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Was Jesus A Good Person

idav

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Why did Jesus answer so cryptically when someone called him a "good" teacher. Was Jesus a good person?

Mark 10
17 As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
I believe the story was concocted so as to show that even Jesus shouldn't be equated with god.........................even though this is pretty much what people eventually did with the trinity.

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Mister Silver

Faith's Nightmare
“No one is good—except God alone."

That, to me, reinforces a misinformed idea that one is not good. It is one of the things I never liked about religion, making people feel bad about themselves, making them think they are sinners, just to sell them the cure via belief in god. That to me is mental abuse, no different than an abusive husband telling his wife she is no good without him.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
I heard that it was because the guy that called him good didn't believe he was God, so he said "Only God is good".

I dunno. I wasn't there. It wasn't written in my language or culture.

Jesus preached "love your enemies, turn the other cheek, feed the hungry, clothe the naked, care for the sick, visit the imprisoned, shelter the homeless,....what you do for the least of God's people you do for him.

I'd say he was a good person.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Good and evil can be considered an artificial polarity with what is considered good varying with time and culture. Is it good, for example, to eat the hearts of a conquered warrior? Yes it was in some places and at some times.

So if the story is true which it easily might not be, the point I personally derive from it is that God is beyond the human conception of good and evil.
 

corynski

Reality First!
Premium Member
That, to me, reinforces a misinformed idea that one is not good. It is one of the things I never liked about religion, making people feel bad about themselves, making them think they are sinners, just to sell them the cure via belief in god. That to me is mental abuse, no different than an abusive husband telling his wife she is no good without him.
I agree...... I feel each child has a clean slate, a fresh beginning, and to tell them they are somehow flawed or have some kind of sin at birth is unfair to them. A very cryptic statement from Jesus, it sounds like he took the word good as meaning perfect......
 
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Unveiled Artist

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Why did Jesus answer so cryptically when someone called him a "good" teacher. Was Jesus a good person?

Mark 10
17 As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.

Mathew 23:16+ shows more of jesus character

16 Woe to you, blind guides! You say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.’ 17You blind fools! Which isgreater: the gold, or the templethat makes it sacred? 18And you say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.’…

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The verse you have doesnt sound bad. He is just correcting his disciples. Calling someone a fool regardless the intent isnt justifable.
 

idav

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Premium Member
I believe the story was concocted so as to show that even Jesus shouldn't be equated with god.........................even though this is pretty much what people eventually did with the trinity.

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I thought the trinity was written into the scripts, you think someone tried to write some human into it also, neat.
That, to me, reinforces a misinformed idea that one is not good. It is one of the things I never liked about religion, making people feel bad about themselves, making them think they are sinners, just to sell them the cure via belief in god. That to me is mental abuse, no different than an abusive husband telling his wife she is no good without him.
Right, calling a person corrupt and unable, people might start to take it serious. Although if you follow through on the logic completely then it made Jesus corrupt. It's like he almost hinted at having broken a commandment.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
I heard that it was because the guy that called him good didn't believe he was God, so he said "Only God is good".

I dunno. I wasn't there. It wasn't written in my language or culture.

Jesus preached "love your enemies, turn the other cheek, feed the hungry, clothe the naked, care for the sick, visit the imprisoned, shelter the homeless,....what you do for the least of God's people you do for him.

I'd say he was a good person.
He sure seemed like a good guy I could see how someone could make such a mistake and call Jesus good.

I see your point, a little twist in the logic, like he is saying to the guy "why are you calling me good, you think I'm god". Clever.
 

12jtartar

Active Member
Premium Member
Why did Jesus answer so cryptically when someone called him a "good" teacher. Was Jesus a good person?

Mark 10
17 As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.

idav,
Not only was Jesus a good person, but he was the best person that ever lived on earth. The reason was; Jesus lived a life exactly as his Father and his God wanted him to live, John 20;17. To mankind Jesus was good, but evidently the man that said Good Teacher, was using the term as a title, so Jesus corrected him, by saying that nobody is Good except God. Jesus committed no sin so he was able to use his body as a Ransom Sacrifice for all who would put their faith in him, and follow his footsteps, John 3:15-18, 1Peter 2:21. God never wanted anyone to die, but Adam sinned against God, so God has allowed mankind to follow Satan for these 6,000 years. God did not want all the people who loved Him to be lost forever, so He sent His son to use his perfect body to Ransom back what Adam lost for us, Everlasting life on earth, Isaiah 45:18, Psalms 37;9-11,34, 37:29, 115:16, Proverbs 2:21,22.
 

12jtartar

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Premium Member
That, to me, reinforces a misinformed idea that one is not good. It is one of the things I never liked about religion, making people feel bad about themselves, making them think they are sinners, just to sell them the cure via belief in god. That to me is mental abuse, no different than an abusive husband telling his wife she is no good without him.

