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Was Jesus Tempted by Lust

idav

idav

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Was Jesus ever tempted by lust? Didn't see anything in the Bible, he was tempted with material gain and tempted to show off gods power but women or even the thought of sex never seemed to bother the guy which I find kinda far-fetched. I find it more likely that Jesus had been with Mary Magdalene, who found the tomb. That or was Jesus asexual.

Bonus question
How could Jesus die for sins he had no chance of ever committing?
 
idav

idav

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blü 2

blü 2

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idav said:
Was Jesus ever tempted by lust?
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It seems kinky that 'a woman of the city, who was a sinner' would cry on Jesus' feet, wipe them dry with her hair, and rub them with expensive ointment (Luke 7:37-38). Who was the foot fetishist here?

And Mz Magdalene? Nothing but rumors, persistent rumors, rumors that have never gone away, rumors that someone is repeating on an internet site even as I type this.

Then there's that weird lovers' tiff scene in John 21:

15 When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord; you know that I love you." He said to him, "Feed my lambs."
16 A second time he said to him, "Simon, son of John, do you love me?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord; you know that I love you." He said to him, "Tend my sheep."
17 He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of John, do you love me?" Peter was grieved because he said to him the third time, "Do you love me?" And he said to him, "Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you." Jesus said to him, "Feed my sheep.
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20 Peter turned and saw following them the disciple whom Jesus loved, who had lain close to his breast at the supper and had said, "Lord, who is it that is going to betray you?"
21 When Peter saw him, he said to Jesus, "Lord, what about this man?"
22 Jesus said to him, "If it is my will that he remain until I come, what is that to you? Follow me!"
23 The saying spread abroad among the brethren that this disciple was not to die; yet Jesus did not say to him that he was not to die, but, "If it is my will that he remain until I come, what is that to you?"
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Homosocial, to say the least.

But he did say there's no sex in heaven. Not a smart ad for the place, but so it goes.

An equally fruitful question might be, What's with all these tales about Jesus and wine?
 
arthra

arthra

Baha'i
idav said:
Was Jesus ever tempted by lust? Didn't see anything in the Bible, he was tempted with material gain and tempted to show off gods power but women or even the thought of sex never seemed to bother the guy which I find kinda far-fetched. I find it more likely that Jesus had been with Mary Magdalene, who found the tomb. That or was Jesus asexual.
Bonus question How could Jesus die for sins he had no chance of ever committing?
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In my opinion we know very little about the personal lives of the characters in the Gospel story so people have been speculating wildly for a long time..
One example that comes to mind starts in John 1:38

"Rabbi where do you live?"
He said to them,
"Come and you will see" And they came saw where He stayed and they remained with Him that day..

We know nothing about that abode..who else lived there or anything more.

From Mark 1:30 we learn that Simon Peter had a mother-in-law. We know nothing about his wife or children if there were any..

So to speculate about Jesus and Mary Magdalene in my view is well just that .. speculation.
 
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Glaurung

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idav said:
How could Jesus die for sins he had no chance of ever committing?
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Jesus is fully human, but being free from original sin he lacked concupiscence. His reason was not susceptible to the influence of the passions.

Being human he would have had to have the capacity for sexual desire, but it would have been ordered as God intended, under the complete mastery of reason. Sexual sin is only possible by the disorder of our passions breaching over our reason, therefore to tempt someone in complete mastery of their passions with a sin of passion would have been futile.

The premise is wrong, our redemption doesn't derive from the possibility of Jesus sinning, it comes from the idea that only someone who is both God and human could ever breach the gap between God and humanity.
 
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Skwim

Skwim

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Saint Frankenstein said:
Jesus was either gay, straight or asexual depending on which sources you care to read.
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I'm going with homosexual.

John 13:23
23One of his disciples—the one whom Jesus loved—was reclining next to him;

John 19:26
26When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple whom he loved standing beside her, he said to his mother, “Woman, here is your son.”

John 21:7
7The follower Jesus loved very much said to Peter, “That man is the Lord!” When Peter heard him say it was the Lord, he wrapped his coat around himself (for he was naked). Then he jumped into the water.

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blü 2

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Musing Bassist said:
Jesus is fully human, but being free from original sin he lacked concupiscence. His reason was not susceptible to the influence of the passions.
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I really don't see how anyone could be said to be both 'fully human' and 'not susceptible to the influence of the passions'. Humans without eg sexual passion don't have a feeling for half the insights that those with sexual passions have.

Besides, he could get fired up. He did his block with the unfortunate money-changers at the temple, lawfully going about their business in accordance with long tradition.

And he never has a kind word for his family, especially his ma ─ snappy and snarly every time he mentions her (Mark 3:31-35, Mark 6:3-6, Matthew 10:34-38, Luke 11:27-28, the weird John 2:3-5) except maybe in John 19:25-27 when on the cross he briefly makes arrangements for her welfare.
 
