The prophets tell us that THE SCRIBES HAD CHANGED THE GOD'S LAW

metis · May 2, 2017

Muffled said:
I believe you lack understanding of what that means.

Muffled said:
I have never seen a statement that says the law is perpetual which would mean in force.

Deuteronomy 4:2: "your G-d…shall not add to what I have commanded you or subtract."

Dt. 13(1): "You shall be careful to observe, neither adding to it or subtracting."

Dt. 13(5): "His commandment you shall observe, holding fast to Him alone."

Dt. 29(28): "Concerns us and our descendents forever, that we may carry out all the words of this Law."

Joshua 1(5): "I will not leave or forsake you…(7) observe the entire Law … do not swerve from it."

Psalms 19(8): "The Law of the Lord is perfect… (10) the ordinances of the Lord are true; all of them are just."

Ps. 119(160): "permanence is Your words chief trait, each of Your just ordinances is everlasting."

Isaiah 42(21): "pleased the Lord in His justice to make His Law great and glorious."

Is. 66(17): "they who eat swine’s flesh … shall all perish."

Baruch 4(1): "the Law endures forever."

Porque77 · Aug 13, 2017

Muffled said:
I believe that is not the Gospel of Jesus or of Paul so it must be the gospel of Porque although the last part sounds like the gospel of Marx.

The Gospel teaches what I am saying. You can see it in the Gospel.

The true Law of God are the commandments that Jesus Christ teaches us in the Gospel. And this is the Law that Jesus taught and complied. Jesus did not keep the Old Testament precepts that commanded men to do harm and to kill people.

Jesus abolished the commandment that commanded men to apply an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, because Jesus said "whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also," then no man should injure or kill other men. Therefore, the "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth" was annulled by Jesus:

"You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also, and whosoever want to get to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your coat also, and whosoever shall compel thee to go one mile, go with him twain. Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away" (Matthew 5:...)

Jesus, with his teachings and his own example, annulled the Old Testament laws that commanded men to do harm and to kill people, because Jesus, when the Jews brought before him a woman accused of adultery, said to throw the first stone against the woman any man who had never sinned. Let's see:

"But when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. And again he stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground. And they, when they heard it, went out one by one, beginning from the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman, where she was, in the midst". (Juan 8:3-12)

As you see, Jesus said: "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her". So no man should kill other men, and nor no man should have killed other men in any age, for all men are sinners.

And Jesus, who is the only one free from sin, did not condemn the woman either:

"And Jesus lifted up himself, and said unto her, Woman, where are they? did no man condemn thee? And she said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said, Neither do I condemn thee: go thy way; from henceforth sin no more". (Juan 8:3-12)

You must understand that Jesus, with his teachings and his own example, annulled the Old Testament laws that commanded men to kill people, since Jesus abolished from the old testament all the commandments that were not true Law of God, but precepts of men, because Jesus did not come to abolish the true Law of God.

The Law that Jesus came not to abolish is the Law of the Gospel

The Law that Jesus came not to abolish, from which shall pass not one jot or one tittle, is the Law of the Gospel, which is the true Law of God. But Jesus Christ abolished many commandments of the Old Testament (Matthew 5:31-48, Matthew 12:1-8, John 5:8-11, John 5:16-18, John 8:3-11 and the whole context of the Gospel). And He abolished them because weren't God's commandments, but precepts of men.

The Gospel says: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets.... one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law" (Matthew 5:17-20) .

In these words are based many religions to tell us that Jesus Christ came not to abolish the commandments of the Old Testament, but that is a mistake because these gospel words do not refer to the law of the Old Testament, because Jesus Christ abolished many commandments of the Old Testament, as we see in Matthew 5: 21-48 and other parts of the Gospel.

The words of Jesus Christ in this famous verse (Matthew 5: 17), which tells us that He did not come to abolish the Law and the Prophets, refers to the true Law of God, which is the Law that Jesus Christ himself taught us in the Gospel. Jesus Christ teaches that the law and the prophets that He did not come to abolish is the following:

"All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets" (Matthew 7: 12) .

Therefore, this is the law that God gave to Israel because Jesus Christ himself says that "this is the law and the prophets". This is the law that remains in effect, that Jesus Christ came not to abolish ("Think not that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets"). And of this law did pass "not one jot not one tittle", of the Law that Jesus Christ teaches us in the Gospel and that is the true Law that God gave to Moses.

Muffled · Aug 15, 2017

metis said:
Deuteronomy 4:2: "your G-d…shall not add to what I have commanded you or subtract."

Dt. 13(1): "You shall be careful to observe, neither adding to it or subtracting."

