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spirit of antichrist is in the world today

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
I searched through many religions claiming to be Christian- The only ones I found who teach what Jesus taught are the JW teachers. Its easy to see if one believes Jesus over men. Most outright refuse.
Facts of Jesus teachings and Israelite God worship history proves 100% there is no trinity god in existence. Few bother to look--Its only their eternal life on the line.

Well, I agree with you on that one. Neither Tanakh, or NT, actually says God is a trinity, or that Jesus is God.

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David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
[QUkjw47, post: 5289290, member: 17724"]I don't think its allowed, but it is easy to see if one believes Jesus over men. Jesus points all to his Father, not to himself. John 4:22-24- John 5:30[/QUOTE]

As Frank said, and unless we are wrong, you are a Jehovah's witness. And that is ok. I don't see where that is not allowed to say. Much easier and quicker to the point if you just come out and say it. ...Then we have a base to debate from. The criteria you give that it's "easy to see if you believe Jesus over men" would apply to every Christian belief from the viewpoint of the one of that denomination. So for the record, I have no problem with Jehovah's witnesses. Happy to have a conversation. Just easier if you say what you are to start with. Respectfully of course. ;)
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I searched through many religions claiming to be Christian- The only ones I found who teach what Jesus taught are the JW teachers. Its easy to see if one believes Jesus over men. Most outright refuse.
Facts of Jesus teachings and Israelite God worship history proves 100% there is no trinity god in existence. Few bother to look--Its only their eternal life on the line.

I do agree with some of the Jehovah's witness teaching, however I part ways with the thought that you guys are the only true Christians. Jesus was very clear that the Christian was one who believes in and follows his teaching, not one who is a member of a particular sect.
 

Sha'irullah

رسول الآلهة
Personally, I invite them in. Enjoy the visit. So far they have all been respectful.

I just keep the doors locked but if I encounter any on college campus I just ask if I can pray to my gods on their behalf. I used to ask to pray to Satan but I figured it was a bit harsh and I was just being annoying at that point.
 
All can see worldwide the division that the spirit of antichrist is causing in mortal hearts. Even in those who are told they are Christian. 33,000 religions claiming to be Christian--one is Christian, 32,999 are not. There is no division with Jesus( 1Cor 1:10)--the problem I see is that 32,999 of those religions are NOT teaching what Jesus actually taught--they are being paid to teach that religions brand of dogma.
Hearts are being filled with hatred by those who cause division. STOP believing the blind guides. Learn and apply all that Jesus taught--it is Gods will( Matt 7:21).
Here is an ultra important truth Jesus taught us----- Matthew 6:33--Therefore, keep on seeking-FIRST- the kingdom and his( YHVH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these other things will be added to you.= ultra important that a mortals heart instructs their minds daily to do this. The true followers hearts do just that without fail.
Another super important truth from Jesus---Man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY utterance from God= OT-NT--year after year and one still remembers new points--The real teachers of Jesus makes 100% sure this is accomplished by the Flock. All know if their teachers teach these two super truths.

Didn't Jesus teach that you should turn your back on people that don't follow his teachings, even if their family? How is that not division? Also, Christianity isn't the only religion in the world you know.
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
All can see worldwide the division that the spirit of antichrist is causing in mortal hearts. Even in those who are told they are Christian. 33,000 religions claiming to be Christian--one is Christian, 32,999 are not. There is no division with Jesus( 1Cor 1:10)--the problem I see is that 32,999 of those religions are NOT teaching what Jesus actually taught--they are being paid to teach that religions brand of dogma.
Hearts are being filled with hatred by those who cause division. STOP believing the blind guides. Learn and apply all that Jesus taught--it is Gods will( Matt 7:21).
Here is an ultra important truth Jesus taught us----- Matthew 6:33--Therefore, keep on seeking-FIRST- the kingdom and his( YHVH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these other things will be added to you.= ultra important that a mortals heart instructs their minds daily to do this. The true followers hearts do just that without fail.
Another super important truth from Jesus---Man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY utterance from God= OT-NT--year after year and one still remembers new points--The real teachers of Jesus makes 100% sure this is accomplished by the Flock. All know if their teachers teach these two super truths.

It may have to be considered that 33,000 need to reconsider.

It may be Christ came with a New Name, AD1844 or AH1260 being the key given in Daniel and Revelation.

Regards Tony
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I don't think its allowed, but it is easy to see if one believes Jesus over men. Jesus points all to his Father, not to himself. John 4:22-24- John 5:30
And I thought you were a Jehovah's Witness. I guess not.
 

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
I don't think its allowed, but it is easy to see if one believes Jesus over men.

