Myths in the Judeo-Christian scripture.

sun rise · Aug 15, 2017

Also true prophecies from other traditions. So if you credit one set, you should credit that there are many fulfilled prophecies which clearly demonstrate that a particular religion is not the source of prophecy. One example:

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It Aint Necessarily So · Aug 15, 2017

Ted Evans said:
““I will scatter you among the nations and I will disperse you through the lands, and I will consume your uncleanness from you.” (Ezekiel 22:15, NASB95)

“‘Thus says the Lord God, “When I gather the house of Israel from the peoples among whom they are scattered, and will manifest My holiness in them in the sight of the nations, then they will live in their land which I gave to My servant Jacob.” (Ezekiel 28:25, NASB95)

May 14, 1948, Israel once more became a Jewish nation after almost 2k years and still speaking their original language. No other people in history has ever done that.

Now tell me again how this was written “after the fact”, can you do that with any evidence to corroborate your answer?

That would be an example of a self-fulfilling prophecy. It came to pass due to the action of people familiar with the prediction. As I understand it, Revelation describes the second coming and the apocalypse as centering around the appearance of an Antichrist who will originally seem peaceful and side with Israel against other nations before being exposed for what he is. That means that there needs to be an Israel for the end times to come.

Thus whereas Jewish Zionists were motivated to see Israel reformed to restore their ancient homeland, they had allies in the Christian Zionists, who were simply preparing the path to Armageddon. I doubt that Israel would have been reformed without that idea in play. Nor would the Israelis have enjoyed the protection of the West from their Arab neighbors.

This provided a motive to fulfill the prophecy.

Cockadoodledoo · Aug 15, 2017

If time travel to the past is ever achieved,
Then the source of all prophecies could be humanoid.
So, when making statements about prophecies in holy books,
One has to rule out time travel.

Brickjectivity · Aug 15, 2017

Scoffers? From Psalm 1?

Sapiens · Aug 15, 2017

Jayhawker Soule said:
Stop embarrassing yourself.

It seems to be all he knows how to do. If you follow his examples you must reach the conclusion that all historical novels are true because the feature real places and real people walk on and off stage.

Ted Evans · Aug 15, 2017

Sapiens said:
It seems to be all he knows how to do. If you follow his examples you must reach the conclusion that all historical novels are true because the feature real places and real people walk on and off stage.

Boy that certainly falls right in line with my statement. "historical novels", no doubt that is the only conclusion some can come to. Yep, right on topic....actually, I call that deflection when one has no logical rebuttal.

Ted Evans said:
there are over 100 prophecies that have been fulfilled in history exactly as it was foretold in scripture, below is just one example.

Flankerl · Aug 15, 2017

Judeo-Christian scripture

This is like the second time in a week this weird abomination of a construct is in a thread title.

Did I miss something?

Ted Evans · Aug 15, 2017

Flankerl said:
Did I miss something?

Obviously.

An excerpt.

Jewish World Review March 30, 2004 / 8 Nissan, 5764

What does 'Judeo-Christian' mean?

Judeo-Christian values are what distinguish America from all other countries. That is why American coins feature these two messages: "In G-d we trust" and "Liberty."

WHAT DOES "JUDEO-CHRISTIAN" MEAN?

sun rise · Aug 15, 2017

Ted Evans said:
Obviously.

An excerpt.

Jewish World Review March 30, 2004 / 8 Nissan, 5764

What does 'Judeo-Christian' mean?

Judeo-Christian values are what distinguish America from all other countries. That is why American coins feature these two messages: "In G-d we trust" and "Liberty."

WHAT DOES "JUDEO-CHRISTIAN" MEAN?

That's a classic right-wing piece which seeks to redefine America's founding and much of its Christian, anti-Semitic past as well as to insist that only right-wing politics are the politics of believing Christians and Jews.

And to note, "In God (that's the way it's stated) we trust" was only started being added almost 100 years after the nation's founding and finally added to everything during the Cold War of the 1950's.

Cockadoodledoo · Aug 15, 2017

Let's say certain people in history foretold events in their future.
So, let's explore how this could of happened......
I'll go first.
God gives Devine gifts of prophecy to certain people.
Any other possibilities?

DavidFirth · Aug 15, 2017

I like myths, really I do. There was a guy named Charles Darwin, a great hero of myth...

Flankerl · Aug 15, 2017

Ted Evans said:
Obviously.

An excerpt.

Jewish World Review March 30, 2004 / 8 Nissan, 5764

What does 'Judeo-Christian' mean?

