Is Jesus Christ a God or Do You Beleive in Jesus the Human ?

Politesse said:

So you believe that a law without love can be perfect?

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law without love is not God's.

syo said:

law without love is not God's.

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Then how did Jesus "perfect" God's Law?

Politesse said:

Then how did Jesus "perfect" God's Law?

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by showing the way to god's law. he focused on the message of love. only by focusing on love, the commandments have meaning and can be achieved.

syo said:

by showing the way to god's law. he focused on the message of love. only by focusing on love, the commandments have meaning and can be achieved.

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Now that, I can agree with!

I don't see how it makes sense to say that only Jesus can fulfill the Law, then; it seems to me that, in leading, he meant for us to follow. Why can all of God's creations not strive to meet the law of love and, in so doing, fulfill its original purpose?

Paranoid Android said:

I consider Jesus to be a man, and in no sense a god to be worshipped. Messiah was originally meant as someone who would be a king or prophet (I believe that is true; correct me if I am wrong). In light of that, and in light of his humanity, I consider Jesus to be a mentally ill man that is an example to everyone on how we should live our life.
Do you consider Jesus a man or do you consider him a God ? What reasons do you have for that belief ?

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Jesus is the Messiah. The Messiah is Yahweh himself. For instance, read Isaiah

"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upond his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and of peace there will be no end, on the throne of David and over his kingdom, to establish it and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from this time forth and forevermore. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will do this." (Isaiah 9:6-7)

Jesus is both man and God.

Crypto2015 said:

Jesus is the Messiah. The Messiah is Yahweh himself. For instance, read Isaiah

"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upond his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and of peace there will be no end, on the throne of David and over his kingdom, to establish it and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from this time forth and forevermore. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will do this." (Isaiah 9:6-7)

Jesus is both man and God.

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Nowhere in Isaiah is the awaited Messiah - God. That would be blasphemy for the Jews.

Also - the Messiah has to be from the line of David, - and Jesus is NOT.

Jewish scholars say this is Hezekiah.

It can also be translated differently - such as -

Isaiah 9:6 For is born a child, a son given to take the rule/government upon his shoulders; and his name is called Wonderful Adviser, Mighty Warrior, Father of future generations, Ruler/keeper/prince of peace.

Isaiah 9:7 To increase the government/empire and the welfare/safety/peace of the throne of David, and over his kingdom, to strengthen the justice and righteousness, from this time, and to eternity. Zealously YHVH of Hosts will do this.

That “God” is also “Mighty,” and as for “Father Everlasting,” in the Greek Septuagint they used πατὴρ τοῦ μέλλαντος αιὼνος, "the father of the yet to come ages" – and Jerome in the Vulgate translates it “Pater futuri saeculi, "Father of the future generations/ages". Thus = Mighty Warrior, Father of future generations.

You folks take sentences out of context. It continues AFTER verse 9:6 talking about the SAME people in the SAME war, before and after 9:6, - Rezin, Ephraim, etc.

Isa 7:1 And it came to pass in the days of Ahaz the son of Jotham, the son of Uzziah, king of Judah, that Rezin the king of Syria, and Pekah the son of Remaliah, king of Israel, went up toward Jerusalem to war against it, but could not prevail against it.

Isa 7:2 And it was told the house of David, saying, Syria is confederate with Ephraim. And his heart was moved, and the heart of his people, as the trees of the wood are moved with the wind.
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Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

Isa 9:8 YHVH sent a word into Jacob, and it hath lighted upon Israel.

Isa 9:9 And all the people shall know, even Ephraim and the inhabitant of Samaria, that say in the pride and stoutness of heart,

Isa 9:10 The bricks are fallen down, but we will build with hewn stones: the sycomores are cut down, but we will change them into cedars.

Isa 9:11 Therefore YHVH shall set up the adversaries of Rezin against him, and join his enemies together;

Kept in context - it is still talking about the war Isaiah and Ahaz and Rezin are in - after 9:6

Some Hezekiah info, - Hezekiah - Wikipedia

EDIT - This is also interesting. It is from a Jewish woman. She has the first couple referring to YHVH, - and he then CALLED the child, "the prince of peace.

Yeshayahu 9:5

"For a child has been born to us, a son given to us, and the authority is upon his shoulder, and the wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, called his name, "the prince of peace."

So, as you can see with a correct translation taken directly from the original Hebrew, the verse reads in a completely different way. This is because the translation found in the Christian OT completely changes the grammar which in turn changes the meaning.

