Do creationists have anything new?

Faithofchristian said:

If I may ask, what is some of the things that creationists throw at you. To try to disprove you?

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It's not that hard to do. Big Bang Theory, Macroevolution and Abiogenesis are just smoke and mirrors once you realize what they are based on.

1. Assumptive premises
2. Speculative hypotheses that have no concrete proof
3. Dating methods all far from anything resembling concrete accuracy that are based on pure assumption

Macroevolutionists cannot prove macroevolution has ever happened even though they have DNA at their beck and call. All they can do is show similarities and speculate about them. It's really a lousy theory.

Microevolution is observed and therefore proven. Macroevolution is a pipe dream basically in an attempt to replace the Creator, which is quite impossible.

Jose Fly said:

You can keep making that claim all you like, but until you show where I've done that, it's nothing more than an empty assertion.

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You can pretend but subterfuge is no defense against what your writings show?
You are basically sticking your fingers in your ears and closing your eyes and thinking it isn't so, if you say it isn't.
There is nothing you can change about the fact your posts prove my points all by themselves.

Mestemia said:

All that to not address the query you quoted?
I am not interested in your exhaustive list of excuses and false accusations.

So are you going to be the fist to show us how the first life came into existence, or are you content with rambling on about your diversion topic?

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Are you incapable of reading a post and understanding what it says? As you cannot have two accounts I can only assume that you are not posting as two people but share the same problem that denial somehow makes you right.
When you have read the posts properly then please come back and address the actual issues and not your own misunderstanding of them.

RESOLUTION said:

Are you incapable of reading a post and understanding what it says? As you cannot have two accounts I can only assume that you are not posting as two people but share the same problem that denial somehow makes you right.
When you have read the posts properly then please come back and address the actual issues and not your own misunderstanding of them.

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First, the post above said "do creationists have anything new"

First do you understand what a creationists is. And what it means to believe in creation?
By what you stated, you have no idea at all what it means to be a creationists.

By the post above that states,
"do creationists have anything new"

This means that all who believe in creation will have a uniform of belief in creation.
That there is nothing new about creation. That if you read the creation account in Genesis Chapters 1 & 2.
There can be nothing more to be added or that is New.

Just because the evolutionist can not make up their minds how evolution started or came to be, Does not mean that creationists are the same, unto which we are not. There's only one way that creation started and came to be, that nothing else can be added or is New.

Therefore if you would go any creationists and ask them how creation started or came to be.

Thereby each creationists will give you the creation account, which will be in uniform with each other.

Faithofchristian said:

Just because the evolutionist can not make up their minds how evolution started or came to be

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I don't think this has ever been an issue...

RESOLUTION said:

You can pretend but subterfuge is no defense against what your writings show?
You are basically sticking your fingers in your ears and closing your eyes and thinking it isn't so, if you say it isn't.
There is nothing you can change about the fact your posts prove my points all by themselves.

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Then show it.

Faithofchristian said:

First, the post above said "do creationists have anything new"

First do you understand what a creationists is. And what it means to believe in creation?
By what you stated, you have no idea at all what it means to be a creationists.

By the post above that states,
"do creationists have anything new"

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My post was in answer to other peoples posts to myself. Had you followed the thread completely you would have understood this. Fools rush in where angels fear to tread.
No you are not a fool but sometimes we need to assess and read all the material before and after.

I understand perfectly what it means to be a creationst... As God is the ONLY creator we would be sore pressed to believe given the facts and evidence available that
the world was not created. So by all means I am open to corrections, I am not open to people who like yourself read a couple of posts then get the wrong end of a stick.

This means that all who believe in creation will have a uniform of belief in creation.
That there is nothing new about creation. That if you read the creation account in Genesis Chapters 1 & 2.
There can be nothing more to be added or that is New.P/QUOTE]

So you do not believe that God healing someone who is terminally ill a new creation?

Think on that the person whose body is dying is suddenly cured by God made into someone new.

Is God creating a new body from an old body taking away the sickness? Didn't Christ do the same thing. Doesn't God now what to man is impossible now. Did he not create
the universe with his words he spoke? Gods word is a LIVING word. He sent his word and healed them and delivered them from their destruction.
Evolution is not about creation and every evolutionist tells you that. WHY? Because they don't deal with creation itself of how things came into being. They deal with how it evolved.
There has been no evolution evidence, evidence of it's existence for over 2,000 years. In fact some scientist claim it has stopped as far as mankind is concerned we are not evolving
any more. Theories tend to do that but the word of God continues and the same word of God created the world and the universe.

Just because the evolutionist can not make up their minds how evolution started or came to be, Does not mean that creationists are the same, unto which we are not. There's only one way that creation started and came to be, that nothing else can be added or is New.