Dt. 13(5): "His commandment you shall observe, holding fast to Him alone."

Dt. 29(28): "Concerns us and our descendents forever, that we may carry out all the words of this Law."

Joshua 1(5): "I will not leave or forsake you…(7) observe the entire Law … do not swerve from it."

Psalms 19(8): "The Law of the Lord is perfect… (10) the ordinances of the Lord are true; all of them are just."

Ps. 119(160): "permanence is Your words chief trait, each of Your just ordinances is everlasting."

Isaiah 42(21): "pleased the Lord in His justice to make His Law great and glorious."

Is. 66(17): "they who eat swine’s flesh … shall all perish."

Baruch 4(1): "the Law endures forever."

I believe I still haven't seen any.

Porque77 · Aug 19, 2017

metis said:
Deuteronomy 4:2: "your G-d…shall not add to what I have commanded you or subtract."........

Muffled said:
I believe I still haven't seen any.

And who did add to the law the sacrifices that God had not commanded?

The scriptures tell us that God did not want sacrifices and did not command sacrifices:

"Sacrifice and offering thou hast no delight in; Mine ears hast thou opened: Burnt-offering and sin-offering hast thou not required" (Psalm 40:6).

Hosea tells us: "for faithful love is what pleases me, not sacrifice; knowledge of God, not burnt offerings" (Hosea 6: 6).

Jesus also tells us: "And if you had known what this means, 'I desire mercy, and not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the guiltless"(Matthew 12: 7).

metis · Aug 19, 2017

Porque77 said:
And who did add to the law the sacrifices that God had not commanded?

The scriptures tell us that God did not want sacrifices and did not command sacrifices:

