bible says god is immortal

TrueBeliever37 said:

1. So your answer to me is that it was King David who is called Elohiym in Psalms 45:6-7?

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Reread it.

TrueBeliever37 said:

And you also believe in other Gods like Kings and Judges.

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What? Elohiym also means Kings, Judges, Gods plural, etc. Look up Judges and Goddess in the two verses below.

Exo 22:8 If the thief be not found, then the master of the house shall be brought unto the judges (ELOHIYM), to see whether he have put his hand unto his neighbour's goods.

1Ki 11:5 For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the Goddess (ELOHIYM) of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites.

TrueBeliever37 said:

So you do believe in multiple Gods. You believe in more Gods than the Trinitarians do. I wouldn't have dreamed I would have to tell a Jew (if you really are) about verses like Isaiah 44:6, and Isaiah 45:5 where YHWH said he was the only Elohiym.

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Where are you getting this stuff from? I don't believe in multiple Gods, nor am I Jewish.

Isa 45:3 And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, YHVH, which call thee by thy name, am Elohiym of Israel.

In other words YHVH is the Elohiym of Israel, rather then any other Elohiym/God.

Ashtoreth is the Elohiym of the Zidonians. (1Ki 11:5)

2. By using the blue in Psalms 89:18 are you implying that King David is the Holy One of Israel? If so, do you have more than one Holy One of Israel?
Try reading Psalms 78:41, and Isaiah 30:15 , and Isaiah 41:14 (there are many others) YHWH clearly calls himself the Holy One of Israel. I can find a verse where he says he is the King also if you need me to.[/QUOTE]

YHVH is the Holy One of Israel. So is his chosen King David, and probably the other chosen Kings as well, and his prophets.

(Psalm 89:3-5, 18-37) “3 “I have made a covenant with My chosen, I have sworn to My servant David:
4 ‘Your seed I will establish forever, And build up your throne to all generations.’” Selah
5 And the heavens will praise Your wonders, YHVH; Your faithfulness also in the assembly of the saints.
18 For our shield belongs to YHVH, And our king to the Holy One of Israel.
19 Then You spoke in a vision to Your holy one, And said: “I have given help to one who is mighty; I have exalted one chosen from the people.
20 I have found My servant David; With My holy oil I have anointed him,
21 With whom My hand shall be established; Also My arm shall strengthen him.
22 The enemy shall not outwit him, Nor the son of wickedness afflict him.
23 I will beat down his foes before his face, And plague those who hate him.
24 “But My faithfulness and My mercy shall be with him, And in My name his horn shall be exalted.
25 Also I will set his hand over the sea, And his right hand over the rivers.
26 He shall cry to Me, ‘You are my Father, My God, and the rock of my salvation.’
27 Also I will make him My firstborn, The highest of the kings of the earth.
28 My mercy I will keep for him forever, And My covenant shall stand firm with him.
29 His seed also I will make to endure forever, And his throne as the days of heaven.
30 “If his sons forsake My law And do not walk in My judgments,
31 If they break My statutes And do not keep My commandments,
32 Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, And their iniquity with stripes.
33 Nevertheless My lovingkindness I will not utterly take from him, Nor allow My faithfulness to fail.
34 My covenant I will not break, Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.
35 Once I have sworn by My holiness; I will not lie to David:
36 His seed shall endure forever, And his throne as the sun before Me;

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TrueBeliever37 said:

And yet who is this King of Kings mentioned in Rev 19:11-16 ?

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TrueBeliever37,
I believe that you are correct, the Scriptures 1Timothy 6:14-16, could only be Jehovah God, the God and Father of Jesus, 2Corinthians 1:3, Ephesians 1:3, Colossians 1:3.
In the Holy Scriptures, Jesus is called a god, even a mighty god, but Jesus is not The Almighty God, Isaiah 9:6,7. In the original Scriptures the Hebrew word for Mighty god was El Gabbohr, but The Almighty God was El Shaddai. When Jesus was praying to his Heavenly Father, Jesus said that the Father was the only True God, John 17:3, also John 20:17.
Jehovah is called the God of gods, and Lord of lords, Deuteronomy 10:17, but Jesus is called Lord of Lords, and King of Kings, but Jesus is NOT called God of Gods, because Jehovah is the God of gods, even Jesus God and Father, John 20;17.
At Revelation 19:16, Jesus is called King of Kings, and Lord of Lords. The God of Gods, Jehovah, put Jesus as the King of the Kingdom over the earth, but Jehovah said Himself, that He will not give His Glory to anyone, Isaiah 42:8.
We know that Revelation 19:11-16 is speaking about Jesus, because of the terms that he is called by, and the things he is doing, are the exact things that the Bible says Jesus does, in other places, the white horse, Revelation 6:2, the Word of God, John 1:14, the hosts of heaven are following him at Armageddon, Matthew 25:31-46, the sharp sword protruding from Jesus mouth, Revelation 1:16, Daniel 7:14, Luke 1:33. Agape!!!

