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What would the world be like without religion?
- Thread starter Jeremiahcp
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There are several verses that describe the earths shape, four corners, ends, circular, standing on pillars etc
There are far more apologetics sites giving interpreted excuses for the bible writings
Interesting. Thanks.
Augustus
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There haven't been even remotely close to 800 million people killed 'in the name of religion'.
I'm not even sure if 800 million people have been killed in all wars throughout recorded history, and wars of religion are only a small minority of historical conflicts.
Some people tend to very sceptical regarding religion but very credulous regarding any anti-religion "facts"
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Augustus
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Just look at the evidence. Why did every single society in human history develop some form of religion?
What would this 'something else' be? Why did no human societies develop via 'something else' if it was not necessary?
No, not the backs of anything, but that planet Earth hangs upon ' nothing ' as in 'nothing at all' as found at Job 26:7.
Isaiah 40:22 describes Earth as being a ' circle '.
Oh now we all know that a turtle holds the earth on its shell. As the holy text says; "See the turtle of enormous girth, on his shell he holds the earth." Ok, so I stole that line from Stephen King.
In Scripture even Jesus warned us against religious troubles caused by religious leaders.
I find at Revelation 12:12 that Satan is the behind-the-scenes megalomaniac causing religious confusion.
So, without that satanic influence I think it would be a far different world.
Even without religion that does Not mean that people will decide to live by the Golden Rule.
Scripture predicted the obvious. I could have told you that. Also, that earthquakes and wars would occur, and that Christians would be opposed and declaimed.
Was it the Lord's choice to unleash Satan on earth and stand by and watch, or did Satan overpower Him?
In my experience, people do so better without religion. Where is the Golden Rule in Christianity's attempts to impose its values on the rest of us using the force of government? Do you think that means that Christians want the rest of us to impose atheism on them as they would impose Christian values on the rest of us? Secular humanism advocates for freedoms such as choice and same sex marriage. That's what I would want from Christians. Does the Golden Rule come into play there?
No. It never does. They have no intention of allowing either of those if they can forbid them.
Contradicting statements or just a difference between the use of the two words ' earth ' and ' world '.
As Psalms 104:5 mentions that earth's foundations Not ever removed, but sinners will be removed at Psalms 104:35.
In Bible speak, I find God likens Earth to a building at Job 38:4-7.
As a building can have a durable foundation that it will Not totter, so God's purpose for Earth, and Earth itself remains durable. ( Job 26:7; Job 38:4-6 )
I find at both Psalms 93:1 and Psalms 96:10 it is also referring to the ' world ' of humankind .
Psalms 96 says that All the Earth to sing to God. We know planet Earth itself does Not sing, but rather the society of people on Earth can sing.
At 1 Chronicles 16:30 I find again the word ' world ' used as in humankind.
Fear (reverential fear of God) before Him 'All the Earth' ( Earth as in meaning people everywhere on Earth).
The fixed planet itself can't ' fear ' God, but earth's fixed land is firmly established and will Not totter but will always be stable, or as Ecclesiastes 1:4 B says the 'Earth abides forever'. God created the Earth to be inhabited according to Isaiah 45:18. Inhabited by upright people as per Proverbs 2:21-22. So, I find what is fixed and unmoving is that planet Earth is 'solidly fixed' ( or 'established' - Psalms 119:90) with No expiration date for our forever abiding Earth.
There 'is' a limited time frame for the devil according to Revelation 12:2,9 and for the wicked as per Psalms 37:9-10.
I find that Jesus will destroy Satan according to Hebrews 2:14 B.
Satan contends that God's Rule is corrupted and people would be happier ruling themselves.
So, Satan contends that God as Sovereign is unworthy to be Sovereign. Better off ruling one's self.
( People even think they can self rule themselves and still continue to live after death )
By God allowing the passing of time allows for us to be born and think who we would like as Sovereign.
By giving us free-will choices we can all choose independence from God or not.
We all have the right, and ability, to choose, but Not the right to choose from God's ' can't do list '.
We are Not free to steal, murder, etc. so we are Not free to misuse free-will choices.
We are all free to act responsibly toward God and others.
The Golden Rule allows to treat others with respect whether Christian or not.
Not just that earthquakes would happen but as Luke 21:11 uses the adjective ' GREAT ' earthquakes.
All of the present-day conditions on Earth are also connected to Matthew 24:14; Acts of the Apostles 1:8.
In other words, never before in history has there been such a vast international proclaiming about God's kingdom government of Daniel 2:44 as there is today. Even modern technology has made rapid Bible translation possible so that people even in remote areas of Earth have access to Scripture in their own mother tongue or native language.
So, I find what the Bible foretells has come to pass and we will see the rest of the fulfillment at the soon coming ' time of separation' to take place on Earth according to Matthew 25:31-33,37.
Ingledsva
HEATHEN ALASKAN
Perhaps not. There wouldn't be religions saying no contraceptives, and - pump out as many babies as possible for God.
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Ingledsva
HEATHEN ALASKAN
A point for sure, but 800 million plus productive people, most of whom lived before (modern) contraception (there was always the tried and trusted crocodile dung and olive oil, or alum paste) would have had a sizeable impact on population growth.
Yes, i have crossed swords with many fundamentalists who claims circular (2D) really meant spherical (3D).
Augustus
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Funnily enough, this is still probably more rational than your claim of 800 million religious deaths...
Guy Threepwood
Mighty Pirate
Well they tried that in USSR, North Korea and communist China..
how'd that work out?
The OP didn't indicate anything like a totalitarian regime where religion was excised forcibly. After all, religion is falling organically to similar lows in Scandanavia and Japan and they have some of the highest life expectencies and quality of life. So perhaps the negative factor is fascist dictatorship and not lack of religion?
Jeremiahcp
Well-Known Jerk
That is a false equivalence, please stay on topic. We are not talking about eradicating religion that already exist; we are talking about a world without religion.
Guy Threepwood
Mighty Pirate
That would be the point though, the vast majority of free thinking humanity has always been skeptical of atheism. It's human nature. Atheism has only gained supremacy where other beliefs have been oppressed on a pretty large scale- so I'm not sure how the two could be separated in practice?