Here:
Sacrifices and Offerings

To sanctify the firstling of clean cattle and offer it up (Ex. 13:2; Deut. 15:19) (at the present time, it is not offered up) (CCA53).
To slay the Paschal lamb (Ex. 12:6) (affirmative).
To eat the flesh of the Paschal sacrifice on the night of the fifteenth of Nissan (Ex. 12:8) (affirmative).
Not to eat the flesh of the Paschal lamb raw or sodden (Ex. 12:9) (negative).
Not to leave any portion of the flesh of the Paschal sacrifice until the morning unconsumed (Ex. 12:10) (negative).
Not to give the flesh of the Paschal lamb to an Israelite who had become an apostate (Ex. 12:43) (negative).
Not to give flesh of the Paschal lamb to a stranger who lives among you to eat (Ex. 12:45) (negative).
Not to take any of the flesh of the Paschal lamb from the company's place of assembly (Ex. 12:46) (negative).
Not to break a bone of the Paschal lamb (Ex. 12:46) (negative).
That the uncircumcised shall not eat of the flesh of the Paschal lamb (Ex. 12:48) (negative). See Brit Milah: Circumcision
Not to slaughter the Paschal lamb while there is chametz in the home (Ex. 23:18; Ex. 24:25) (negative).
Not to leave the part of the Paschal lamb that should be burnt on the altar until the morning, when it will no longer be fit to be burnt (Ex. 23:18; Ex. 24:25) (negative).
Not to go up to the Sanctuary for the festival without bringing an offering (Ex. 23:15) (negative).
To bring the first fruits to the Sanctuary (Ex. 23:19) (affirmative).
That the flesh of a sin-offering and guilt-offering shall be eaten (Ex. 29:33) (affirmative). See Qorbanot: Sacrifices and Offerings
That one not of the seed of Aaron, shall not eat the flesh of the holy sacrifices (Ex. 29:33) (negative).
To observe the procedure of the burnt-offering (Lev. 1:3) (affirmative). See Olah: Burnt Offering.
To observe the procedure of the meal-offering (Lev. 2:1) (affirmative). See Food and Drink Offerings.
Not to offer up leaven or honey (Lev. 2:11) (negative).
That every sacrifice be salted (Lev. 2:13) (affirmative).
Not to offer up any offering unsalted (Lev. 2:13) (negative).
That the Court of Judgment shall offer up a sacrifice if they have erred in a judicial pronouncement (Lev. 4:13) (affirmative).
That an individual shall bring a sin-offering if he has sinned in error by committing a transgression, the conscious violation of which is punished with excision (Lev. 4:27-28) (affirmative). SeeChatat: Sin Offering.
To offer a sacrifice of varying value in accordance with one's means (Lev. 5:7) (affirmative).
Not to sever completely the head of a fowl brought as a sin-offering (Lev. 5:8) (negative).
Not to put olive oil in a sin-offering made of flour (Lev. 5:11) (negative).
Not to put frankincense on a sin-offering made of flour (Lev. 5:11) (negative).
That an individual shall bring an offering if he is in doubt as to whether he has committed a sin for which one has to bring a sin-offering. This is called a guilt-offering for doubtful sins (Lev. 5:17-19) (affirmative). See Asham: Guilt Offering.
That the remainder of the meal offerings shall be eaten (Lev. 6:9) (affirmative).
Not to allow the remainder of the meal offerings to become leavened (Lev. 6:10) (negative).
That the High Kohein shall offer a meal offering daily (Lev. 6:13) (affirmative).
Not to eat of the meal offering brought by the kohanim (Lev. 6:16) (negative).
To observe the procedure of the sin-offering (Lev. 6:18) (affirmative). See Chatat: Sin Offering.
Not to eat of the flesh of sin offerings, the blood of which is brought within the Sanctuary and sprinkled towards the Veil (Lev. 6:23) (negative).
To observe the procedure of the guilt-offering (Lev. 7:1) (affirmative).See Asham: Guilt Offering.
To observe the procedure of the peace-offering (Lev. 7:11) (affirmative). See Zebach Sh'lamim: Peace Offering.
To burn meat of the holy sacrifice that has remained over (Lev. 7:17) (affirmative).
Not to eat of sacrifices that are eaten beyond the appointed time for eating them (Lev. 7:18) The penalty is excision (negative).
Not to eat of holy things that have become unclean (Lev. 7:19) (negative).
To burn meat of the holy sacrifice that has become unclean (Lev. 7:19) (affirmative).
That a person who is unclean shall not eat of things that are holy (Lev. 7:20) (negative).
A kohein's daughter who profaned herself shall not eat of the holy things, neither of the heave offering nor of the breast, nor of the shoulder of peace offerings (Lev. 10:14, Lev. 22:12) (negative). See Kohein.
That a woman after childbirth shall bring an offering when she is clean (Lev. 12:6) (affirmative). See Birth.
That the leper shall bring a sacrifice after he is cleansed (Lev. 14:10) (affirmative).
That a man having an issue shall bring a sacrifice after he is cleansed of his issue (Lev. 15:13-15) (affirmative).
That a woman having an issue shall bring a sacrifice after she is cleansed of her issue (Lev. 15:28-30) (affirmative).
To observe, on Yom Kippur, the service appointed for that day, regarding the sacrifice, confessions, sending away of the scapegoat, etc. (Lev. 16:3-34) (affirmative).
Not to slaughter beasts set apart for sacrifices outside (the Sanctuary) (Lev. 17:3-4) (negative).
Not to eat flesh of a sacrifice that has been left over (beyond the time appointed for its consumption) (Lev. 19:8 ) (negative).
Not to sanctify blemished cattle for sacrifice on the altar (Lev. 22:20) This text prohibits such beasts being set apart for sacrifice on the altar (negative).
That every animal offered up shall be without blemish (Lev. 22:21) (affirmative).
Not to inflict a blemish on cattle set apart for sacrifice (Lev. 22:21) (negative).
Not to slaughter blemished cattle as sacrifices (Lev. 22:22) (negative).
Not to burn the limbs of blemished cattle upon the altar (Lev. 22:22) (negative).
Not to sprinkle the blood of blemished cattle upon the altar (Lev. 22:24) (negative).
Not to offer up a blemished beast that comes from non-Israelites (Lev. 22:25) (negative).
That sacrifices of cattle can only take place when they are at least eight days old (Lev. 22:27) (affirmative).
Not to leave any flesh of the thanksgiving offering until the morning (Lev. 22:30) (negative)