I think I have answered this question above. As you see I am taught by God and understand both the creationist view and the evolution view better than most.

Therefore if you would go any creationists and ask them how creation started or came to be.

Thereby each creationists will give you the creation account, which will be in uniform with each other.

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No they wouldn't, as I have just proved. A true creationist understands the power of God and how his word brought everything into being and how God still maintains the world
today. Creation as a list of items and order things appeared can be laid side by side with Darwins theory. He said things all came into being in the same order as Creation in the bible.
Creation may have been a 7 days event with God resting the 7 day. But the creation is an ongoing living thing. The days of creation are limited to the creation.
The life that came about is the creation and God is author and giver of all life and that creation is still here today and ongoing.
The Word of God has never passed in the form of his creation or his oral and written word. His word today is still life to those who find him.

Everyday the creation is renewed in that life goes on for another period of 24 hours. Sustained by the hands of God in that what he speaks cannot pass away.

Gods word is a living word.


King James Bible
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow,
and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

King James Bible
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

You talk about creation as if back there in the beginning. Creation is all around you today and ongoing the source of life, of all life is God the Father.
It is maintained by the Fathers power.

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Jose Fly said:

Then show it.

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Read your own posts they are just like this one of your empty of anything but useless arguments based on no knowledge or understanding by yourself.
You prove I am wrong. There is the truth you cannot because you know I am right. And the more subterfuge you use; those who have read your posts will see it too.
Because not all people speak without knowledge as you do.

I find it strange that in a world where what God created still lives on that people question it, but more importantly - think evolution actually plays a part as far as creation is concerned.
Scientist believe man has stopped evolving. To be honest, they cannot show evolution taking place. They believe man is not evolving any longer.
Could it be, had there been witnesses they would know man has always been what he is from the beginning.

The only thing which has remained constant is the belief that God created the world and therefore the world is a creation.

Sometimes people miss relevancy in things people say because they cannot see it from and independent view.

Creationist have something new everyday, the world is carrying on and creation still alive.
Evolution according to scientist has ended as far as man himself is concerned. Nothing new evolving no new changes for over 2,000 years.
Because man can see with his own eyes that the world around may change, the social aspect, living arrangements and even advances in science etc.
But these are man made things the creation itself is just the ongoing of what God created. The sun coming up and going down. The seasons and of course
food growing. If God took these things away then money and all these other things we have advanced in would be meaningless.

Creation is alive and well... and the creation which thrives are the creation who know and understand the words from whom they came from.

The wisdom of God does not change and he maintains his creation. Science could not do that if the elements all failed.

RESOLUTION said:

Read your own posts they are just like this one of your empty of anything but useless arguments based on no knowledge or understanding by yourself.
You prove I am wrong. There is the truth you cannot because you know I am right. And the more subterfuge you use; those who have read your posts will see it too.
Because not all people speak without knowledge as you do.

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That's what I figured.

RESOLUTION said:

Are you incapable of reading a post and understanding what it says? As you cannot have two accounts I can only assume that you are not posting as two people but share the same problem that denial somehow makes you right.
When you have read the posts properly then please come back and address the actual issues and not your own misunderstanding of them.

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Your posts have yet to answer the query.

You have side stepped it and skirted it, and avoided it, but you have NOT addressed it.

So until such time as it is addressed....

Faithofchristian said:

First, the post above said "do creationists have anything new"

First do you understand what a creationists is. And what it means to believe in creation?
By what you stated, you have no idea at all what it means to be a creationists.

By the post above that states,
"do creationists have anything new"

This means that all who believe in creation will have a uniform of belief in creation.
That there is nothing new about creation. That if you read the creation account in Genesis Chapters 1 & 2.
There can be nothing more to be added or that is New.

Just because the evolutionist can not make up their minds how evolution started or came to be, Does not mean that creationists are the same, unto which we are not. There's only one way that creation started and came to be, that nothing else can be added or is New.

Therefore if you would go any creationists and ask them how creation started or came to be.

Thereby each creationists will give you the creation account, which will be in uniform with each other.

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Wow.
All that to say "no"?

Long winded much?

Jose Fly said:

IOW, the cast changes, but script remains the same.

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Not at all surprising, unlike "science" the scriptures are the same yesterday as they are today and will be tomorrow. The difference is that Bible believing Christians will not try to pass off our "beliefs" as fact without plausible, verifiable evidence. Furthermore, if we cannot answer questions with plausible, verifiable answers, we do not insist our views are fact, like some do.

Ted Evans said:

Not at all surprising, unlike "science" the scriptures are the same yesterday as they are today and will be tomorrow.