The question is a misunderstanding of the hyper static union. As God Jesus did not die. But Jesus took an additional nature, a human nature and in his human nature he could die. In his divine nature he could raise himself from the dead. The two natures welded together forever

12jtartar said:

TrueBeliever37,
I believe that you are correct, the Scriptures 1Timothy 6:14-16, could only be Jehovah God, the God and Father of Jesus, 2Corinthians 1:3, Ephesians 1:3, Colossians 1:3.
In the Holy Scriptures, Jesus is called a god, even a mighty god, but Jesus is not The Almighty God, Isaiah 9:6,7. In the original Scriptures the Hebrew word for Mighty god was El Gabbohr, but The Almighty God was El Shaddai. When Jesus was praying to his Heavenly Father, Jesus said that the Father was the only True God, John 17:3, also John 20:17.
Jehovah is called the God of gods, and Lord of lords, Deuteronomy 10:17, but Jesus is called Lord of Lords, and King of Kings, but Jesus is NOT called God of Gods, because Jehovah is the God of gods, even Jesus God and Father, John 20;17.
At Revelation 19:16, Jesus is called King of Kings, and Lord of Lords. The God of Gods, Jehovah, put Jesus as the King of the Kingdom over the earth, but Jehovah said Himself, that He will not give His Glory to anyone, Isaiah 42:8.
We know that Revelation 19:11-16 is speaking about Jesus, because of the terms that he is called by, and the things he is doing, are the exact things that the Bible says Jesus does, in other places, the white horse, Revelation 6:2, the Word of God, John 1:14, the hosts of heaven are following him at Armageddon, Matthew 25:31-46, the sharp sword protruding from Jesus mouth, Revelation 1:16, Daniel 7:14, Luke 1:33. Agape!!!

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12jtartar,

Sorry, but I have to disagree with you on the name of God. YHWH is the correct name to use. The Jews decided God's name was too holy to pronounce, and also to avoid using it in vain, they substituted other words for it when they read it. Vowel points were added to the name from other words, usually adonai (which means Lord or Master) to remind them not to say the name. Sometimes they substituted Elohim (Hebrew word meaning God) for the name - if Adonai was already next to the name in the verse. Some wanna be scholars came along evidently not realizing the vowel points were from a different word, and came up with what developed into the artificial name Jehovah. (There is no J in the Hebrew language.)

You said you believe I am correct - does that mean you can see that the Messiah was both the Father and the son, as Isaiah 9:6 prophesied? YHWH overshadowed the virgin Mary, so he was the Father of the body that came forth. But it was YHWH dwelling in the body. It was his body. That is why he said things like, I and my Father are one, and if you have seen me you have seen the Father.

After the resurrection, the Messiah did say I have all power in heaven and on earth. If he has all power that does make him the Almighty.

Why do you capitalize God one time and make it god another, when the same Hebrew word El is used in both instances?

If you don't believe YHWH came down and wrapped himself in flesh, then how can both be Lord of the other?

TrueBeliever37 said:

12jtartar,

Sorry, but I have to disagree with you on the name of God. YHWH is the correct name to use. The Jews decided God's name was too holy to pronounce, and also to avoid using it in vain, they substituted other words for it when they read it. Vowel points were added to the name from other words, usually adonai (which means Lord or Master) to remind them not to say the name. Sometimes they substituted Elohim (Hebrew word meaning God) for the name - if Adonai was already next to the name in the verse. Some wanna be scholars came along evidently not realizing the vowel points were from a different word, and came up with what developed into the artificial name Jehovah. (There is no J in the Hebrew language.)...

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No - W - there.

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So do you believe the trees were symbolic or actual trees. And what do you think about my idea that the serpent represented the fact that there were more than two people created at creation. I realized the serpent is never actually called the devil, and also that the snake has many ribs (200-400). I think when it is stated God made man in His likeness that really God created man inn the way only He could, which means it was a very complicated and hard to understand process.