As you can see from an accurate translation, the child isn't named 'god', rather, HaShem, who is 'the wondrous adviser' and the 'everlasting Father' named the child 'prince of peace'." Quora
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Crypto2015 said:

Jesus is the Messiah. The Messiah is Yahweh himself. For instance, read Isaiah

"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upond his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and of peace there will be no end, on the throne of David and over his kingdom, to establish it and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from this time forth and forevermore. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will do this." (Isaiah 9:6-7)

Jesus is both man and God.

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Then why does Isaiah say Cyrus was the Messiah

Isaiah 45:1
Thus saith the LORD to his Messiah to Cyrus

Isaiah 61:1 ( Cyrus-Messiah frees the captives )
The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound

The throne of David was given to Cyrus.

Ezra 1:2
Thus saith Cyrus king of Persia, The LORD God of heaven hath given me all the kingdoms of the earth, and he hath charged me to build him an house at Jerusalem, which is in Judah.

Daniel 9:25
Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince

Isaiah 61:4
They will rebuild the ancient ruins and restore the places long devastated

Isaiah 44:28
who says of Cyrus, 'He is my shepherd and will accomplish all that I please; he will say of Jerusalem, "Let it be rebuilt," and of the temple, "Let its foundations be laid."

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Jesus always was and always will be fully God and he clothed himself in humanity when He came to Earth.

"Is Jesus Christ a God or Do You Beleive in Jesus the Human?"

Yes. Though I would take away the "a" before "God".

I believe the Bible that says that when I LOOK at the Physical body of Yaahoshua, I am LOOKING directly at The Image of very Father Himself.

* Remember that in John 14:7, Yehoshua Declared - "If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him."

John 14:9, "Yehoshua saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father ?"
Yehoshua is eXpressing the FACT That this Catholic Ideology is a Lie. He is Claiming literally to Be The Father .... - from NOW ON - ward, ye know THE FATHER, and have seen THE Father."

by Knowing Yehoshua, By Seeing Yehoshua - You See and Know the Father.
"Yehoshua saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me - hath seen the Father; and WHY DO YOU SAY Then, Shew us the Father?"

There is no other FATHER _ There is no other Husband. _ There is no other Creator
There is no other Rock _ There is no other Savior. _ No other Alpha and Omega - First and last Beginning and Ending eXcept for - Yehoshua The Anointing
Yehoshua was The Father manifested MORPHED in the flesh. And Romantic Catholics simply refuse To Accept This Fact. The Creator Over All Who created all Things. By Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, - And without Him nothing eXists.
Jesus is - The Word, In the beginning, was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Jesus is The Wonderful Counselor, The Mighty God, His Name Is Called The Everlasting Father and Prince of Peace -

The Word Of God That was with GOD AND WAS GOD God is a Spirit And YAHOSHUAH + * ( Jesus } is the Manifestation of that Eternal Invisible Spirit. Yes, God Speaks to Himself. - Yes, God even REPENTS to Himself.
Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. Exo 32:14 And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.
Yes, God Prays To Himself. - Yes God Worships Himself.
Yes God - The Spirit - EVEN Created Himself - A Body. To Manifest Himself to Humanity
Yes God Manifested Himself Through - Christ Jesus. REMEMBER that As Jesus is Speaking of His Departure He Says that - God { The Father } Will Send the Holy Spirit ( The COMFORTER ) " I will come to you - I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. "
God The Spirit - is reaching out to humanity Through The Son Jesus.
Joh 14:16 And I will ask the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever;
Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. Joh 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. Joh 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. Joh 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he - it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love Him and will manifest myself to him. Jesus's Love, Jesus's eXistance and very Humanity - Is Simply, God - Reaching out to Humanity. Jesus is not another PERSON of a Triune, Triangulated, Triplett - Threesome of Three Separate Personalities and Personages. He is Literally the VERY Makeup of God - He is THE VERY GOD Manifested in ( MORPHED ) into Human Form. The Eternal Spirit Himself Shed His Very Own Eternal Blood. The Eternal Spirit Himself Who Speaks Audio Through Christ. - As Men Speak. - The Eternal Spirit Himself Who Walks with Man, as Men Walk. As God Spoke *( AS A MAN ) To Adam, -
As A man To Abraham, As A Man to Moses. As A Man to Gideon, As a Man. The Same God morphing His spirit INTO The FORM / MORPH of a Literal Human Being, Living, Eating, Breathing and Feeling like a Human. While Still eXisting as The eternal Spirit -
ALL at The Same time - in Heaven and also on Earth,
In Jesus Was the FULLNESS COMPLETION of the whole Godhead Bodily -

This is why The Roman Catholic Church waited for nearly 2000 years to produce a bible into another language but Latin / Italian alone. Because The Bible does not represent The Roman Catholic Faith.