It is very easy! When "men" tell you,

*** w09 2/15 p. 24 par. 3 They “Keep Following the Lamb” ***
There are many reasons why the slave class deserves our trust. Two outstanding reasons are: (1) Jehovah trusts the slave class. (2) Jesus also trusts the slave. Let us examine the evidence that both Jehovah God and Jesus Christ have complete confidence in the faithful and discreet slave.

and you believe it, you're believing men!

When "men" tell you,

*** w09 2/15 p. 27 par. 13 They “Keep Following the Lamb” ***
13 The Bible book of Zechariah speaks of “ten men” who approach “a man who is a Jew” and say: “We will go with you people.” (Read Zechariah 8:23.) Since “a man who is a Jew” is spoken of as “you people,” he is a composite man.

and you believe it, you're believing men.

How gullible and feeble minded one is to believe that nonsense that "men" teach.


STOP believing the blind guides.

You should heed your own advice!

I can't quote the whole article, but here's the link if anyone is interested in reading it. They “Keep Following the Lamb” — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I think that it is not so amazing that a group of people may have found the right way, truth, and life, but what I find utterly amazing is that according to the Jehovah's Witnesses it is not possible for anyone to go the way of The Christ except that they follow the lead of the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses. They believe that God can not reveal anything to anyone else but the men of the governing body. They teach that God's Holy Spirit is only with them.
 

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
They believe that God can not reveal anything to anyone else but the men of the governing body.

That's very true, the rank and file witness can't understand the Bible without the 7 "men" that are the slave, and yet, a witness can make this statement,

but it is easy to see if one believes Jesus over men.

The rank and file are told they can't understand the Bible, they have to TRUST the "men" that tell them what Jesus says!
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
That's very true, the rank and file witness can't understand the Bible without the 7 "men" that are the slave, and yet, a witness can make this statement,



The rank and file are told they can't understand the Bible, they have to TRUST the "men" that tell them what Jesus says!
It is what I hate the most. They say something is wrong, but they do it!
 

Oeste

Well-Known Member
All can see worldwide the division that the spirit of antichrist is causing in mortal hearts. Even in those who are told they are Christian. 33,000 religions claiming to be Christian--one is Christian, 32,999 are not. There is no division with Jesus( 1Cor 1:10)--the problem I see is that 32,999 of those religions are NOT teaching what Jesus actually taught--they are being paid to teach that religions brand of dogma.

So we should pay no attention to and immediately eliminate any religion that taught 1914 was Armageddon, that Jesus made an invisible appearance in 1919 and chose a particular organization (even though no one could see or hear him), who purchased mansions for "ancient worthies" that never appeared, or proclaim we only had a few months left before Armageddon arrives (again) in 1940, because, as you say..."those religions are NOT teaching what Jesus actually taught"?

What a great idea! :lightbulb:

After applying your own advise which religion did you settle on?
 

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
So we should pay no attention to and immediately eliminate any religion that taught 1914 was Armageddon, that Jesus made an invisible appearance in 1919 and chose a particular organization (even though no one could see or hear him), who purchased mansions for "ancient worthies" that never appeared, or proclaim we only had a few months left before Armageddon arrives (again) in 1940, because, as you say..."those religions are NOT teaching what Jesus actually taught"?

What a great idea! :lightbulb:

After applying your own advise which religion did you settle on?

Alas, if everyone could believe the imperfect, self appointed, Spirit led, error correcting "men" that the witnesses listen to and blindly follow. Even tho, Rutherford split from the original organization to form and be the leader of his own organization. Go figure!

All can see worldwide the division that the spirit of antichrist is causing in mortal hearts
 

Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
33,000 religions claiming to be Christian--one is Christian, 32,999 are not.
I would argue it's probably zero at this point. Individual Christians and non-Christians may be living Christianity, but all denominations have simply reshaped it to make themselves feel better.

STOP believing the blind guides
You first. :)

Another super important truth from Jesus---Man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY utterance from God= OT-NT
I will ask God His opinion, not a book. Books are for general ideas, not mandates from Heaven.
 

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
STOP believing the blind guides.

A witness comes to my door, tells me they are God's true followers, they have a governing body that is the only channel to God. It consists of 7, imperfect, Spirit led, error making men, that I must follow and trust completely, whether I agree with it or not. If they make an error, it may take years before God will show them the truth, but I must accept what they teach, I must accept the error none the less.

