How are these Great Beings explained?

InvestigateTruth said:

I think this idea that religion x is better for you, and religion y is better for me, is not logical at all.
There is only one human in nature. Thus, only one religion is better for humanity. We just need to be fair, and think which religion has better teachings for all humanity. It is like saying, for a person spoiled food is better, for another person fresh food. Or for a person new cloths are better, for another person old and damaged cloth. That is illogical. That is how religion is. It has a expiry date. When its expiry date is passed, it is like a spoiled food, or expired medicine. It would be like an old and damaged cloth. It is always better to use the fresh food, or the new cloths. So, it is best to investigate which religion is the most recent divinely revealed religion, and what are its evidence that is divinely revealed.

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Its taking out the pessimistic view and saying you love oranges, Vinayaka likes apples, I like grapes, and Frank likes pears. They aren't spoiled. They are just different fruits.

As for only one religion, that is unrealistic. Unless we are clones or you want us to be clones, the best we can do is find greater peace based on our own individual religions. Those religions that can't work as a team, won't work out. Those that can, can work out. It's the choice of the individual: do they want world peace based on humanity's or world peace based on one person's values.

Carlita said:

Homosexuality is a sexual orientation. It refers to attraction. You can engage in same-sex acts and still be heterosexual; you are attracted to opposite sex. Intercourse has nothing to do with it.

The bible talks of sexual perversion not orientation.

Which are you referring to? Someone's sexual orientation or someone's behavior. (Gay or straight-doesnt matter)

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In our community any sort of flagrant sexual immoral behaviour is unacceptable whether homosexual or heterosexual,

As far as orientation goes only the opposite sex can wed.

loverofhumanity said:

In our community any sort of flagrant sexual immoral behaviour is unacceptable whether homosexual or heterosexual,

As far as orientation goes only the opposite sex can wed.

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To wed is an action. Heterosexuals can wed same gender (if they want) just as homosexuals the opposite gender.

What about the sexual orientation itself?

What are Bahai views on attraction (not action and not temptation)?

And is there such thing as LGBTQ which is different than homosexual conduct?

InvestigateTruth said:

I think this idea that religion x is better for you, and religion y is better for me, is not logical at all.
Thus, only one religion is better for humanity. We just need to be fair, and think which religion has better teachings for all humanity.

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And ... obviously to you that one religion is Baha'i'. And you don't see the contradiction? Wow. I thought of an analogy that might work. If you're an electrician, do you think the only profession the world needs is electricians? All people should be electricians? If you're a doctor, should all other people be doctors? To me religion is like occupations. We need enough occupations to keep the world running. Occupations suit the needs of the people. Some people are cut out to be doctors, some aren't etc. So too wuth religions. Some people ar cut out to be Baha'i'. Others aren't.

loverofhumanity said:

No more than Mother Nature.

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Mother Nature accepts them, just as they are. Baha'i' don't. End of story.

loverofhumanity said:

I think it depends on whether the desire to be a Baha'i is greater than the desire to practice homosexuality. A man can't have two masters. He has to choose which one he wants.

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Again, homosexuality isn't a choice, any more than colour of hair is. Baha'i is a choice. A person cannot choose their genetic hair colour, gender, height, God given intelligence, etc. Gay is not a choice, its just part of the natural diversity of man. Think about it. Why in heaven's name would any person CHOOSE to be gay? Would you, as a Baha'i' choose to live in a country where you would be put to death, or face such challenges as the gay community faces, if you said you were Baha'i'.

loverofhumanity said:

So are you saying that unless God gives us everything we want He is not God? That His knowledge and wisdom dont matter and only what we want matters and if He doesn't comply then He's no God?

Funny idea of God.

I understand that God, like a loving Father would not endorse things He, in His Wisdom, deemed harmful and that we would be humble enough to give Him, God, the All Knowing, the benefit of the doubt.

How can we know better than God Who is the Creater, what is best for us?

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My God loves unconditionally. If people do stupid things, and being gay isn't one of them, my God understands it as part of growing up, part of a learning process, and a necessary one. A person cannot learn UNLESS they make mistakes.

loverofhumanity said:

Funny idea of God.

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Yes indeed. As I've been saying all along, our concepts of God from very very very different paradigms. I've never expected Baha'i's to understand Hinduism.

now i want to be homo .

feed me thoughts when im hyper curious.