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metis · Aug 19, 2017

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Not to sanctify blemished cattle for sacrifice on the altar (Lev. 22:20) This text prohibits such beasts being set apart for sacrifice on the altar (negative).
That every animal offered up shall be without blemish (Lev. 22:21) (affirmative).
Not to inflict a blemish on cattle set apart for sacrifice (Lev. 22:21) (negative).
Not to slaughter blemished cattle as sacrifices (Lev. 22:22) (negative).
Not to burn the limbs of blemished cattle upon the altar (Lev. 22:22) (negative).
Not to sprinkle the blood of blemished cattle upon the altar (Lev. 22:24) (negative).
Not to offer up a blemished beast that comes from non-Israelites (Lev. 22:25) (negative).
That sacrifices of cattle can only take place when they are at least eight days old (Lev. 22:27) (affirmative).
Not to leave any flesh of the thanksgiving offering until the morning (Lev. 22:30) (negative).
To offer up the meal-offering of the Omer on the morrow after the first day of Passover, together with one lamb (Lev. 23:10) (affirmative). See The Counting of the Omer.
Not to eat bread made of new grain before the Omer of barley has been offered up on the second day of Passover (Lev. 23:14) (CCN101). See The Counting of the Omer.
Not to eat roasted grain of the new produce before that time (Lev. 23:14) (CCN102). See The Counting of the Omer.
Not to eat fresh ears of the new grain before that time (Lev. 23:14) (CCN103). See The Counting of the Omer.
To bring on Shavu'ot loaves of bread together with the sacrifices which are then offered up in connection with the loaves (Lev. 23:17-20) (affirmative).
To offer up an additional sacrifice on Passover (Lev. 23:36) (affirmative).
That one who vows to the L-rd the monetary value of a person shall pay the amount appointed in the Scriptural portion (Lev. 27:2-8) (affirmative).
If a beast is exchanged for one that had been set apart as an offering, both become sacred (Lev. 27:10) (affirmative).
Not to exchange a beast set aside for sacrifice (Lev. 27:10) (negative).
That one who vows to the L-rd the monetary value of an unclean beast shall pay its value (Lev. 27:11-13) (affirmative).
That one who vows the value of his house shall pay according to the appraisal of the kohein (Lev. 27:11-13) (affirmative). See Kohein.
That one who sanctifies to the L-rd a portion of his field shall pay according to the estimation appointed in the Scriptural portion (Lev. 27:16-24) (affirmative).
Not to transfer a beast set apart for sacrifice from one class of sacrifices to another (Lev. 27:26) (negative).
To decide in regard to dedicated property as to which is sacred to the Lord and which belongs to the kohein (Lev. 27:28) (affirmative). See Kohein.
Not to sell a field devoted to the Lord (Lev. 27:28) (negative).
Not to redeem a field devoted to the Lord (Lev. 27:28) (negative).
To make confession before the L-rd of any sin that one has committed, when bringing a sacrifice and at other times (Num. 5:6-7) (CCA33).
Not to put olive oil in the meal-offering of a woman suspected of adultery (Num. 5:15) (negative).
Not to put frankincense on it (Num. 5:15) (negative).
To offer up the regular sacrifices daily (two lambs as burnt offerings) (Num. 28:3) (affirmative).
To offer up an additional sacrifice every Shabbat (two lambs) (Num. 28:9) (affirmative).
To offer up an additional sacrifice every New Moon (Num. 28:11) (affirmative).
To bring an additional offering on Shavu'ot (Num. 28:26-27) (affirmative).
To offer up an additional sacrifice on Rosh Hashanah (Num. 29:1-6) (affirmative).
To offer up an additional sacrifice on Yom Kippur (Num. 29:7-8) (affirmative).
To offer up an additional sacrifice on Sukkot (Num. 29:12-34) (affirmative).
To offer up an additional offering on Shemini Atzeret, which is a festival by itself (Num. 29:35-38) (affirmative).
To bring all offerings, whether obligatory or freewill, on the first festival after these were incurred (Deut. 12:5-6) (affirmative).
Not to offer up sacrifices outside (the Sanctuary) (Deut. 12:13) (negative).
To offer all sacrifices in the Sanctuary (Deut. 12:14) (affirmative).
To redeem cattle set apart for sacrifices that contracted disqualifying blemishes, after which they may be eaten by anyone. (Deut. 12:15) (affirmative).
Not to eat of the unblemished firstling outside Jerusalem (Deut. 12:17) (negative).
Not to eat the flesh of the burnt-offering (Deut. 12:17). This is a Prohibition applying to every trespasser, not to enjoy any of the holy things. If he does so, he commits a trespass (negative).
That the kohanim shall not eat the flesh of the sin-offering or guilt-offering outside the Courtyard (of the Sanctuary) (Deut. 12:17) (negative).
Not to eat of the flesh of the sacrifices that are holy in a minor degree, before the blood has been sprinkled (on the altar), (Deut. 12:17) (negative).
That the kohein shall not eat the first-fruits before they are set down in the Courtyard (of the Sanctuary) (Deut. 12:17) (negative).
To take trouble to bring sacrifices to the Sanctuary from places outside the land of Israel (Deut. 12:26) (affirmative).
Not to eat the flesh of beasts set apart as sacrifices, that have been rendered unfit to be offered up by deliberately inflicted blemish (Deut. 14:3) (negative).
Not to do work with cattle set apart for sacrifice (Deut. 15:19) (negative).
Not to shear beasts set apart for sacrifice (Deut. 15:19) (negative).
Not to leave any portion of the festival offering brought on the fourteenth of Nissan unto the third day (Deut. 16:4) (negative).
Not to offer up a beast that has a temporary blemish (Deut. 17:1) (negative).
Not to bring sacrifices out of the hire of a harlot or price of a dog (apparently a euphemism for sodomy) (Deut. 23:19) (negative).
To read the portion prescribed on bringing the first fruits (Deut. 26:5-10) (affirmative).