I must believe errors like this,

*** w09 2/15 p. 24 par. 2 They “Keep Following the Lamb” ***
As a group, the slave class has established an excellent record of “following the Lamb no matter where he goes.” (Read Revelation 14:4, 5.) Its members remain virgins in a spiritual sense by not defiling themselves with the beliefs and practices of “Babylon the Great,” the world empire of false religion. (Rev. 17:5) No doctrinal falsehood is “found in their mouths,” and they remain “without blemish” from Satan’s world.

But in the very next paragraph we read,

*** w09 2/15 p. 24 par. 3 They “Keep Following the Lamb” ***
3 Jesus has appointed the faithful and discreet slave “over his domestics,” that is, the individual members of the slave class, “to give them their food at the proper time.” He has also appointed the slave “over all his belongings.” (Matt. 24:45-47) These “belongings” include the growing “great crowd” of “other sheep.”

This has been taught for many years. Then in 2013, we find,

*** w13 7/15 p. 8 par. 19 “Tell Us, When Will These Things Be?” ***
Finally, we examined why Jesus’ arrival to appoint the faithful slave over all his belongings did not occur in 1919 but will take place during the great tribulation.


STOP believing your BLIND guides!!!
 

WalterTrull

Godfella
Question:
Correct me if I’m wrong, (Did I actually say that on this forum?) but doesn’t Christ mean anointed? Jesus said and did some really, really Christ like stuff and I’m pretty sure he was the Christ predicted by Isaiah. But it seems to me there are other anointeds. How about Moses? He sure appears anointed. David? So, - does anti-Christ mean not believing in anointing, not believing in the Holy Ghost, not believing that Jesus was the sole Christ, or just not doing the stuff Jesus said to do?
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
All can see worldwide the division that the spirit of antichrist is causing in mortal hearts. Even in those who are told they are Christian. 33,000 religions claiming to be Christian--one is Christian, 32,999 are not. There is no division with Jesus( 1Cor 1:10)--the problem I see is that 32,999 of those religions are NOT teaching what Jesus actually taught--they are being paid to teach that religions brand of dogma.
Hearts are being filled with hatred by those who cause division. STOP believing the blind guides. Learn and apply all that Jesus taught--it is Gods will( Matt 7:21).
Here is an ultra important truth Jesus taught us----- Matthew 6:33--Therefore, keep on seeking-FIRST- the kingdom and his( YHVH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these other things will be added to you.= ultra important that a mortals heart instructs their minds daily to do this. The true followers hearts do just that without fail.
Another super important truth from Jesus---Man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY utterance from God= OT-NT--year after year and one still remembers new points--The real teachers of Jesus makes 100% sure this is accomplished by the Flock. All know if their teachers teach these two super truths.
Christians are really a confused bunch of people. No direction or communication, divine or otherwise.
 

Rational Agnostic

Well-Known Member
All can see worldwide the division that the spirit of antichrist is causing in mortal hearts. Even in those who are told they are Christian. 33,000 religions claiming to be Christian--one is Christian, 32,999 are not. There is no division with Jesus( 1Cor 1:10)--the problem I see is that 32,999 of those religions are NOT teaching what Jesus actually taught--they are being paid to teach that religions brand of dogma.
Hearts are being filled with hatred by those who cause division. STOP believing the blind guides. Learn and apply all that Jesus taught--it is Gods will( Matt 7:21).
Here is an ultra important truth Jesus taught us----- Matthew 6:33--Therefore, keep on seeking-FIRST- the kingdom and his( YHVH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these other things will be added to you.= ultra important that a mortals heart instructs their minds daily to do this. The true followers hearts do just that without fail.
Another super important truth from Jesus---Man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY utterance from God= OT-NT--year after year and one still remembers new points--The real teachers of Jesus makes 100% sure this is accomplished by the Flock. All know if their teachers teach these two super truths.

The Jehovah's Witnesses church was established nearly 1900 years after Jesus' time. What makes you think that y'all are the one true Christians?
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Question:
Correct me if I’m wrong, (Did I actually say that on this forum?) but doesn’t Christ mean anointed? Jesus said and did some really, really Christ like stuff and I’m pretty sure he was the Christ predicted by Isaiah. But it seems to me there are other anointeds. How about Moses? He sure appears anointed. David? So, - does anti-Christ mean not believing in anointing, not believing in the Holy Ghost, not believing that Jesus was the sole Christ, or just not doing the stuff Jesus said to do?
I think antichrist means to be leading people contrary to the way, the truth and the life. It isn't about not believing. It is about persuading others to unbelief.
The Jehovah's Witnesses teach that to believe their way is to be saved. If they are wrong, they are antichrists.
Someone might seek to know the way, the truth, and the life and if he or she is persuaded to cease that search because of the promise, "we are it!" the one who does the persuading is an antichrist.
 
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