This chameleon without a spine was created by god for fuel of hell fire.


a meaningless creation who was hell bound from day 1 because of the "mental block"(given by the father)
And for this choice of one life he shall burn for eternity and give warmth to those who ..simply used Jesus as ladder or another mirror and did what the father said, in exchange for creation...father wants surrender , this man must slice his genitals and marry a woman , grow a conviction and worship god/allah/bahu'ullah/ the ONE.

and because he failed to listen he will be burnt / punished.

Thank you father. thank you very much.
the ones who surrender should feel warm with so many failed creations the heaven is fueled for eternity.

Quran & Sunnah : FUEL OF THE HELLFIRE

Carlita said:

It is. You just got to read it as is and participate in it. For example, go to a christian church.

Where does it say Bahaullah in scripture as a prophet (apostle even)?

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"Glory of God" or "Glory of the Lord". Read the Bible knowing that is the English translation of Baha'u'llah.

Then also Show where "Jesus" or "Christ" is shown in the Books of God.

Regards Tony

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:

"Glory of God" or "Glory of the Lord". Read the Bible knowing that is the English translation of Baha'u'llah.

Then also Show where "Jesus" or "Christ" is shown in the Books of God.

Regards Tony

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I know you said years ago bahaullah means glory to god or something. Im not talking about his attributes. Where does the bible mention bahaullah himself to where we know this human person speaks of god instead of going by what his name means and correlating it with the bible that way?

RoaringSilence said:

i cannot impose my personal findings or my personal opinion , however Hinduism gives you the liberty to self explore and find the answers within. i ve found a-x (yz) unknown to me. i discount my findings as possible delusion . so instead of presenting myself as a right one is not the right thing to do at this point.

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In the Long Obligatory prayer, (one of 3 a Baha'i can chose to say each day, there is this section that is said when one is prostrate with forehead on the ground;

"...Praise be unto Thee, O our God, that Thou hast sent down unto us that which draweth us nigh unto Thee, and supplieth us with every good thing sent down by Thee in Thy Books and Thy Scriptures. Protect us, we beseech Thee, O my Lord, from the hosts of idle fancies and vain imaginations. Thou, in truth, art the Mighty, the All-Knowing....."

We are to look for the answers within. In reality none of has right opinions. It is either God sining from within us, or it is us that is speaking.

The heart is what enables what is of God to shine from us instead.if vain imaginings.

Posess a Pure, Kindly and Radiant heart is what we are to achieve.

I enjoyed reading your post.

Regards Tony

Carlita said:

I know you said years ago bahaullah means glory to god or something. Im not talking about his attributes. Where does the bible mention bahaullah himself to where we know this human person speaks of god instead of going by what his name means and correlating it with the bible that way?

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You looked right over what was just said.

One Passage from the Torah will show the point being made, I put the translation in for you.

Ezekiel 43:4The "glory of the LORD" (Baha"u"llah) entered the temple through the "gate" (Bab) facing east (Persia).

This leads to this passage;

Acts 7:55"But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the "glory of God" (Baha'u'llah), and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. ... "

Thus when we read the Bible and it talks about the end of time or the ages. It we see 'Gate' = Bab or 'Glory of God', or 'Glory of the Lord' = Baha'u'llah.

This is the NEW NAME Christ promises He would write upon us.

Regards Tony

I know you said "bahaullah means glory to god or something" and I was right:

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:

"glory of the LORD" (Baha"u"llah)

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What I am saying is find where the person-the human person-is in scripture? Any god "could" not does describe itself as glory etc. Though Bahaullah is not god (nor is Christ, Muhammad, Zoroaster, and The Buddha). Humans are not god; so, by abrahamic view, they cant have the attribute of being gloryness unless they are god.

Muhammad is not in christian scripture either. The Buddha isnt nor is Krishna and Zoroaster and his god.

Where are these people and Bahaullah in jewish and roman scripture?

NOT their characteristics. Love to a christian is different than love to a muslim. Though you do not understand that. This is a simple question. Where is he-as a human-found in scripture? (and in the quran and in the gita)?

Carlita said:

As for only one religion, that is unrealistic. Unless we are clones or you want us to be clones, the best we can do is find greater peace based on our own individual religio

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Vinayaka said:

And ... obviously to you that one religion is Baha'i'. And you don't see the contradiction? Wow.

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This is because it is man still looking for differences instead of our oneness and Unity.