Porque77 · Sep 1, 2017

Porque77 said:
And who did add to the law the sacrifices that God had not commanded?

The scriptures tell us that God did not want sacrifices and did not command sacrifices:

"Sacrifice and offering thou hast no delight in; Mine ears hast thou opened: Burnt-offering and sin-offering hast thou not required" (Psalm 40:6).

Hosea tells us: "for faithful love is what pleases me, not sacrifice; knowledge of God, not burnt offerings" (Hosea 6: 6).

Jesus also tells us: "And if you had known what this means, 'I desire mercy, and not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the guiltless"(Matthew 12: 7).

metis said:
Here:
Sacrifices and Offerings

To sanctify the firstling of clean cattle and offer it up (Ex. 13:2; Deut. 15:19) (at the present time, it is not offered up) (CCA53).

To slay the Paschal lamb (Ex. 12:6) (affirmative).

To eat the flesh of the Paschal sacrifice on the night of the fifteenth of Nissan (Ex. 12:8) (affirmative)............

The sacrificial laws written in the Old Testament contradict Jesus Christ, the prophets, and the apostles, who said that God did not want sacrifices and had not commanded sacrifices:
In the five books called of Moses there are many chapters dedicated sacrifices and holocausts. Only in Leviticus there are 10 chapters in a row dedicated to the sacrifices and burnt offerings, written like if were word of God. However the prophets say that God didn't command sacrifices:

"Thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel: "Add your burnt offerings to your sacrifices, and eat the flesh. For in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, I did not speak to your fathers or command them concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices". (Jeremiah 7:21-22).

"To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats. When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?" (Isaiah 1: 11-12).

"Sacrifice and offering thou hast no delight in; Mine ears hast thou opened: Burnt-offering and sin-offering hast thou not required" (Psalm 40:6).

Hosea tells us: "for faithful love is what pleases me, not sacrifice; knowledge of God, not burnt offerings" (Hosea 6: 6).

Jesus also tells us: "And if you had known what this means, 'I desire mercy, and not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the guiltless" (Matthew 12: 7).

And the letter to the Hebrews also says:

"Consequently, when Christ came into the world, he said, "Sacrifices and offerings thou hast not desired, but a body hast thou prepared for me; in burnt offerings and sin offerings thou hast taken no pleasure. Then I said, 'Lo, I have come to do thy will, O God,' as it is written of me in the roll of the book." When he said above, "Thou hast neither desired nor taken pleasure in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings" (these are offered according to the law)" (Hebrews 10: 5-10).

You see what a contradiction is found here between these earlier texts and laws on the sacrifices of the Old Testament, for there are whole chapters dedicated to sacrifices and burnt offerings, saying that God had commanded, however, the prophets tell us that God did not command sacrifices..., Jesus tells us that God does not want sacrifices... and the letter to the Hebrews says: "Thou hast neither desired nor taken pleasure in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings" (these are offered according to the law)".

metis · Sep 2, 2017

Porque77 said:
The sacrificial laws written in the Old Testament contradict Jesus Christ, the prophets, and the apostles, who said that God did not want sacrifices and had not commanded sacrifices:

The sacrificial Laws are only a fraction of the 613 Commandments [ Judaism 101: A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments) ] Moses said came from God, so if you feel they should be ignored, then you might as well ignore the rest of the Law, including the Ten Commandments.

Muffled · Sep 5, 2017

Porque77 said:
And who did add to the law the sacrifices that God had not commanded?

The scriptures tell us that God did not want sacrifices and did not command sacrifices:

"Sacrifice and offering thou hast no delight in; Mine ears hast thou opened: Burnt-offering and sin-offering hast thou not required" (Psalm 40:6).

Hosea tells us: "for faithful love is what pleases me, not sacrifice; knowledge of God, not burnt offerings" (Hosea 6: 6).

Jesus also tells us: "And if you had known what this means, 'I desire mercy, and not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the guiltless"(Matthew 12: 7).

I don't believe I know of anyone except these two:
Lev 10:1 ¶ And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the LORD, which he commanded them not.
2 And there went out fire from the LORD, and devoured them, and they died before the LORD.

Porque77 · Sep 18, 2017

metis said:
The sacrificial Laws are only a fraction of the 613 Commandments ..... .

