Unveiled Artist
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You had mentioned your experience of the resurrection through traditions in the Catholic Faith and I'm Good with that. My experience of the resurrection is not dependant on a church but through relationships with God and people.
My experiences of the resurrection through the traditions of the Church is the experience and relationship with god and people. How do you separate them?
Thank you. I do appreciate the differences between the two faiths as they stand in relationship to God. Buddha came from a Hindu background. It would be interesting to explore to what extent he agreed with the Faith of Hinduism from where he grew up.
True. I actually haven't thought about doing that. I know The Buddha talks a lot about Brahma as compared to his enlightenment since before he was a Bodhisattva practicing Hinduism and esoteric rituals he concluded that the gods (Hindu) weren't the way to be enlightened. So, instead, he meditated, became enlightened, and gave his first discourse. I can't remember when he said he was a bodhisattva between the two events. He still acknowledges Brahma and the Hindu gods but not in the manner Bahai say that he "spoke" about god-especially-a god that did not exist in his country (He didn't mention Allah).
The clearest example would probably be the Christians having a different understanding of the Hebrew Bible to the Jews, in particular how Jesus is viewed as a fulfilment of prophecy. The Jews will deny there is any verses that support Jesus being the Messiah whereas the Christians will see about two or three hundred verses that they believe relates specifically to Jesus as the Christ. I know you don't agree with it, but Chrisitanity would never have emerged as a religion if the apostles had not taught this. They taught it because it was the truth.
I don't disagree that Christianity came from the OT. I mean, Jesus full bibliography is in the first pages of each gospel. I do lean towards the Jewish point of view. I'ma look at this later "Why Jews don't believe in Christ" but it looks like it has both christian and Jewish arguments of why they believe what they do. I mean, even when Jesus put himself equal to god, that was a big no-no for the Jews and I can see why.
You believe the bible is inspired, so it's hard to make an argument against it for learning when it's like challenging god to you. Makes for a one-sided argument, ya think?
Like you, I am more comfortable with the view of Muslims towards Christians than the view of Christiinas towards Muslims.
Oh? You're Christian. How does that work.
A while ago you and @Vinayaka told me you didn't like how much the Baha'is were quoting so I pretty much stopped. The point you made was that we really need to have a conversation and the quotes were getting in the way. I don't talk to my friends in Baha'i quotes so I've adapted.
Haha. Thank gosh. That would be a weird conversation with your friends. I learn from experiences and put things in your own words. One of your peers felt they couldn't do that as well enough as Bahaullah; so, I bite my tongue here and there. @Vinakaya is correct.
Laws around crime and punishment, fasting and prayers are examples of transient teachings compared to the Eternal. The Jews believe their Covenat with God is Eternal and will not change. Thats one reason amongst many the Jews disagree with the Christians...and the Baha'is too.
Yeah. I notice you guys (and your websites) disagree with a lot of ritual practices. I don't know if you understand how the relationship with god and his people are interconnected with the rituals, fastings, and prayers. Not everyone is a ritual person, really.
Great. That's what I was getting at as this principle applies to to a certain extent to the Abrahamic Faiths too. The words of Noah and Abraham have largely disappeared for example.
Exactly. I thought you guys meant the decay of the Dhamma as in the principles of life. The Buddha has Bodhisattvas and gods to protect the written Dhamma but, yes, he did say they will decay. But the Dhamma-the principles of life-will not.
All the Abrahamic Faiths have very able and capable scholars that defend their positions very well. I was referring to Jewish Scholars and what they would say about the original tablets that Moses brought down from Mount Sinai. They don't have them.
I wouldn't know. I know that they said every synagogue has the writings of Moses just as every Parish has the Eucharist. I think it's the Law of Moses, if I'm not mistaken.
I wasn't referring to the Catholic Church but rather the history of the Jewish peopple as recorded in the OT. That being said, my experience as Christian from a Protestant background is different than yours as a Catholic.
Extremely
I can see how you draw from your Catholic experience. A relationship with God is a living thing in my day to day life so although we are in different places I appreciate your experiences both religious and cultural that you bring to these discussions that is so enriching.
If I could separate the abrahamic god from christ's spirit and believe that god, then I'm all for it. Since I only know god of abraham through christ's spirit (sacraments), I'm kind of half in half in understanding what you're saying.
But no worries. I like talking to you. You make me think.