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Is atheism a type of satanism?

Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

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syncretic said:
On rf, 'satanism' and 'luciferianism', are generally the same thing. If you want to make that further distinction, that would be fine.
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No, they aren't. Satanist follow Satan, whereas to a Luciferian Lucifer is followed, and may-or-may-not be considered the same being as Satan (it tends to vary from one Luciferian to another, with myself taking the approach they are two different beings).
 
RESOLUTION

RESOLUTION

Active Member
Corvus said:
So would a Muslim be to a Christan or visa versa. Since they have different Gods and messengers and messages. So on that basis, I laugh. In fact if someone doesn't believe in your God, or version of God, then he/she may as well be an atheist. The irony...
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Do we take God seriously? Do you think is ironic that if God is true and there is just one God, that impact it has on the whole of the world is serious?
There is no Christian, really. Christian - was an insult given to those who believed in Christ ( by their persecutors) when they were being put to death and persecuted for their belief.
All who believe in Christ have become part of the Abrahamic faith which God has made a final covenant so all who believe what he has said about his Son the Messiah can be saved.
It is ironic that even now in your post you understand the Jewish faith and promise of a Messiah well enough to know that those who believe what God says, live according to his word
in the OT about the Messiah.


It is about TRUTH...First and foremost. Is it ironic that there is one God? Is it ironic that you understand there is one God?
What is more ironic the choice you have not to believe or knowing what you do and not wanting to believe?
How we see things is really our own choice and our own versions of truth. If you do not believe in any God then why would be ironic to you?
 
Corvus

Corvus

Feathered eyeball connoisseur
RESOLUTION said:
It is ironic that even now in your post you understand the Jewish faith and promise of a Messiah well enough to know that those who believe what God says, live according to his word
in the OT about the Messiah.
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I have no idea what you are talking about, sorry. Every religion has it's message and messengers. Judaism or Christianity is not special in that regard.
 
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Corvus

Corvus

Feathered eyeball connoisseur
RESOLUTION said:
It is about TRUTH...First and foremost. Is it ironic that there is one God? Is it ironic that you understand there is one God?
What is more ironic the choice you have not to believe or knowing what you do and not wanting to believe?
How we see things is really our own choice and our own versions of truth. If you do not believe in any God then why would be ironic to you?
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Again this is meaninglessly illogical to me. I haven't got a clue what your point is.
 
Corvus

Corvus

Feathered eyeball connoisseur
RESOLUTION said:
There is no Christian, really. Christian - was an insult given to those who believed in Christ ( by their persecutors) when they were being put to death and persecuted for their belief.
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i don't blame them sometimes. I find it very difficult to not feel hostility toward Christians and other assorted God botherers myself. I am here as a kind of over exposure treatment. To learn to understand theists and be more objective when dealing with them, usually I instantly dismiss them and refuse to have any social interaction of any kind on any level, with them. Which for personal reasons relating to family is problematic.
 
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BilliardsBall

BilliardsBall

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Corvus said:
You denigrate science, if it wasn't for our scientific and technological advances you would might very well be dead by now. How did you think we fertilize our crops to feed billions, where did you think we obtained the ability to genetically modify crops, to develop pesticides that would otherwise starve us, what do you think is the basis for all vaccines medicines surgical procedures and therapies, how else would you post your absurd notions online without the application of the scientific method, how do you think almost every aspect of your creature comforts come about, from heating to electricity to appliances to everything in your world? If anything deserves your worship, it is science. Not some figment of someone else's delusion.
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It is not denigrating science to say that man currently remains unable to provide peace on Earth or absence from sin.

The real issue is your "science deserves worship" since since inductively observes God's creation. From Romans 1:

Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
 
BilliardsBall

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
Corvus said:
In other words you don't know.

PS God is not the strong nuclear force.




It was zero. Since the positive energy of the universe in the form of matter/energy is precisely equal to the negative gravitational energy of the universe.
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How do you know God is not resident within the strong nuclear force? God is within all, He "fills all in all" as the scriptures describe.

Your answer regarding the zero to universe mass is equivocating. Are you proposing a preexistent singularity or an eternal universe?
 
RESOLUTION

RESOLUTION

Active Member
Corvus said:
I have no idea what you are talking about, sorry. Every religion has it's message and messengers. Judaism or Christianity is not special in that regard.
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What proof and what knowledge do you have to show to prove yourself? I have studied other religions and I can tell you that there is no religion where a God has done what the God of the Jews had done.

No example of any other God having actually done anything he said he would.

I can give an example: The God of Abraham, promised him descendants and all over the world. The Jews are just that. He promised to bless all nations through his Messiah, he has done just that. But more importantly Abraham is still remembered today. Everyone knows God gave Abraham the Land.
We see everything God has said has come to pass. Do you really believe in the face of evidence that any other religion is really as special as those with covenants from God in the Abrahamic faiths?

I don't agree with you. I do not believe there is any evidence to support what you have stated.
 
RESOLUTION

RESOLUTION

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Corvus said:
Again this is meaninglessly illogical to me. I haven't got a clue what your point is.
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Subterfuge.... in reality it is not meaningless or illogical. The simple truth and honest fact is you have no knowledge of the things you are discussing to do with religion. But that is ok, not everyone does. But it is important not to make excuses when you can simply study them for yourself.
 
RESOLUTION

RESOLUTION

Active Member
Corvus said:
i don't blame them sometimes. I find it very difficult to not feel hostility toward Christians and other assorted God botherers myself. I am here as a kind of over exposure treatment.
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Over exposure to what? It certainly is not to Christianity or even Judaism because previous posts show you lacked knowledge to support the statements you make.


To learn to understand theists and be more objective when dealing with them, usually I instantly dismiss them and refuse to have any social interaction of any kind on any level, with them. Which for personal reasons relating to family is problematic.
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I don't allow 'the faith' or 'lack of faith' which has person has, to rule how I behave towards them.
I believe we all have choices and the choice of faith or lack of it, does not make us bad people.
How we behave towards others should be about doing the right thing.
The problem with the world is that it believes that bad behaviour can sometimes be excused because
of differing beliefs.
I am sorry to hear about your dilemma.
 
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Desert Snake

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Shadow Wolf said:
No, they aren't. Satanist follow Satan, whereas to a Luciferian Lucifer is followed, and may-or-may-not be considered the same being as Satan (it tends to vary from one Luciferian to another, with myself taking the approach they are two different beings).
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This is semantics, and my thread regarding this subject, 'satanism, luciferian, or both', basically implies the the "differences", aren't really that real. They seem to be semantics.

Whether I personally would consider you a satanist, is aside the from the general inference, really.
 
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Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
syncretic said:
Whether I personally would consider you a satanist, is aside the from the general inference, really.
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It still adds strong evidence that other people find it more important that religious definitions and descriptions and labels be applied to me than what I do for myself. Call me whatever, you won't be the first to assume and be wrong, nor the last.
 
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Desert Snake

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Shadow Wolf said:
It still adds strong evidence that other people find it more important that religious definitions and descriptions and labels be applied to me than what I do for myself. Call me whatever, you won't be the first to assume and be wrong, nor the last.
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I'm not calling you anything, you're calling yourself an atheist and a luciferian.
 
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