I think that the serpent represented (because it was never actually called the devil) possibly man answering God and blaming his flesh for his actions. Possibly a person who hasn't blasphemed and is forgivable. But a person who said "the devil made them do it" probably wasn't even answering to God (because they had chosen to be god to themselves) and were probably calling God the devil, blaming Him.

Ingledsva said:

No - W - there.

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As usual I disagree with you. And you gave no proof. You need to research this a little more.

I really don't understand why you even have a dog in this fight. Since you let me know in a previous post, that you don't believe in God or that this is even his book.
I have come to the conclusion that you just like to argue, so I don't plan on debating this with you.

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TrueBeliever37 said:

As usual I disagree with you. And you gave no proof. You need to research this a little more.

I really don't understand why you even have a dog in this fight. Since you let me know in a previous post, that you don't believe in God or that this is even his book.
I have come to the conclusion that you just like to argue, so I don't plan on debating this with you.

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There is no letter corresponding to "W" there. It corresponds to "V."

Even in the Christian text where they play-loose and add vowels, - note that the corresponding letters are YHVH.

yehôvâh

yeh-ho-vaw'

From H1961; (the) self Existent or eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God: - Jehovah, the Lord.

Strong's Concordance

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evilsorcerer1 said:

So do you believe the trees were symbolic or actual trees. And what do you think about my idea that the serpent represented the fact that there were more than two people created at creation. I realized the serpent is never actually called the devil, and also that the snake has many ribs (200-400). I think when it is stated God made man in His likeness that really God created man inn the way only He could, which means it was a very complicated and hard to understand process.

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I believe they were actual trees.

I believe if you are referring to Adam & Eve that they were the only two at that creation and if you are referring to original creation on earth that there were only two.

I believe God does not have a body so I believe it means that a spirit was given to the body in the creation.

I believe cloning is beyond a layman's understanding but easily enough understood by a scientist.

evilsorcerer1 said:

I think that the serpent represented (because it was never actually called the devil) possibly man answering God and blaming his flesh for his actions. Possibly a person who hasn't blasphemed and is forgivable. But a person who said "the devil made them do it" probably wasn't even answering to God (because they had chosen to be god to themselves) and were probably calling God the devil, blaming Him.

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I believe the serpent was Hel who was a shapeshifter.

evilsorcerer1 said:

So do you believe the trees were symbolic or actual trees. And what do you think about my idea that the serpent represented the fact that there were more than two people created at creation. I realized the serpent is never actually called the devil, and also that the snake has many ribs (200-400). I think when it is stated God made man in His likeness that really God created man inn the way only He could, which means it was a very complicated and hard to understand process.

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The Bible story is probably a retelling of the Sumerian story.

Apparently the word Eden comes from a Hebrew root a-d-n, meaning a palm tree, - probably originally from the Akkadian word edinu, borrowed from the Sumerian eden, meaning “plain.”

In the scene below we have male, female, date palm, and serpent.



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Ingledsva said:

The Bible story is probably a retelling of the Sumerian story.

Apparently the word Eden comes from a Hebrew root a-d-n, meaning a palm tree, - probably originally from the Akkadian word edinu, borrowed from the Sumerian eden, meaning “plain.”

In the scene below we have male, female, date palm, and serpent.

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Since God was there He shouldn't have any trouble telling Moses what happened.

I believe it is difficult to say but the Gods lived in Asia which basically means east. Usually the origin is considered the Caucasus mountains but it would seem unlikely that the gods would share their own territory so maybe they set up something somewhat south of the Caucasus.

PS: I like the city Rasht in Iran on the Caspian sea. It would be a nice place to put an Eden.

life.period said:

Bible says god is mortal

God doesn't die , no one can see


1 Timothy 6:16New International Version (NIV)
16 who alone is immortalA) and who lives in unapproachable light,B)" "> whom no one has seen or can see.

Jesus die and every one sew him according to bible. So he is not god.


This in your bible not my words

If you believe in bible , you shall believe in bible content

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NIV is Corrupted bible.

Faithofchristian said:

NIV is Corrupted bible.

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I believe that is an exaggeration. My pastor says that he thinks the NIV uses a concept method of translation rather than a word for word translation which at times can be misleading. It certainly is not as free with language as a paraphrase. Both my pastor and I agree that NASB is the best but that doesn't mean the others are not good just that they aren't as dependable for serious study.

NASB I Tim 6:16 who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.