I see you do not understand what I am saying. I don't speake only about sacrificies. Jesus annuled many Old Testament commandments because they were not the commandments of God but precepts of men.

You must understand that the Law that God really gave Moses are the commandments that Jesus Christ taught us in the Gospel, not all the commandments that are written in the Old Testament, because in the Old Testament there are written many commandments that are only precepts of men, because the Law of God was changed by the scribes, as the prophets tell us:

"...but my people know not the ordinance of the LORD. "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie". (Jeremiah 8:7-8)

"Woe to those who give wicked laws and scribes who write tyrannical prescriptions to set aside the poor and violate the rights of the underdog of my people, to rob widows and orphans" (Isaiah 10.1 -2)

"And the land is defiled under its inhabitants, because they have transgressed the laws, changed the commandments, broken the everlasting covenant" (Isaiah 24: 5-6).

Jesus teaches that the eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth should not be applied in any way, because He says that to anyone who strikes you on one cheek, you must also turn the othe cheek. Then Jesus abolished the commandment that commanded men to apply an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, because Jesus said "whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also," then no man should injure or kill other men. Therefore, the "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth" was annulled by Jesus:

"You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also, and whosoever want to get to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your coat also, and whosoever shall compel thee to go one mile, go with him twain. Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away" (Matthew 5:...)

The Law that God really gave to Moses are the commandments that Jesus Christ taught us in the Gospel, not the commandments that are written in the Old Testament that were annuled by Jesus. And the commandments that Jesus taught in the Gospel are the commandments that Jesus fulfilled and obeyed, for Jesus did not obey the Old Testament commandments that commanded men to do harm and kill people. For example, Jesus did not obey the law that he commanded to kill to stones the woman that the Jews brought before Jesus. Jesus said:

"But when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. And again he stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground. And they, when they heard it, went out one by one, beginning from the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman, where she was, in the midst". (Juan 8:3-12)

As you see, Jesus said: " He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her". So no man should kill other men, and nor no man should have killed other men in any age, for all men are sinners.

And Jesus, who is the only one free from sin, did not condemn the woman either:

"And Jesus lifted up himself, and said unto her, Woman, where are they? did no man condemn thee? And she said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said, Neither do I condemn thee: go thy way; from henceforth sin no more". (Juan 8:3-12)

You must understand that Jesus, with his teachings and his own example, annulled the Old Testament laws that commanded men to kill people, since Jesus abolished from the old testament all the commandments that were not true Law of God, but precepts of men, because Jesus did not come to abolish the true Law of God.

The Law that Jesus came not to abolish, from which shall pass not one jot or one tittle, is the Law of the Gospel, which is the true Law of God. But Jesus Christ abolished many commandments of the Old Testament (Matthew 5:31-48, Matthew 12:1-8, John 5:8-11, John 5:16-18, John 8:3-11 and the whole context of the Gospel). And He abolished them because weren't God's commandments, but precepts of men.

The Gospel says: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets.... one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law" (Matthew 5:17-20) .

In these words are based many religions to tell us that Jesus Christ came not to abolish the commandments of the Old Testament, but that is a mistake because these gospel words do not refer to the law of the Old Testament, because Jesus Christ abolished many commandments of the Old Testament, as we see in Matthew 5: 21-48 and other parts of the Gospel.

The words of Jesus Christ in this famous verse (Matthew 5: 17), which tells us that He did not come to abolish the Law and the Prophets, refers to the true Law of God, which is the Law that Jesus Christ himself taught us in the Gospel. Jesus Christ teaches that the law and the prophets that He did not come to abolish is the following:

"All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets" (Matthew 7: 12) .

Therefore, this is the law that God gave to Israel because Jesus Christ himself says that "this is the law and the prophets". This is the law that remains in effect, that Jesus Christ came not to abolish ("Think not that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets"). And of this law did pass "not one jot not one tittle", of the Law that Jesus Christ teaches us in the Gospel and that is the true Law that God gave to Moses.

Muffled · Sep 19, 2017

Porque said "I see you do not understand what I am saying. I don't speake only about sacrificies. Jesus annuled many Old Testament commandments because they were not the commandments of God but precepts of men."

I believe there is no evidence to support that view.

Porque77 · Oct 9, 2017

Muffled said:
Porque said "I see you do not understand what I am saying. I don't speake only about sacrificies. Jesus annuled many Old Testament commandments because they were not the commandments of God but precepts of men."

I believe there is no evidence to support that view.

The proofs are the Gospel itself, for, as you saw in the previous answer, Jesus abolished many of the Old Testament commandments when He said that He had not come to abolish the Law of God. Thus, all the commandments that Jesus abolished from the Old Testament were not commandments of God but precepts of men.

