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From Atom to Universe

EnhancedSpirit

EnhancedSpirit

High Priestess
I wasn't sure where to put this, so put it where ever you think is most appropriate . . .

I often talk about how science brought me to believe in God. Here is one of the things, the bible says 'as within, so without. And as below, so above', I think this is sooooo cool, let's compare. . . .

this is an atom
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this is our solar system
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this is our galaxy
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and the universe
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EnhancedSpirit

EnhancedSpirit

High Priestess
There are some that go in between the atom and the solar system, there is the structure of a cell, then family (which is not really a tree but a spider web), and the food web, or how we relate to other species . . .
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Jayhawker Soule

Jayhawker Soule

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EnhancedSpirit said:
I often talk about how science brought me to believe in God. . . . this is an atom

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You really need to get some newer science books. Your current source seems overly bohring ... ;)
 
sparc872

sparc872

Active Member
I would have to disagree with the last picture you showed, that of the universe. The universe is much more blotchy and stringy, not a big mass of galaxies orbiting a center, but a web of galaxies arranged in clusters, local groups, and superclusters spread throughout space.
 
sparc872

sparc872

Active Member
Another thing, looking at galaxies and solar systems, you can predict exactly where an orbiting object will be in a certain amount of time. The same cannot be said for atoms, as electrons move randomly within an electron cloud. At best you can estimate the general location an electron will be, but you cannot pinpoint it.
 
Jayhawker Soule

Jayhawker Soule

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NASA

There is a point here: many (though certainly not all) of those who suggest that science led them to God demonstrate an embarrassingly naive understanding of science.
 
Jayhawker Soule

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
mr.guy said:
At first, i thought i got this one. The Bohr atomic model doesn't have "planetary" orbitals, does it?
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Yes, i.e.,
The Bohr Model is probably familar as the "planetary model" of the atom illustrated in the adjacent figure that, for example, is used as a symbol for atomic energy (a bit of a misnomer, since the energy in "atomic energy" is actually the energy of the nucleus, rather than the entire atom). In the Bohr Model the neutrons and protons (symbolized by red and blue balls in the adjacent image) occupy a dense central region called the nucleus, and the electrons orbit the nucleus much like planets orbiting the Sun (but the orbits are not confined to a plane as is approximately true in the Solar System). The adjacent image is not to scale since in the realistic case the radius of the nucleus is about 100,000 times smaller than the radius of the entire atom, and as far as we can tell electrons are point particles without a physical extent.

This similarity between a planetary model and the Bohr Model of the atom ultimately arises because the attractive gravitational force in a solar system and the attractive Coulomb (electrical) force between the positively charged nucleus and the negatively charged electrons in an atom are mathematically of the same form. (The form is the same, but the intrinsic strength of the Coulomb interaction is much larger than that of the gravitational interaction; in addition, there are positive and negative electrical charges so the Coulomb interaction can be either attractive or repulsive, but gravitation is always attractive in our present Universe.)

- see The Bohr Model
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stemann

stemann

Time Bandit
EnhancedSpirit said:
Here is one of the things, the bible says 'as within, so without. And as below, so above',
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I wasn't going to believe you, and then this:

Ye Olde Bible (Ezekiel 30:6) said:
Thus saith the LORD They also that uphold Egypt shall fall and the pride of her power shall come down from the tower of Syene shall they fall in it by the sword saith the Lord GOD
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AND THEN:

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/8A011621-012F-488D-8666-FA9E46C8BCC3.htm

omg no way. This cannot be a coincidence.
 
EnhancedSpirit

EnhancedSpirit

High Priestess
sparc872 said:
I would have to disagree with the last picture you showed, that of the universe. The universe is much more blotchy and stringy, not a big mass of galaxies orbiting a center, but a web of galaxies arranged in clusters, local groups, and superclusters spread throughout space.
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Atoms and cells can be more blotchy and stringy as well, not all nice and neat like the models show. Pictures of actual cells look just like the image you posted.

And Jayhawker, just because I use simple language and simple diagrams, doesn't make me naive, I'm pointing something out. When expaining something to children, you use terms that they will understand. Either you get it or you don't, if you don't, then, this message is not for you.

Stem cells:
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sparc872

sparc872

Active Member
I didn't know we knew of multiple universes and had pictures of them. Correct me if I am wrong, but I was under the impression there was only one known universe in, well, the universe.
 
Scuba Pete

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
Jayhawker Soule said:
There is a point here: many (though certainly not all) of those who suggest that science led them to God demonstrate an embarrassingly naive understanding of science.
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I am confident that the same could be said about those who feel that science led them away from God, Jay. Science neither advocates or denies the existence of the super-natural. Logic follows the same route and in the end, we are left to make a decision that while it may make perfect sense to us, befuddles the tar out of those who believe differently.
 
zenzero

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend Echanted Spirit,
Surely what you stated is correct.
Yes, you are on the right track.
Best Wishes.
Love & rgds
 
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