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Honest question for Trump supporters.

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Trump famously said during his campaign, ""I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters,"
As it turns out, he does indeed have an unwavering, loyal, and dedicated base. So what would Trump have to do (or not do) to lose your support? What line would he have to cross to become indefensible by your moral/ethical standards?
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Trump famously said during his campaign, ""I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters,"
As it turns out, he does indeed have an unwavering, loyal, and dedicated base. So what would Trump have to do (or not do) to lose your support? What line would he have to cross to become indefensible by your moral/ethical standards?
Having all those on the Liberal and Left shot would probably weaken my support. Probably... Jus' sayin'...
Imprisoning odious TV talking heads as done in many other countries would also make me commence hand-wringing.
Oh, dang. Wait a sec. I am not American and didn't vote for the man, so I'm not really a supporter. Jeeez. Me bad.
 

suncowiam

Well-Known Member
Having all those on the Liberal and Left shot would probably weaken my support. Probably... Jus' sayin'...
Imprisoning odious TV talking heads as done in many other countries would also make me commence hand-wringing.
Oh, dang. Wait a sec. I am not American and didn't vote for the man, so I'm not really a supporter. Jeeez. Me bad.

You're a Trump supporter.

Why are there so many closet Trump supporters?
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Trump famously said during his campaign, ""I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters,"
As it turns out, he does indeed have an unwavering, loyal, and dedicated base. So what would Trump have to do (or not do) to lose your support? What line would he have to cross to become indefensible by your moral/ethical standards?

Not that I voted for him, but I'm not wanting to see him thrown out of office either...

The two things I have problems with Trump, or really one thing that heading that direction is when he sides with the religions right on some of these social values.

What would really cross the line is if he started a war. I was really hoping he'd keep us out of interfering with other countries.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Trump famously said during his campaign, ""I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters,"
As it turns out, he does indeed have an unwavering, loyal, and dedicated base. So what would Trump have to do (or not do) to lose your support? What line would he have to cross to become indefensible by your moral/ethical standards?
Trump would have to act like a Democrat.

Regulate, tax, and spend.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
For not being an American, you've been quick to defend him, and to dismiss criticism of him. You seem to hold a positive opinion of him, so the "supporter" question still applies. I'm just disappointed that I couldn't get a genuine answer.
BUSTED! Honestly, I wish the man would shut up, just read speeches and quit Twitter. A LOT of his problems would just go away.

In order for me to cross the line? As @Nowhere Man said act like a regulate, tax, spend Democrat. That would be pretty low.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Is him starting to regulate, tax and spend really the thing Trump would do to lose your support?

His horrendous track record regarding minority groups and recent defense of white nationalists seems like a much more gripping issue to me.
IF we seem a little tone deaf it's because I don't think many even slightly pro-Trump people take his babble all that seriously. Most know he is a buffoon. I say tone deaf because I know that is how you interpret what he said in his latest press conference, but when I watched the whole thing I didn't think what he said was all that bad. Yeah, he should lay off on the fake news shtick, but he certainly wasn't defending neo-Nazi's.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
Don't blame Trump, blame GOP establishment media. The reason the support isn't dwindling as fast as it should is because the remaining Trump supporters all get their information from the same outlets. People that take opinion as fact are dangerous.
 

esmith

Veteran Member
Commit a proven impeachable offense.
However, that is not saying that I agree with his constant twitter attacks, speaking without thinking about exactly what the public hears vice what he thinks the public heard. In other words get on with governing.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
Commit a proven impeachable offense.
However, that is not saying that I agree with his constant twitter attacks, speaking without thinking about exactly what the public hears vice what he thinks the public heard. In other words get on with governing.
He doesn't know how to govern. He has no experience. Did you never know who Trump was prior to the election? I get that he tells you what you want to hear, but that's not done with good intentions.

Trump has only been in office 250 days, let's give him time for 'on the job training'. Trump needs more time to make things better...
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Trump would have to act like a Democrat.
Regulate, tax, and spend.
In order for me to cross the line? As @Nowhere Man said act like a regulate, tax, spend Democrat. That would be pretty low.
So if he literally stood in the middle of 5th Avenue and shot somebody, it wouldn't negatively impact your opinion of him? I don't believe that.

Do you feel like you're betraying your own political values if you don't support anyone with the same political values, even if they're woefully corrupt and/or incompetent?
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
So if he literally stood in the middle of 5th Avenue and shot somebody, it wouldn't negatively impact your opinion of him? I don't believe that.

Do you feel like you're betraying your own political values if you don't support anyone with the same political values, even if they're woefully corrupt and/or incompetent?
Well the likely chance Trump would go ever go out and shoot somebody is pretty much non-existant so it's really not worth even considering a scenerio like that, much less any analogy itself by which people bring up things like that.

Its making Trump out to be potentially something that's not factually true. It's more telling with those who ask certain types of questions like that as to the integrity and intent by which such questions are posed.

The political values I look for in a president isn't their personality quirks, disposition, or private opinions, but what that person actually does by way of national policy and action.

I like to vote for a person favoring a smaller less intrusive, less regulating government, proper fiscal policy that operates within the country's means, a strong national defense against foriegn aggression, a healthy domestic policy that primarily revolves around capitalism, and respecting individual state rights with little or no federal interference as warranted allowing state's to largely decide for themselves as to what social and health issues to implement for people living in each state respectively.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
Well the likely chance Trump would go ever go out and shoot somebody is pretty much non-existant so it's really not worth even considering a scenerio like that, much less any analogy itself by which people bring up things like that.
Then Trump shouldn't have mentioned it. No one believed him when he said he was going to shoot someone. He said if he did, his supporters would defend the action. Especially if he shot a brown person.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Then Trump shouldn't have mentioned it. No one believed him when he said he was going to shoot someone. He said if he did, his supporters would defend the action. Especially if he shot a brown person.
It was clearly a figure of speech albiet he could have worded things better. He is from NYC after all. A lot of people talk smack.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
It was clearly a figure of speech albiet he could have worded things better. He is from NYC after all. A lot of people talk smack.
Ya, but that's what your media excuses every stupid thing he says as. "New Yorker talk." Trump was saying that his supporters got so duped into supporting his con that there's nothing he could do to drop their support.

Some here are in that camp.
 
I think to most trump supporters asking them to ditch trump and the gop is like asking a red Sox fan to switch to the Yankees. They have spent so much time thinking the other side is nothing but evil that the mistakes made by their team is instantly forgiven. To them the greatest crime that can be committed is letting democrats succeed at anything. Even if what the democrats are trying to do is in their best interests.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
I think to most trump supporters asking them to ditch trump and the gop is like asking a red Sox fan to switch to the Yankees. They have spent so much time thinking the other side is nothing but evil that the mistakes made by their team is instantly forgiven. To them the greatest crime that can be committed is letting democrats succeed at anything. Even if what the democrats are trying to do is in their best interests.
That's why RW media is responsible for everything these people know. They teach the conservative base to hate the other party. Even if everything they say is lies.

The mission is very simple, in order to continue corporate policies the republican party needs to win elections at all levels of the government. The people benefiting voting republican are the wealthy and corporations. Due to lower tax rates, lower regulations (extra costs) and less oversight for corruption.

The republican elitists use the conservative base for 2 things, their vote and their ca$h. Panic mongering is used in both instances to fleece the flock.
 
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