Shaul · Oct 10, 2017

nazz said:
That is not true at all. The Oral Torah does not and neither does much rabbinical law.

Golly, Jesus taught that the Oral Law was truth. "Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 'The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat; therefore, do whatever they teach you and follow it'". The Pharisees taught both the Written and Oral Law.

Not only that, but Jesus himself followed the Oral Law. "Then came the Festival of Dedication at Jerusalem. It was winter, and Jesus was in the temple courts walking in Solomon’s Colonnade." The "Festival of Dedication" is Hannukah, which found only in the Oral Law, and Jesus observed and followed it.

Porque77 · Nov 10, 2017

Shaul said:
Golly, Jesus taught that the Oral Law was truth. "Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 'The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat; therefore, do whatever they teach you and follow it'". The Pharisees taught both the Written and Oral Law.

The Law that Jesus taught are the commandments that the Gospel teaches us, which are the commandments that Jesus commanded to keep because these commandments are the true God's Law.

Porque77 · Nov 10, 2017

Muffled said:
Porque said "I see you do not understand what I am saying. I don't speake only about sacrificies. Jesus annuled many Old Testament commandments because they were not the commandments of God but precepts of men."

I believe there is no evidence to support that view.

The evidence that many Old Testament commandments were not the commandments of God but precepts of men, is that Jesus annulled many of those commandments when Jesus did not come to abolish the God's Law.

The Gospel says: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets.... one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law" (Matthew 5:17-20) .

In these words are based many religions to tell us that Jesus Christ came not to abolish the commandments of the Old Testament, but that is a mistake because these gospel words do not refer to the law of the Old Testament, because Jesus Christ abolished many commandments of the Old Testament, as we see in Matthew 5: 21-48 and other parts of the Gospel.

The words of Jesus Christ in this famous verse (Matthew 5: 17), which tells us that He did not come to abolish the Law and the Prophets, refers to the true Law of God, which is the Law that Jesus Christ himself taught us in the Gospel. Jesus Christ teaches that the law and the prophets that He did not come to abolish is the following:

"All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets" (Matthew 7: 12) .

Therefore, this is the law that God gave to Israel because Jesus Christ himself says that "this is the law and the prophets". This is the law that remains in effect, that Jesus Christ came not to abolish ("Think not that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets"). And of this law did pass "not one jot not one tittle", of the Law that Jesus Christ teaches us in the Gospel and that is the true Law that God gave to Moses.

Now I also remember the Law of Jesus Christ expressed in commandments, as the Gospel teaches:

"And behold, one came to him and said, Teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why askest thou me concerning that which is good? One there is who is good: but if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sorrowful; for he was one that had great possessions" (Matthew 19: 16-22

And this law and these commandments are in effect for all peoples.

However, no one is under the laws of the Old Testament that were abolished by Jesus Christ, because those laws were not true Law of God. We are all under the Law and the commandments of Christ, which are the only true Law of God.

Porque77 · Nov 12, 2017

Ben Avraham said:
When Jesus said to listen to "Moses" aka the Law, his reference was to the Decalogue. Any other commandments which you consider precepts of men were commandments for the Jews, not for the Gentiles. So, you have nothing to worry about.......

The Ten Commandments of the Old Testament are not equal to the commandments that teach us the gospel, there are big differences. The 10 Commandments of the Old Testament's laws, about slaves, say:

"Thou shalt not desire thy neighbour's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field or his manslave or his maidslave, his ox or his *** or any thing that is thy neighbour's" (Deutoro. 5: 21).

This commandment is contrary to the teachings of Jesus Christ in the Gospel. Jesus Christ said to a man who had great wealth:

"Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go, sell that thou hast, and give it to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven, and come, and follow me" (Matthew 19: 16-22)

According to the Old Testament commandment, I should not desire anything from my neighbor although I do not have anything, and my neighbor can wish all things what have their neighbors, and even their lives, taking them as slaves ... This commandment is a contradiction in itself and completely contradicts what Jesus says in the Gospel: "You will love your neighbor as yourself".

And on the other hand is not equal say to those living in poverty they not should desire anything from those with great wealth than tell those who have great wealth sell all what they have and give all what they have to the poor. And this is the great difference between the commandments of the Old Testament and the commandments of the Gospel.

Porque77 · Jan 31, 2018

Porque77 said:
The Ten Commandments of the Old Testament are not equal to the commandments that teach us the gospel, there are big differences. The 10 Commandments of the Old Testament's laws, about slaves, say:

"Thou shalt not desire thy neighbour's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field or his manslave or his maidslave, his ox or his *** or any thing that is thy neighbour's" (Deutoro. 5: 21).