PlicsidaLoreal said:

This is why The Roman Catholic Church waited for nearly 2000 years to produce a bible into another language but Latin / Italian alone. Because The Bible does not represent The Roman Catholic Faith.

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Is that why there are 3-4 Bible readings at every single mass, a homily (sermon) that must be based on the readings, and prayers that reflect what the early church believed about God, Jesus, and the Eucharist?

PlicsidaLoreal said:

John 14:9, "Yehoshua saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father ?"
Yehoshua is eXpressing the FACT That this Catholic Ideology is a Lie.

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PlicsidaLoreal said:

There is no other Rock _ There is no other Savior. _ No other Alpha and Omega - First and last Beginning and Ending eXcept for - Yehoshua The Anointing
Yehoshua was The Father manifested MORPHED in the flesh. And Romantic Catholics simply refuse To Accept This Fact.

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I hate to say this but you simply have no clue what you're talking about, and let me recommend you leave whomever taught you this bigotry. I'm not Catholic, but I've been attending mass with my wife for over 50 years, and what you parrot above is nothing short of shear unadulterated nonsense.

Here, maybe do some reading: Catechism of the Catholic Church

I understand Your claims - However, You provide no eXamples or vaIidation of anything that I have stated as Incorrect. I have read the Catechism of the Catholic Church - And there are many doctrines that were developed that were not in the Orginal Bible manuscripts.

For eXample - You will notice that When Jesus states that John is Marys Son in Joh 19:26- Roman Catholics refuse to take Jesus at His literal words.

The Greek word THY SON is the word G4675 - σοῦ - sou / soo
Meaning = Of thee, thy: - thine (own), thou, thy. = Your own.

This Greek word is used nearly 500 times in the New Testament and it always means Your Own or thy own.

We see that Roman Catholics are willing to pretend that Jesus is speaking symbolically here - but only when it fits with their teachings. It simply shews - Roman Catholics seem very willing to lie. They choose when Jesus words are literally true and real and when they are symbolic and when they are not important..

PlicsidaLoreal said:

I understand Your claims - However, You provide no eXamples or vaIidation of anything that I have stated as Incorrect. I have read the Catechism of the Catholic Church - And there are many doctrines that were developed that were not in the Orginal Bible manuscripts.

For eXample - You will notice that When Jesus states that John is Marys Son in Joh 19:26- Roman Catholics refuse to take Jesus at His literal words.

The Greek word THY SON is the word G4675 - σοῦ - sou / soo
Meaning = Of thee, thy: - thine (own), thou, thy. = Your own.

This Greek word is used nearly 500 times in the New Testament and it always means Your Own or thy own.

We see that Roman Catholics are willing to pretend that Jesus is speaking symbolically here - but only when it fits with their teachings. It simply shews - Roman Catholics seem very willing to lie. They choose when Jesus words are literally true and real and when they are symbolic and when they are not important..

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The incorrectness of your sentiment comes from John 1:1. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God."

The "God" concept is complex, and strictly hierachical. The Father and the Word are one God, but hierarchically or vertically distinctive. The lower is the image of the upper. "The head of Christ is God." 1 Cor 13.

Reducing God to such elemental simplicity as you have posited is in some ways attractive but childish, or a denial of reality. It's like insisting on Newtonian mechanics which is tangible and visible, whilst denying the theory of relativity, which is largely intangible and unobservable to the naked eye. What I could conceive is that in human/wordly terms, the Father and the Son may be denoted by a single "hypostasis" but not to the extent as to deny the New Testament distinction between the Father and the Word.

Crypto2015 said:

Jesus is the Messiah. The Messiah is Yahweh himself. For instance, read Isaiah

"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upond his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and of peace there will be no end, on the throne of David and over his kingdom, to establish it and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from this time forth and forevermore. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will do this." (Isaiah 9:6-7)

Jesus is both man and God.

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Yes - YHWH was dwelling in a human body. He fathered the body, so he called the body his son. Even as this verse you referenced says, he was both Father and Son. Hence why he said things like, I and my Father are one, and if you have seen me you have seen the Father. (The Father was the eternal Spirit YHWH, and the son was the body of flesh he dwelt in.)

There is only One God - not a Trinity

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I can see you guys weren't formally taught by the church.

"Jesus is fully divine and fully human." I have no idea what that means, but it's the official stance of the church.

Samantha Rinne said:

I can see you guys weren't formally taught by the church.

"Jesus is fully divine and fully human." I have no idea what that means, but it's the official stance of the church.

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The premise is making a distinction, so it's inferring that man here is meant as just a man, not a God. Imo

That being said, the question is worded incorrectly, yes