicate with the deceased.
Wanna channel the energies and graces of the spirit world into the material world.
Want to heal, prophecy, and read hearts.
Want to travel to other dimensions.
Want to know the will of the great creator spirit!
Can you help me please!

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PopeADope said:

Spirits respond to being evoked. The Catholic Church and the Orthodox Churches believe that the deceased can be invoked and that they hear our petitions and pray for us and that their prayers are more powerful than the prayers of living people.

In Scripture, God is spirit. Angels are spirits. Fairies are spirits. The souls of the deceased are spirits. The pagan Deities are spirits.

There is an invisible world that influences the material world. What is your relationship with this world? Have you ever seen a Fairy, a ghost, an Angel, or a Deity?

Do you ever talk to your departed loved one's?

Do spirits visit you in your dreams? Do you feel them present inspiring your thoughts and actions? Have you ever gone into a trance that brought you to the spirit world?

I'm reading Allan Kardec's Spirits book and he says that spirits are all about us and influence us often and we aren't aware of it.

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Mrpasserby said:

'spirits are all about us and influence us often and we aren't aware of it.'
The spirits that I work with on the astral plane/purgatory to catholics, usually have problems, in some cases I can help them to either move on or reiterate into an area where they can work to improve their own spirit body, so that they can move on. People can not see spirits because they are not initiated into the world of spirits.
In my experiences on my path: It took work and practice. I had to prepare, mentally, for the challenges of facing my own inner demons first. Once that was done a initiation followed then I could call upon my own spirit guides (they were there all along).
Most of the initial work that needs to be done, I did without any conformation. Once I had worked to a certain point then I was able to gain respect in the world of spirits and they began communicating with me. Over time and with another initiation, spirits began revealing themselves to me visually. I have visualizations and stories located in the rabbit hole forum on the thedaobums.com
look for mrpasserby

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PopeADope said:

the majority of people in our world believe differently. They may not all be wrong.{/quote]

But all religious belief in the supernatural is based on nothing but hearsay. There's no rational reason for believing any of it except that they just want to believe. I don't believe in God because there's no evidence for It's existence, but I hope God exists in the absence of any evidence that God didn't create the universe.

Some people may just not have the ability to dedect the other dimensions.

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What other dimensions? And if they exist, so what? Why would that be evidence of God?

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