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Glaurung

Denizen of Niflheim
Skwim said:
Prove it.
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That's pretty easy to do.

John 13:23 Greek Text Analysis
John 19:26 Greek Text Analysis
John 21:7 Greek Text Analysis

As you can see, some form of the word agape is used in all three examples.

Agape (Ancient Greek ἀγάπη, agápē) is a Greco-Christian term referring to love, "the highest form of love, charity" and "the love of God for man and of man for God".[1] The word is not be confused with philia, brotherly love, as it embraces a universal, unconditional love that transcends and persists regardless of circumstance. The noun form first occurs in the Septuagint, but the verb form goes as far back as Homer, translated literally as affection, as in "greet with affection" and "show affection for the dead".[2] Other ancient authors have used forms of the word to denote love of a spouse or family, or affection for a particular activity, in contrast to philia (an affection that could denote friendship, brotherhood, or generally non-sexual affection) and eros (an affection of a sexual nature).

Within Christianity, agape is considered to be the love originating from God or Christ for mankind.[3] In the New Testament, it refers to the covenant love of God for humans, as well as the human reciprocal love for God; the term necessarily extends to the love of one's fellow man.[4] Some contemporary writers have sought to extend the use of agape into non-religious contexts.[5] [6]
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Agape - Wikipedia
 
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Glaurung

Denizen of Niflheim
blü 2 said:
I really don't see how anyone could be said to be both 'fully human' and 'not susceptible to the influence of the passions'. Humans without eg sexual passion don't have a feeling for half the insights that those with sexual passions have.
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Sin is simply a distortion of the natural and or divine order. Sexual desire is a part of the natural order (even human beings without concupiscence would experience it) but not beyond its natural ordering which is in marriage and procreation. The corruption of our passions only darkens our intellects, it makes insight all the harder.

To understand this think of how often it is that people do very stupid things when they listen to their genitals over their heads. Be it opening themselves up to embarrassing situations, or to the potential of catching horrible diseases or even so far as to fall into outright criminality in the extremes.

Besides, he could get fired up. He did his block with the unfortunate money-changers at the temple, lawfully going about their business in accordance with long tradition.
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Passion when ordered properly is a good thing. The desire to get married and experience sexual intimacy is a good and natural thing. Feeling anger in the face of legitimate outrage is a good thing. Passion is what drives us to action, the problem is when passion is not constrained under the tight leash of reason. That we fail to constrain our passion is what clouds our ability to see sin for the corruption that it is.

Jesus' anger at the moneychangers in the temple was proper.

We were never intended to be emotionless drones, but neither were we intended to be controlled by our animal natures. It is not proper for us who have a rational nature to behave like beasts. We have an innate dignity that demands a high standard of conduct in both this life and the next.
 
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idav

idav

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Premium Member
Musing Bassist said:
That's pretty easy to do.

John 13:23 Greek Text Analysis
John 19:26 Greek Text Analysis
John 21:7 Greek Text Analysis

As you can see, some form of the word agape is used in all three examples.


Agape - Wikipedia
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The first example doesn't make for much of a different read when saying it is agape love. It would read "One of his disciples, the one he covenant loved, laid on his bosom". I never really noticed Jesus being that close to his disciples, that's super close, I normally am only that close with immediate family like spouse and children. Mom maybe when I was a child.
 
idav

idav

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blü 2 said:
It seems kinky that 'a woman of the city, who was a sinner' would cry on Jesus' feet, wipe them dry with her hair, and rub them with expensive ointment (Luke 7:37-38). Who was the foot fetishist here?

And Mz Magdalene? Nothing but rumors, persistent rumors, rumors that have never gone away, rumors that someone is repeating on an internet site even as I type this.

Then there's that weird lovers' tiff scene in John 21:

15 When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord; you know that I love you." He said to him, "Feed my lambs."
16 A second time he said to him, "Simon, son of John, do you love me?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord; you know that I love you." He said to him, "Tend my sheep."
17 He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of John, do you love me?" Peter was grieved because he said to him the third time, "Do you love me?" And he said to him, "Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you." Jesus said to him, "Feed my sheep.
18 ... 19 ...
20 Peter turned and saw following them the disciple whom Jesus loved, who had lain close to his breast at the supper and had said, "Lord, who is it that is going to betray you?"
21 When Peter saw him, he said to Jesus, "Lord, what about this man?"
22 Jesus said to him, "If it is my will that he remain until I come, what is that to you? Follow me!"
23 The saying spread abroad among the brethren that this disciple was not to die; yet Jesus did not say to him that he was not to die, but, "If it is my will that he remain until I come, what is that to you?"
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Homosocial, to say the least.

But he did say there's no sex in heaven. Not a smart ad for the place, but so it goes.

An equally fruitful question might be, What's with all these tales about Jesus and wine?
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You don't think maybe humans are meant to be that close but our culture closes us off to where we gotta be thinking something sexual. Just throwing that out there, all that you posted sounds very supiciously like temptation in lust.
 
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