Sha'irullah
رسول الآلهة
I thought I mentioned that in the first post but yes. I have massive criticisms towards all kinds of religions, theisms and atheism.
I have no shame in ridiculing people whether or not they are family or friend.
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Losing my atheism
- Thread starter Sha'irullah
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I thought I mentioned that in the first post but yes. I have massive criticisms towards all kinds of religions, theisms and atheism.
I have no shame in ridiculing people whether or not they are family or friend.
Jumi
Well-Known Member
My experience of atheists is quite different than yours, thus the confusion your experiences cause me. In my country atheism runs pretty deep and unconnected with political parties or religions. Even among the Christian state religion's priests do we find views that are weak atheism.
This kind of peer pressure you've experienced sounds like something I kept hearing in high school due to my lack of interest in alcohol and hobbies in martial arts and programming. I have pretty much zero tolerance to that and people who try to use it when I'm around as you do.
You will find that in my posting history when I was atheist I kept talking about honor as an important quality. I have not changed my views on this. Speaking about morals, I've rarely encountered too much resistance when speaking about them from atheists or theists. My support of the death penalty has been one thing that sometimes has had both atheists and theists on their toes. I'm sometimes found defending views that I don't support which sometimes leads to confusion.
I know too little about the details of either of those moralities to make judgments. They are outside of my culture and I lack the intuition to understand why of those morals. Though Islam is getting more known due to the refugee influx. Sadly locally it's more of the strict type.
Also it is good to know we are both libertarians and lowercase libertarians as well
Blame that on my lack of grammar. I sometimes accidentally use rules that come from my native language.
Curious George
Veteran Member
In other words, is it possible that you were just latching onto atheism as a result of your dislike for religions, instead of choosing atheism for rational reasons?
Sha'irullah
رسول الآلهة
I know for certain I chose it for rational reasons and it intellectually stimulated me and gave me a strong basis for how I perceived the world. I never took religion that seriously and it was never a big deal to me until the trauma of experiencing people who really did treat it seriously. I never grew up in a home where religion was real to me, the only religious adults in my home were far beyond mentally broke that I could not value their opinions on anything.
The only reason I pondered theism again was for emotional reasons and the way I was hated by other atheists. This made me more neutral and let me step back and evaluate where I belong because I knew I would be disliked by both groups at any given moments and liked by both groups at any given moment as well.
I am more centrist in my opinions toward either side at the moment and don't wish to commit to anything. I do still feel the unshakable urge of a god or gods and the desire to go back to studying paganism and my concurrent fascination with Minerva
Yep...have to admit, when people start talking about 'atheists' it sometimes strikes me as parody.
Still, I live in a country where it's common, but not mandated. Let's you experience fully how diverse the 'group' is...
I am referring to my knowledge of atheism and I am only making claims about my experience with them.
I am actually only referring to my experience with atheists as of these posts. Most literature I have read concerning atheism is pretty bland in most regards and it only offering repetitive critique of religion. Atheism should have far more diversity than what it offers now.
I am fully aware of this but it does not change the issues I have experienced. Also about the refraining from alcohol, it has only caused great amounts of ridicule and accusations I am "not living life." It has never been a big deal hence my decision to create the list in mostly descending order as I thought it out. Technically you could split the list in half.
This has been a massive gripe for me though. Everytime I encounter a moral atheist he or she has innate human goodness yet at the same time has not developed a sense of morality beyond rudimentary basics. They immediately feel that any moral decision that is similar to what is deemed religiously moral makes it invalid. Yet if this same morality was religious yet non-Christian or non-Abrahamic it would raise few eyebrows.
I blame this mostly on Western aversion to Christianity and atheists lack of understanding on the universality of morality and its spread through religion. So few of them understand that Dharmic morality is FAR more stricter than Christian or Islam which is why Islam thrived in India upon arrival as i was less restrive.
I do not few atheists as immoral but I do view quite a few of them as morally immature. I cannot tell if this is due to age or other factors because statistically atheists tend to be younger than the average population and on top of this even young religious individuals have the same problem.
Also it is good to know we are both libertarians and lowercase libertarians as well
*blinks*
You really should come to Oz...or New Zealand, or something.
You seem to be falling into the trap of those you dislike.
(ie making something of atheism, when in truth it's bugger all)
Anywhoos...good luck with what you seek.
DavidFirth
Well-Known Member
I guess we have about 4 billion gods on this planet, then. Hmm.
Must....be....pedantic......
Landlords have "tenants".
Believers have "tenets".
And "schematics"....
the definition of schematic
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I think god is very very tiny. ;0)
On the one hand I can definitely relate to the atheists can be jerks part. Lack of theism doesn't mean that one is particularly civil. There's plenty of hypocritical and self-righteous atheists out there.
Try being a gay male atheist who is socially conservative to the point of prudish, and also very prolife. Yikes.
But that said, the clip from your OP doesn't make sense to me. Along with the other posts on this thread, it sounds like: "I have met bald people who I didn't like, so I shaved off the remnants of my baldness." It's just kinda nonsensical. You might not like being bald, so you grow your hair back or get a hairpiece. But you don't shed the lack of hair or lack of theism.
Tom
Sha'irullah
رسول الآلهة
I have met an equal amount of both sides which is why I am stepping back from the us versus them mentality
. I have had more than enough time to reevaluate what I believe and where I stand.LOL I know good and well no such things exists . . . right?Try being a gay male atheist who is socially conservative to the point of prudish, and also very prolife. Yikes.
True true, but I admit my original post is very emotionally riddled. It is not my shining moment of wisdom or anything of that nature.
But it definitely is my affirmation to not being an atheist though or at least not caring about the word or how I identify. Much of what I have to say and argue is that I no longer find interest in atheism yet alone value in it. It has been emotionally damaging to me because I strongly hate labels and atheism as is understood in the west entails a whole hearted set of ism's like irreligion, naturalism and materialism. None of which I ever agreed with as an atheist at any point in my life.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I don't know if there is a god, gods, or none of the above, but either way I appreciate both the opportunity to live, plus an appreciation for there being religions that I do believe at least honestly try to understand how everything got here. I go with my wife to her church, and I do appreciate being there even though there's very little that I can participate in during the service. Nevertheless, I do get involved in other activities there.
DavidFirth
Well-Known Member
DavidFirth
Well-Known Member
I think it's super that you go with your wife even though you're agnostic. By supporting and respecting her beliefs you are being a good husband.
Sha'irullah
رسول الآلهة
Circles are awesome as they show infinity in a very concrete way. Circles have extremely divine qualities and are prefect representations of the absoluteness of divine will.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Well it's a givin "creation" starts at the molecular level.You'll forgive me, I trust, if I think your thinking is very very tiny.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Thanks, and she's been a model of morality for me since she's always been a very devout Catholic, and we celebrated our 50th anniversary last March. I definitely married up!
DavidFirth
Well-Known Member
Actually it isn't according to Gen. 1.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Well you believe your created by God don't you?
Are you saying life for you didn't start with very tiny cells, or that elements arranging into molecules didnt bring about everything in existence?
Genesis is completely wrong if you want to compare it with the actuality of how everything came about. Very very tiny. You came about that way too.