Mister Silver,
You would be correct, except for one thing; The Almighty God is also Omniscient, and He created all things in heaven and on earth. This God loves mankind so much that He allowed the one that He loves the most, come to earth and live the life of a man, then give his perfect body as a Ransom Sacrifice for all people who would obey His Father and him, Matthew 20:28, John 3:15-18. How wants only the best foe mankind, so He gives people instructions for their own good, not just because He wants to make laws, Deuteronomy 10:13, Isaiah 48:17. Remember, many of the things that seem right to a person, leads to death, Proverbs 14:12, 16:25. God wants to keep people from dying early, and dying out of His favor, Ecclesiastes 7:16,17, Psalms 32:8-10, 25:8-10. God created all things, so He has the right to tell people what is the right way, especially when it is for their own good, in the future, because mankind does not know which way to go, on his own, he has too little experience and mankind's knowledge is nothing compared to God's, and God wants the very best for all mankind, Jeremiah 10:23, Proverbs 3:5-7, Acts 17:24-28, 2Peter 3:9.
Meditate for a few minutes on this one thing; God's purpose for this earth is to make it a paradise with people living forever in peaceful conditions. If people continue as most are today, how could this ever be?? Isaiah 25:8, John 5:28,29, Acts 2:21, Revelation 21:1-8.
 

Vouthon

Dominus Deus tuus ignis consumens est
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It is an expression of humility on the part of Jesus.

He didn't want to be treated different from other people, as he told us elsewhere, so as to teach his disciples an important lesson:

Matthew 20

25 But Jesus called them to him and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their great ones are tyrants over them. 26 It will not be so among you; but whoever wishes to be great among you must be your servant, 27 and whoever wishes to be first among you must be your slave; 28 just as the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life a ransom for many.”

Luke 22

25So Jesus declared, “The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them, and those in authority over them call themselves benefactors. 26But you shall not be like them. Instead, the greatest among you should be like the youngest, and the one who leads like the one who serves. 27For who is greater, the one who reclines at the table or the one who serves? Is not the one who reclines? But I am among you as the One who serves.

In other words, he aspired to be at the service of others and not to "lord it over them" like a monarch at court. He didn't want to be revered as a great "benefactor", he simply wanted to help people without receiving anything in return.


Because he was charismatic, people flocked to him in a celebrity-worshipful manner but he disapproved. In this respect, there is an insightful episode in the Gospel of Jon where a great crowd of people try to proclaim Jesus a king:


When the people saw the sign that he had done, they said, “This is indeed the Prophet who is to come into the world!” Perceiving then that they were about to come and take him by force to make him king, Jesus withdrew again to the mountain by himself.


The example of true leadership was set by Jesus at the Last Supper when he knelt down to wash the feet of His disciples.

The persecuted, the weak, the poor, the lowly, those who are "last" in the world are the ones who are "first" to God and accordingly blessed by Him, summed up in that refrain of Jesus: "the last shall be first and the first shall be last".

If anything, being a "winner" in this life is nothing to boast about in the Christian understanding, since the "first" in this world are the "last" in God's Kingdom.

So Jesus always refused to be among the "first", even when given many opportunities to be so by adoring crowds or devoted followers. He loved to subvert conventional notions of "righteousness" - often conflated with stringent religious observance of the law - and "impiety", such as his justly famous remark about the whores and tax-collectors reaching heaven before the religious leaders:


Matthew 21

Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God before you."


These individuals were not normally viewed as "good" by their societies at large, far from it. But Jesus associated himself with them.

Another saying to consider about subverting status, from the Gospel of Thomas:


46. Jesus said, "From Adam to John the Baptist, among those born of women, no one is so much greater than John the Baptist that his eyes should not be averted.

But I have said that whoever among you becomes a child will recognize the (Father's) kingdom and will become greater than John."

A small child is superior to even the greatest "holy man" of his day (i.e. John the Baptist). Or again:


78. Jesus said, "Why have you come out to the countryside? To see a reed shaken by the wind? And to see a person dressed in soft clothes, [like your] rulers and your powerful ones? They are dressed in soft clothes, and they cannot understand truth."
Jesus detested the pomp and vanity of temporal rule, with all of its trappings.

So to answer your question: was Jesus a good person? Of course he was but as a genuinely good person he didn't want people proclaiming him as such because he hated pomp and hero-worship of the kind an earthly king receives, when there was genuine "good work" to be done on behalf of suffering humanity.
 
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Vouthon

Dominus Deus tuus ignis consumens est
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Jesus was good but not merely a good teacher or good person
A merely good teacher doesn't say he will return and sit in judgement of the nations

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Climbing the mountain of God with help from the short Psalms

Yes, as Christians we regard Jesus as being the Son of God incarnate, the Second Person of the Trinity who "is begotten not made from the Father".

in the Christian religion God was thought to have become incarnated solely and uniquely in the son of a Jewish carpenter who had been executed as a condemned criminal - a man at the lowest level of the social ladder; a pauper riding about on a donkey without any political power. He alone was the Son of God.

This belief made it impossible to truly "deify" political rulers and the state in the way that ancient polytheistic peoples had with their priest-kings. The real and only Son of God, in the Christian mindset, hadn't had any earthly power at all.

Ideologically, the political order was stripped of true religious trappings or sacral underpinnings.
 
Why did Jesus answer so cryptically when someone called him a "good" teacher. Was Jesus a good person?

