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What is the meaning of existence?

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
There are two ways in which things exist.

They may have objective existence ─ exist outside of the self ─ and thus in principle be detectable by the senses.

Or they may be concepts, abstractions, generalizations, fictions, imaginings, delusions, hallucinations, false information, and so on, which only exist as part of an individual's mentation.

The rest I may wish to modify later, but off the top of my head ─

The halfway house between the two is the generalization. An idealized quality like 'justice' only exists as a concept in a brain, but particular real cases of conduct between humans may still be instances of justice.

And while you'll never find 'a chair' in reality (an abstraction, a mental construct), you may find 'this chair' or 'that chair' quite easily.

In the same way, abstract concepts with no external referent, as with 'mathematical objects' like 1, 2, 3, may have instantiations in reality ─ one elephant, two ducks, three blind mice.

There are no instantiations of -1, -2, -3, since they're all relative to prior situations, hence conceptual. And no instantiations of pi, √2 or other real numbers, which require an infinite precision not found in nature.

Whether instantiations of some complex numbers can properly said to be found in eg magnetic fields I'll leave to others more familiar with the material.
 

Curious George

Veteran Member
I am asking what it means to say that something 'exists'.
That it is objectively observable
How do we show something exists?
We can only assume
How do we show something does NOT exist?
Through contradiction
How does the existence of a chair in my room relate to the non-existence of Sherlock Holmes or Santa Claus?
One is an instantation of an existing concept, the other two are just existing concepts.
Is it meaningful to say that something exists if there is no way to detect it, even in theory?

Discuss.
Yes. It expresses a belief that there is an instantation of a concept despite our ability to detect that instantation. This reflects a realist as opposed to an idealist point of view.
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Doesn't this lead to a subjective view of existence?
If a phenomena is public and is observable by many, then the best explanation has to consider their joint experience. The situation is more amenable to subjectivity for more private experiences, as it should be.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I am not asking what the *purpose* of existence is or whether it has a purpose.

I am asking what it means to say that something 'exists'.

How do we show something exists?

How do we show something does NOT exist?

How does the existence of a chair in my room relate to the non-existence of Sherlock Holmes or Santa Claus?

Is it meaningful to say that something exists if there is no way to detect it, even in theory?

Discuss.
I have it all figured out (based upon observation).....

We exist.
Other stuff exists.
Stuff happens.
We react to it.

It's enuf for me.
 

Curious George

Veteran Member
If a phenomena is public and is observable by many, then the best explanation has to consider their joint experience. The situation is more amenable to subjectivity for more private experiences, as it should be.
Best entails a value judgement. This cannot then be objective.
 

Brickjectivity

wind and rain touch not this brain
Staff member
Premium Member
Mama told me when I was young
Come sit beside me, my only son
And listen closely to what I say
And if you do this
It will help you some sunny day
Take your time...don't live too fast
Troubles will come and they will pass
Go find a woman and you'll find love
And don't forget son
There is someone up above
And be a simple kind of man
Be something you love and understand
Be a simple kind of man
Won't you do this for me son
If you can?
Forget your lust for the rich man's gold
All that you need is in your soul
And you can do this if you try
All that I want for you my son
Is to be satisfied
And be a simple kind of man
Be something you love and understand
Be a simple kind of man
Won't you…
..."Be something you love and understand." I'm still working on it.
 

Rinchen

Member
I am not asking what the *purpose* of existence is or whether it has a purpose.

I am asking what it means to say that something 'exists'.

How do we show something exists?

How do we show something does NOT exist?

How does the existence of a chair in my room relate to the non-existence of Sherlock Holmes or Santa Claus?

Is it meaningful to say that something exists if there is no way to detect it, even in theory?

Discuss.

Just like anything else within our experience, it means whatever an individual wants it to mean. And it can mean different things based on subjectivity and objectivity.

Existence, and how it is defined, is simply a viewpoint, and depends on your frame of reference.
 
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