"......With faces beaming with joy, hasten ye unto Him. This is the changeless Faith of God, eternal in the past, eternal in the future. Let him that seeketh, attain it; and as to him that hath refused to seek it—verily, God is Self-Sufficient, above any need of His creatures...."

Bahá'í Reference Library - Proclamation of Bahá’u’lláh, Pages 118-119

Regards Tony

Vinayaka said:

Mother Nature accepts them, just as they are. Baha'i' don't. End of story.

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Consider that is your view and not ours. When has it been said we do not accept who you are and your choices? In fact many a time we have said you are free to be who and what you wish to be.

That we supply answers from the Baha'i Writings that challenge the depth of thought on these matters, does not then say there is no acceptance.

Be well and happy always.

Regards Tony

Carlita said:

Though Bahaullah is not god (nor is Christ, Muhammad, Zoroaster, and The Buddha). Humans are not god; so, by abrahamic view, they cant have the attribute of being gloryness unless they are god.

Muhammad is not in christian scripture either. The Buddha isnt nor is Krishna and Zoroaster and his god.

Where are these people and Bahaullah in jewish and roman scripture?

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They are all we can know of God. They are the Attributes, we will never know the essence of God. This was explained back further in the discussion.

Can the table know the craftsman, can the painting know the Painter....NO. (Essence)

But does the table display the skills of the craftsman and the painting show the beauty of the artist...YES. (Attributes)

Muhammad is Shown in the Bible through Daniel and Revelation.

The others are the Many Other Folds talked about by Christ.

Regards Tony

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:

This is because it is man still looking for differences instead of our oneness and Unity.

"......With faces beaming with joy, hasten ye unto Him. This is the changeless Faith of God, eternal in the past, eternal in the future. Let him that seeketh, attain it; and as to him that hath refused to seek it—verily, God is Self-Sufficient, above any need of His creatures...."

Bahá'í Reference Library - Proclamation of Bahá’u’lláh, Pages 118-119

Regards Tony

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You said posts ago that you can't find differences only similarities. I understand the similarities you talk about and read all bahaullah's quotes about it.

Are you willing to learn about my view (or ours)?

We can't change our views but hopefully, because we differ in views we can learn from each other--if you want to.

Personified attributes?

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:

They are all we can know of God. They are the Attributes, we will never know the essence of God. This was explained back further in the discussion.

Can the table know the craftsman, can the painting know the Painter....NO. (Essence)

But does the table display the skills of the craftsman and the painting show the beauty of the artist...YES. (Attributes)

Muhammad is Shown in the Bible through Daniel and Revelation.

The others are the Many Other Folds talked about by Christ.

Regards Tony

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Correct me if I'm wrong, @Vinayaka, but I feel this is why you are 100 percent incorrect about Krishna. When you meditate (or so have you), you "become" or are interconnected with the attributes of god. They communicate as attributes. I assume Hindu know the difference between a Krishna statue and experience Krishna himself.

God has no personification. Humans personify to relate to them more. Jews don't personify edit god because to do so is making that personification (person or thing) an idol.

Another reason Judaism and Hindu are different than Bahai.

Nothing wrong with that. This is positive.

Stop seeing negativity in differences and you'll respect their beauty more.

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:

This is because it is man still looking for differences instead of our oneness and Unity.

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Differences (diversity) are a blessing. If you don't want to see the positiveness in diversity than how are you learning from us?

I see the positive nature in unity and I disagree with it. When a Christian becomes a Catholic he is part of the body of christ. The unity is only among Catholics not all christians as a whole. I have a problem with that.

Unity-integration (dictionary definition) makes two things one. It makes you and I one person. That means Van Gogh and Michelangelo have the same painting. You do not appreciate their differences only their similarities. People copyright their material so others won't copy their work. In America, we value independence, individuality, and diversity. It's what makes america strong (ideally speaking).

But you don't see that.

I appreciate that flowers are apart of one garden. Raws come from the sun (redundant). Human beings all have spirit. That is beautiful.

I put priority on diversity. It makes you and I unique. The orange flower is not the blue flower. The moon is not the sun. It makes everything beautiful.

But if you don't want to understand our views, what exchange of conversation are you looking for? I'm not debating. Years ago, I just said

1. Read my posts

2. I want to know if you understand

If you don't want to learn fro me and others, than how will you build world peace. (beyond offering it and waiting for us to come around)?