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That is the problam.
Scriptures that are wrong will always be wrong.

Ted Evans said:

The difference is that Bible believing Christians will not try to pass off our "beliefs" as fact without plausible, verifiable evidence.

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At best this is simply flat out wrong.
At worst it is a bold faced lie.

Ted Evans said:

Furthermore, if we cannot answer questions with plausible, verifiable answers, we do not insist our views are fact, like some do.

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At best this is simply flat out wrong.
At worst it is a bold faced lie.

Rather difficult to take you seriously now.

I guess I don't understand why many Christians feel that science discoveries somehow can't coexist with their beliefs? Science isn't lying, it's built on testable facts. Why is it so important to stay willfully ignorant when it comes to the discoveries about the universe?

Ted Evans said:

Not at all surprising, unlike "science" the scriptures are the same yesterday as they are today and will be tomorrow. The difference is that Bible believing Christians will not try to pass off our "beliefs" as fact without plausible, verifiable evidence. Furthermore, if we cannot answer questions with plausible, verifiable answers, we do not insist our views are fact, like some do.

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Ok, let's see if were getting this right, (You said that as christians, If we cannot answer questions with plausible, verifiable answers, we do not insist our views are fact, like some do)

If to what you say is right, then how is it that Christians come up with this rapture theory, when in fact there's no where in the bible that supports this rapture that Christians are putting out.

Common sense will tell you, that if the rapture theory, is in the bible, then anyone and everyone would read all about it.

I've been studying the scriptures for 45 years and have of yet to read anything about this rapture theory that so called Christians are putting out.

You know even God is against those who teach this form of doctrine of a rapture theory, that people will fly to save their souls. That is exactly what the rapture theory teaches.that people will be Raptured ( fly ) out to save their souls.

Ezekiel 13:20 --"Wherefore thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against your pillows, Wherewith you there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that you hunt to make them fly"

Therefore even the Lord God is against those who teach people that they will
( fly) Rapture out to save their souls.

But I already know your not going to like this and you like all the other Christians will go on the attack against God for what he has said, because God himself, just destroyed your rapture theory.
That people will Rapture (fly) out to save their souls.

Deidre said:

I guess I don't understand why many Christians feel that science discoveries somehow can't coexist with their beliefs? Science isn't lying, it's built on testable facts. Why is it so important to stay willfully ignorant when it comes to the discoveries about the universe?

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To answer your question, that's because alot of Christians will follow what their pastors will tell them.Rather than what God will say, Whatever their pastors tell's them, and then they will incorporate it into God's word the Bible.

Faithofchristian said:

To answer your question, that's because alot of Christians will follow what their pastors will tell them.Rather than what God will say, Whatever their pastors tell's them, and then they will incorporate it into God's word the Bible.

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That's sadly true. The Bible was written during one time period, but we have had many time periods after, and a lot of real factual discoveries about the universe, and our own existence. How could reality hurt a person's faith, I don't know.

Ted Evans said:

Not at all surprising, unlike "science" the scriptures are the same yesterday as they are today and will be tomorrow.

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The scare quotes around science aside, I've always found it fascinating how Christian creationists view adjusting to new information to be a flaw rather than a virtue. Says a lot about their psychological need for certainty.

The difference is that Bible believing Christians will not try to pass off our "beliefs" as fact without plausible, verifiable evidence.

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Really? I'm pretty sure I've encountered quite a few Christians who insist that things like special creation of humans, Noah's flood, and the Exodus are facts. But I won't put you in a position where you have to defend things other people say. If you recognize those things as religious beliefs rather than facts, that's good.

Furthermore, if we cannot answer questions with plausible, verifiable answers, we do not insist our views are fact, like some do.

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Like who?

Deidre said:

That's sadly true. The Bible was written during one time period, but we have had many time periods after, and a lot of real factual discoveries about the universe, and our own existence. How could reality hurt a person's faith, I don't know.

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Deidre said:

That's sadly true. The Bible was written during one time period, but we have had many time periods after, and a lot of real factual discoveries about the universe, and our own existence. How could reality hurt a person's faith, I don't know.

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If I may say, the young creationists, will say that the earth is only 6000 years old, Ok

Now we have the paleontologist scientist, unto which some are Christian paleontologist scientist have discovered that the dinosaurs bones date to Millions if not Billions of years old. So this disproves these young creationists christians of the earth as being 6000 years old.

The earth is Millions to Billions of years old.
The earth was already here long before Adam and Eve came.

But because these young creationists pastors tell's them, the earth is only 6000 years old, then these young creationists christians go and incorporate it into God's word.