This commandment is contrary to the teachings of Jesus Christ in the Gospel. Jesus Christ said to a man who had great wealth:

"Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go, sell that thou hast, and give it to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven, and come, and follow me" (Matthew 19: 16-22)

According to the Old Testament commandment, I should not desire anything from my neighbor although I do not have anything, and my neighbor can wish all things what have their neighbors, and even their lives, taking them as slaves ... This commandment is a contradiction in itself and completely contradicts what Jesus says in the Gospel: "You will love your neighbor as yourself".

And on the other hand is not equal say to those living in poverty they not should desire anything from those with great wealth than tell those who have great wealth sell all what they have and give all what they have to the poor. And this is the great difference between the commandments of the Old Testament and the commandments of the Gospel.

Do you see it? The Ten Commandments of the Old Testament are not equal to the commandments that teach us the gospel, there are big differences

Porque77 · Feb 22, 2018

The law that God gave to Moses is the Law of Christ, which is the only true Law of God given forever and for all men. But many laws that are written in the Old Testament, which allowed men to have slaves and ordered men to make wars, kill people and do sacrifices, are not the true Law that God had given Moses. Those laws were only precepts of men.

Faithofchristian · Feb 26, 2018

Porque77 said:
Dear friends, I have studied the writings of the prophets, and I found several quotes that make me think what happened to God's Law.

The writings of the prophets tell us that God's law was changed.

The prophets tell us that the scribes had changed the God's Law

The Mosaic covenant and law were given by God, but after the years and centuries, the prophets tell us that the scribes changed the law of God. So tell us the prophets:

"... My people know not the judgment of Yahweh. How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Certainly has changed into a lie the lying pen of the scribes" (Jeremiah 8: 7-9).

"Woe to those who give wicked laws and scribes who write tyrannical prescriptions to set aside the poor and violate the rights of the underdog of my people, to rob widows and orphans" (Isaiah 10.1 -2)

"And the land is defiled under its inhabitants, because they have transgressed the laws, changed the commandments, broken the everlasting covenant" (Isaiah 24: 5-6).

"He says, therefore, the Lord: Because this people draw near me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me, and their fear of me is a commandment of men which have been taught" (Isaiah 29.13).

And Jesus Christ, remembering the words of the prophet Isaiah, also told the scribes and Pharisees who were teaching the commandments of men:

"Hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
This people honors me with their lips;
But their heart is far from me.
But in vain they do worship me,
Teaching for doctrines commandments of men" (Matthew 15.7-9

Dear friends, this is what happened, what the prophets tell us: The God's law was changed by the scribes. The Old Testament's law is different to the commandments of Jesus Christ.

First of all who was those Scribes ?
It's evident that they were not Scribes of God's.
Otherwise the Scribes would not tamper or seek to change the law of God's.

To answer your question, about what is written in Matthew 15:7-9. This is when people listen to man's teachings and doctrines and the people goes out teaching to what they have taught by their Pastors, Preachers.

To take this one step further, Christ Jesus said in Matthew 24:5--"For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many"

Therefore when people take what they haved been taught by their Pastors,Preachers, and goes out teaching others, what they were taught, they themselves are being deceived and then they go out deceiving many to what they were taught.

Notice Jesus said "saying, I am Christ and shall deceive many"

Note that Christ is abbreviated for Christian.
Christ = Christian.

Therefore you have many Pastors, Preachers saying they come in the name of Christ.to deceive many, and then the people in return goes out to deceive many.
By what they have been taught.

Therefore it's not the bible that's at fault, but the people who are at fault.

Upon reading Matthew 15:7-9 then read Matthew 24:5 together.

Porque77 · Mar 24, 2018

Porque77 said:
The law that God gave to Moses is the Law of Christ, which is the only true Law of God given forever and for all men. But many laws that are written in the Old Testament, which allowed men to have slaves and ordered men to make wars, kill people and do sacrifices, are not the true Law that God had given Moses. Those laws were only precepts of men.

Faithofchristian said:
....... Therefore you have many Pastors, Preachers saying they come in the name of Christ.to deceive many, and then the people in return goes out to deceive many.
By what they have been taught.

Therefore it's not the bible that's at fault, but the people who are at fault.

You forget that Jesus said he had not come to abolish the Law and the prophets and then abolished the Old Testament commandments that ordered men slavery, sacrifices, "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth" and to kill people for various reasons. Jesus abolished all those commandments that were not merciful, and abolished them because they were only commandments of men, not of God.

The prophets tell us that THE SCRIBES HAD CHANGED THE GOD'S LAW

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