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HOGCALLER

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For some reason it will not accept the the following with a message first.

HOGCALLER said:
Does Satan still own the “kingdoms of the world?” If your answer is “No” then there are many verses that I will ask you to explain that certainly seem to say otherwise. If your answer is “Yes” then there are many issues, yes issues of loyalty vs. treason, involving life or death stemming from the obedience and/or disobedience of both the greatest as well as the second greatest commandment, that need to be discussed. I await your “Yes” or “No” answer. Can you see the issue?

HOGCALLER said:
Jesus here gives clear instructions to follow when we pray. To whom did Jesus tell us to pray? What is His name that we are to pray to be sanctified, honored or made holy? Can you sanctify, honor, or make holy His name by removing it from the Bible and by refusing to use it and refusing to make it known? If we do not know that Person well enough to know and to be comfortable using His name, how is it we can rightly claim to be obeying the greatest commandment? If we do not know that Person well enough to know and to be comfortable with using His name, how is it we can follow Jesus instructions that we pray to Him and for His name to be honored? Without that most basic and elementary knowledge does not the repeating of that prayer become a recitation devoid of any real meaning? If we are instructed by Jesus to pray to the Father, then why do so very many so-called “Christians” begin their prayers by invoking Jesus instead? Are they disobeying the greatest commandment when they do so? I believe so! If and individual or a group really was interested in obeying the greatest commandment, would they be so ignorant and disrespectful? Again, these are some of the most elementary of Jesus’ teachings and yet most do not have the knowledge necessary to answer those questions; do you? Can you see the issue? Is it a character problem or a knowledge problem? I say eventually both but it starts out as a knowledge problem and only when ignorance and disrespect remains as their choice does it then become a character problem, don’t you agree with that?

HOGCALLER said:
That “slave” or “steward” was not an individual for the above scriptures make it plain that this “slave” or “steward” would be present both in the first century and also at the Master’s “arriving.” That “slave” or “steward” was/is appointed by Jesus to be “over his body of attendants to keep giving them their measure of food supplies at the proper time.” The Apostles and older men, primarily those in Jerusalem but also Paul, was that appointed “slave” or “steward” in the first century. Who are they today? Or are you going to deny Jesus’ very words?

HOGCALLER said:
I am not conscious of setting a trap for you and I do not see the trap you see; but just for a moment let’s say that I have set a trap for you and let’s say it was successful, how could it possibly hurt you? I do not understand what you are worried about. Would you be so kind as to explain what danger you see in our discussion and in the “trap” you perceive? Perhaps this will help me to answer some of my questions about you and your beliefs as well as to understand why you are acting the way you are.
HOGCALLER said:
Only now that you have brought it to my attention can I see a trap in my question. Actually I now see it in both the often repeated question and this question. And now that I see it, I assure you that had I been aware it before I would have been using it before now and without an answer from you. Why and How? This way: Please correct me if I am wrong, but there could not be a trap without there being some exploitable weakness or flaw in your beliefs and/or some exploitable doubt on your part in regard to them? That necessarily means that what you were/are in reality trying to protect and/or maintain a weak or flawed belief system of which you yourself are unsure. Yes you are trying to protect something that you must know and believe at the very least is weak and vulnerable and at the worst is serious flawed. What in your character would make you want to do that? I am truly saddened that I now see it for I really had thought better of you than that. Please help me out here and explain to me how doing what it appears you are trying to do is a good character attribute.

(Hebrews 4:12) For the word of God is alive and exerts power and is sharper than any two-edged sword and pierces even to the dividing of soul and spirit, and of joints and [their] marrow, and [is] able to discern thoughts and intentions of [the] heart.
 

HOGCALLER

Active Member
NetDoc,

I am not mad or upset. I am mostly disappointed and somewhat frustrated.

So what do you say to only continuing when you are ready to answer everything in post #61?
 
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