Mark 10
17 As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.
The Church says that He answered that way not to rebuke the person for having called Him Good, but to subtly imply that He was God incarnate. It's kind of like when professors ask their students something that they already know. The question is not asked because the professor wants to find out the answer, but rather because the professor wants to find out if the student knows the answer.
 

blü 2

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Premium Member
Why did Jesus answer so cryptically when someone called him a "good" teacher. Was Jesus a good person?

Mark 10
17 As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.
He's saying what he says in every gospel ─ he's Yahweh's agent, and Yahweh is the only god. hence the only person who can truly be called 'good'.

The Trinity wasn't invented until the 4th century.

Was he being falsely modest? Depends what you make of him as a messiah ─ the nervous, defeated human at the crucifixion in Mark, or John's cool, in-charge character, not short of ego. Mark is maybe 25 years earlier than John, so perhaps it's more accurate. Who can say?
 
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idav

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idav,
Not only was Jesus a good person, but he was the best person that ever lived on earth.
So I take it that your saying we shouldn't take it literally when Jesus implies that a good person is not in existence.
The reason was; Jesus lived a life exactly as his Father and his God wanted him to live, John 20;17. To mankind Jesus was good, but evidently the man that said Good Teacher, was using the term as a title, so Jesus corrected him, by saying that nobody is Good except God.
Thats interesting although it occurs to me that the person used the title again, of course dropping the "good" part, and says only "teacher" the second time. It appears to me that Jesus is rebuking the attribute associated with whatever title he happened to use.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
It is an expression of humility on the part of Jesus.

He didn't want to be treated different from other people, as he told us elsewhere, so as to teach his disciples an important lesson:

Matthew 20

25 But Jesus called them to him and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their great ones are tyrants over them. 26 It will not be so among you; but whoever wishes to be great among you must be your servant, 27 and whoever wishes to be first among you must be your slave; 28 just as the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life a ransom for many.”

Luke 22

25So Jesus declared, “The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them, and those in authority over them call themselves benefactors. 26But you shall not be like them. Instead, the greatest among you should be like the youngest, and the one who leads like the one who serves. 27For who is greater, the one who reclines at the table or the one who serves? Is not the one who reclines? But I am among you as the One who serves.

In other words, he aspired to be at the service of others and not to "lord it over them" like a monarch at court. He didn't want to be revered as a great "benefactor", he simply wanted to help people without receiving anything in return.


Because he was charismatic, people flocked to him in a celebrity-worshipful manner but he disapproved. In this respect, there is an insightful episode in the Gospel of Jon where a great crowd of people try to proclaim Jesus a king:


When the people saw the sign that he had done, they said, “This is indeed the Prophet who is to come into the world!” Perceiving then that they were about to come and take him by force to make him king, Jesus withdrew again to the mountain by himself.


The example of true leadership was set by Jesus at the Last Supper when he knelt down to wash the feet of His disciples.

The persecuted, the weak, the poor, the lowly, those who are "last" in the world are the ones who are "first" to God and accordingly blessed by Him, summed up in that refrain of Jesus: "the last shall be first and the first shall be last".

If anything, being a "winner" in this life is nothing to boast about in the Christian understanding, since the "first" in this world are the "last" in God's Kingdom.

So Jesus always refused to be among the "first", even when given many opportunities to be so by adoring crowds or devoted followers. He loved to subvert conventional notions of "righteousness" - often conflated with stringent religious observance of the law - and "impiety", such as his justly famous remark about the whores and tax-collectors reaching heaven before the religious leaders:


Matthew 21

Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God before you."


These individuals were not normally viewed as "good" by their societies at large, far from it. But Jesus associated himself with them.

Another saying to consider about subverting status, from the Gospel of Thomas:


46. Jesus said, "From Adam to John the Baptist, among those born of women, no one is so much greater than John the Baptist that his eyes should not be averted.

But I have said that whoever among you becomes a child will recognize the (Father's) kingdom and will become greater than John."

A small child is superior to even the greatest "holy man" of his day (i.e. John the Baptist). Or again:


78. Jesus said, "Why have you come out to the countryside? To see a reed shaken by the wind? And to see a person dressed in soft clothes, [like your] rulers and your powerful ones? They are dressed in soft clothes, and they cannot understand truth."
Jesus detested the pomp and vanity of temporal rule, with all of its trappings.

So to answer your question: was Jesus a good person? Of course he was but as a genuinely good person he didn't want people proclaiming him as such because he hated pomp and hero-worship of the kind an earthly king receives, when there was genuine "good work" to be done on behalf of suffering humanity.
That informative thanks, something it's making consider is the fact that Jesus was saying there was still a chance for everyone, the "camel through the eye of a needle" line. That reference to tax collectors and prostitutes entering the kingdom of heaven through belief and works is fascinating.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
I agree...... I feel each child has a clean slate, a fresh beginning, and to tell them they are somehow flawed or have some kind of sin at birth is unfair to them. A very cryptic statement from Jesus, it sounds like he took the word good as meaning perfect......
I think you might be onto something there. Saying good meant perfect, makes sense in the context of Jesus following with lists of commandments and a demand to let go of materialism.
 
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