Judeo-Christian values are what distinguish America from all other countries. That is why American coins feature these two messages: "In G-d we trust" and "Liberty."

WHAT DOES "JUDEO-CHRISTIAN" MEAN?

tl;dr
A nice catchphrase US Christians made up to further make it seem as if Christianity and Judaism are closer together than they actually are.

While in reality we don't even share the same scripture.

DavidFirth · Aug 15, 2017

Flankerl said:
tl;dr
A nice catchphrase US Christians made up to further make it seem as if Christianity and Judaism are closer together than they actually are.

While in reality we don't even share the same scripture.

I'm sure glad we don't share the same covenant. The new covenant is far better than the old covenant.

Cockadoodledoo · Aug 15, 2017

Cockadoodledoo said:
Let's say certain people in history foretold events in their future.
So, let's explore how this could of happened......
I'll go first.
God gives Devine gifts of prophecy to certain people.
Any other possibilities?

2. There's something in the nature of reality that allows information in 'the future' to be transmitted to the past.
3. It was a coincidence.
4. Beings from the future time travelled to the past and using technology, implanted that prophecy into the seer.
5. People of the future consciously or unconsciously fulfilled, naturally, the prophecy.
6. The universe is a computer simulation, and life forms pay for certain gifts before they enter the simulation. Prophecy is one of those gifts.
7. ?, have I missed something?

Nakosis · Aug 15, 2017

Ted Evans said:
Many, if not most of the Genesis deniers like to scoff and ridicule Scriptures as nothing more than myths and fairy tales. I suppose that is understandable coming from those that are ignorant, willing or not, of scripture. As an example of the Scriptures validity, there are over 100 prophecies that have been fulfilled in history exactly as it was foretold in scripture, below is just one example.

"Tyre's Stones, Timber and Soil Will Be Cast Into the Sea
In a remarkable prediction, the prophet writes in Ezekiel 26:12 (written between 587-586 BC) that the stone, timber and soil of Tyre will be thrown into the sea! This was fulfilled in 333-332 BC.

Ezekiel 26:12
They will plunder your wealth and loot your merchandise; they will break down your walls and demolish your fine houses and throw your stones, timber and rubble into the sea.

The prophet said that Tyre's stones, timber and soil would be thrown into the sea. That's probably a fitting description of how Alexander the Great built a land bridge from the mainland to the island of Tyre when he attacked in 333-332 BC. It is believed that he took the rubble from Tyre's mainland ruins and tossed it - stones, timber and soil - into the sea, to build the land bridge (which is still there)."

Tyre is mentioned 57 times in scripture. Care to examine archeological evidence and secular history records and then explain how Scriptures are not historical? Then we can try a few dozen more.

The prophecy was that Nebuchadnezzar would destroy Tyre. This prophecy was unfulfilled.

Next...

Polymath257 · Aug 15, 2017

Cockadoodledoo said:
Let's say certain people in history foretold events in their future.
So, let's explore how this could of happened......
I'll go first.
God gives Devine gifts of prophecy to certain people.
Any other possibilities?

Sure.
People notice patterns and extend those patterns to predict the future. Science does this all the time.

Sapiens · Aug 15, 2017

Ted Evans said:
Boy that certainly falls right in line with my statement. "historical novels", no doubt that is the only conclusion some can come to. Yep, right on topic....actually, I call that deflection when one has no logical rebuttal.

If the "prophecies" you were citing were clear and unambiguous and completely accurate I'd agree ... but they are not. Try again.

Polymath257 · Aug 15, 2017

Cockadoodledoo said:
Let's say certain people in history foretold events in their future.
So, let's explore how this could of happened......
I'll go first.
God gives Devine gifts of prophecy to certain people.
Any other possibilities?

I'll give you a very specific example.

Next Monday, August 21, there will be an eclipse of the sun visible in the continental US. The exact path of totality, the time for totality along that path, etc have been determined ahead of time to within a second.

This is (well, these are) certainly events in our future. And yet, they are foretold and have been foretold for years (actually, decades).

jonathan180iq · Aug 15, 2017

Polymath257 said:
I'll give you a very specific example.

Next Monday, August 21, there will be an eclipse of the sun visible in the continental US. The exact path of totality, the time for totality along that path, etc have been determined ahead of time to within a second.

This is (well, these are) certainly events in our future. And yet, they are foretold and have been foretold for years (actually, decades).

Odd that religious predictions are never this clear and precise, isn't it?

Flankerl · Aug 15, 2017

DavidFirth said:
I'm sure glad we don't share the same covenant. The new covenant is far better than the old covenant.

Good for you or whatever.

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