Does your religion support magic and why/why not?

Most religions don't specifically forbid the use of magic, which I never understood because even the ones that don't still use natural magic, might call or pray for angels and so forth.

Does your religion not only allow magic but revel in it? If so, what do you use?

Nope . . . just the opposite, we promote the use of majiq

Theweirdtophat said:

Most religions don't specifically forbid the use of magic, which I never understood because even the ones that don't still use natural magic, might call or pray for angels and so forth.

Does your religion not only allow magic but revel in it? If so, what do you use?

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What do druids believe and study in 21st Century? Do you kind of just go your own way?

Theweirdtophat said:

Most religions don't specifically forbid the use of magic, which I never understood because even the ones that don't still use natural magic, might call or pray for angels and so forth.

Does your religion not only allow magic but revel in it? If so, what do you use?

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How are you defining magic?

SalixIncendium said:

How are you defining magic?

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Well to be specific, the use of magical forces to cause an action. Sometimes magic is sort of a loose term that even miracles could be considered magic by some. Or even Psionics, the ability to use psychic abilities such as levitation among other things.

Witchcraft, Druidry, Alchemy, and so forth among other things, Divination, Mysticism, although mysticism is sometimes not considered a magical practice. I always thought it was the idea of using spiritual power to cause something to happen.

It's mostly Abrahamic religions that frown upon it even though there are Christian mystics and magic users out there too. Some considered it separate from miracles and other things while others think it all amounts to the use of energy in some way shape or form

Theweirdtophat said:

Most religions don't specifically forbid the use of magic, which I never understood because even the ones that don't still use natural magic, might call or pray for angels and so forth.

Does your religion not only allow magic but revel in it? If so, what do you use?

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Do you consider prayer magick?

While I don't call my belief structure "religion" per se, I do, based on your definition, incorporate magic into it. I work with natural energies inherent in crystals and practice Usui Shiki Ryoho reiki. I also utilize what is commonly known as the law of attraction when working toward desired goals. In addition, I have two tarot decks that I use for divination from time to time.

RedDragon94 said:

Do you consider prayer magick?

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I always thought it was in a way. You're asking a divine deity or being for something. Kind of reminds me of invokers invoking gods or conjuring them. The rituals are different but the end result ends up being the same. You're asking a being to grant a request.

Theweirdtophat said:

I always thought it was in a way. You're asking a divine deity or being for something. Kind of reminds me of invokers invoking gods or conjuring them. The rituals are different but the end result ends up being the same. You're asking a being to grant a request.

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*Throws hands up and shrugs* I guess there is one form of magick the Bible permits.

RedDragon94 said:

*Throws hands up and shrugs* I guess there is one form of magick the Bible permits.

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There's holy water and exorcisms too. Of course Christianity isn't the first to do that, but if that's not considered a form of magic, I don't know what is.

I consider it all a way of using energy. Some are more partial to praying to deities, even abstract ones others wish to pray more, use natural magic, herbs and crystals. There's so much more to it than just casting spells.

Yes, both seiðr and galdr.

Yes. Satanism and Paganism both allow magic workings. Sometimes it might even be encouraged.

Theweirdtophat said:

...It's mostly Abrahamic religions that frown upon it even though there are Christian mystics and magic users out there too. Some considered it separate from miracles and other things while others think it all amounts to the use of energy in some way shape or form

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There is lots of magic going on in the Bible. Joseph says he is a Sorcerer.

Moses and Aaron had a MAGIC WAND. It turned into a snake in Exodus: 4:3, and in 7: 8-13 they have a magic match with Pharaohs magicians, whom do the same spell producing snakes, but Aaron’s magic was stronger.

Numbers 20: 8 - Take the DIVINING ROD and gather thou the assembly together, thou, and Aaron thy brother, and speak POWER WORDS (dabar 1696 &1697) unto the rocks before their eyes; and it shall give forth his water,…

Serpent magic with magic wands/rods - Exodus 7:8-12

Turn water into blood with a magic wand – Exodus 7:19-21

Strike a rock with magic wand (also power words, dabar) and bring forth water - Numbers 20:8-10

In fact all of these in the Exodus story are done with Magic wands and power words.

In Genesis 30: 37 – 41 Jacob is using the magic rods for fertility magic.

38 – And he set the rods which he had pilled before the flocks in the gutters in the watering troughs when the flocks came to drink, that they should conceive when they came to drink.

They tossed lots, - like Runes, - to get answers.

Magic consulting stones – Exo 28:30, Numbers 27:21 & Samuel 28:6, etc.

Casting Lots (like RUNES) Numbers 26:55, Proverbs 16:33, Proverbs 18:18, Jonah 1:7, Acts 1:26, Luke 1:9, etc.

Elisha uses Cursing magic to make bears eat kids - 2 Kings 2:23-24


In one of the New Testament's best examples of magic healing, Paul sent special magic handkerchiefs among the people to heal (Acts
19:12).

We have, - in museums, - surviving spell bowls used by early Christians, including cursing bowls.

Christians were/are using Jesus' name for magic/miracles.

The Hebrew actually called Jesus an Egyptian Sorcerer.

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It does and it does not.

I, 22. Charm against jaundice and related diseases.
1. Up to the sun shall go thy heart-ache and thy jaundice: in the colour of the red bull do we envelop thee!
2. We envelop thee in red tints, unto long life. May this person go unscathed, and be free of vellow colour!
3. The cows whose divinity is Rohini, they who, moreover, axe (themselves) red (róhinin)-(in their) every form and every strength we do envelop thee.
4. Into the parrots, into the ropanâkâs (thrush) do we put thy jaundice, and, furthermore, into the hâridravas (yellow wagtail) do we put thy jaundice.
Atharva Veda: I. Charms to Cure Diseases and Possession by Demons of Disease (Bhaishagykni): I, 22. Charm against jaundice and related diseases
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"There is no 'dharma' other than truth."

Completely forbidden in Islam including wearing amulets and charms. Magic was introduced in ancient Babylon by two entities, some say they were Jinn, others say they were Angels who introduced it as a test for mankind. Those who learn spiritual magic often do so by falling into disbelief, and so believers are told to stay clear, even if some magic can be used for good.

It doesn't forbid it because it's a natural religion and not a dogmatic one. There are several gods who are seen as deities having dominion over magic/witchcraft/sorcery.

DavidFirth said:

What do druids believe and study in 21st Century? Do you kind of just go your own way?

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Given these paths are non-dogmatic and non-creedal, yeah, it's pretty much "go your own way." There are various orders that facilitate a particular style of practice, and while some might argue membership in such an order is required to be a "proper" Druid, others will dismissively waive their hands at such talk.