The Bible declares that Jesus is God

metis · Jul 20, 2017

An argument that can be made based on the scriptures, especially Paul's, is that Jesus was an angel that was sent by God or volunteered to go to Earth and be crucified, thus elevating him above all angels. The argument goes that since Adam's sin brought death, Jesus' sacrifice brought life.

Rick B · Jul 20, 2017

kjw47 said:
It is not calling Jesus God at Heb 1:8-12--- it clearly shows Jesus has a God,
Companions mentioned are angels--Michael is Jesus.

Psalm 102:25-28 NWT
Long ago you laid the foundations of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of your hands.+
26 They will perish, but you will remain;
Just like a garment they will all wear out.
Just like clothing you will replace them, and they will pass away.
27 But you are the same, and your years will never end.+
28 The children of your servants will dwell securely,
And their offspring will be firmly established before you.”+

Hebrews 1:8-12 NWT
8 But about the Son, he says: “God is your throne+ forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness.* 9 You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you+ with the oil of exultation more than your companions.”+ 10 And: “At the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the works of your hands. 11 They will perish, but you will remain; and just like a garment, they will all wear out, 12 and you will wrap them up just as a cloak, as a garment, and they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will never come to an end.”+

The issue of the grammar Hebrews 1:8-12 must first be addressed.

In verse 8 the "he" who is speaking is God the Father. Between the quotation marks are His statements. From the beginning of the quotation mark in verse 8 to the end of verse 9, where the first statement of God the Father ends with the closed quote it is spoken to the Son. Verse 10 begins with the conjunction "and" connecting the next quotation. There is no change of the subject speaking - the Father or the object spoken to - the Son. God the Father is still addressing the Son to the end of verse 12. You are correct stating that Psalm 102:25-27 is attributed to YHWH, Jehovah God and to Him alone. Your own Bible translation properly uses the English grammatical construction and yet, because of the bias of one's tradition, one does not see the clear and plain English language right before their eyes. I only ask that you would reread this section and reconsider your assumption according to what is written.

Riders · Jul 20, 2017

djhwoodwerks said:
Are you a scholar, or are you just repeating what you heard someone say their sisters boyfriends cousins uncle told them?

I am repeating however I don't read 2000 year old religious texts with the idea they are the perfect word of God.

Sense the old testament was written 5000 years ago not written actually but a story told over and over brought down through generations expecting it to be the word of God taken literally 5000 years later is insane.

It doesn't belong in this generation or culture . The language and culture was so different that there's no real way to translate it correctly.But there is good stuff in the bible.

It waz passed Down as stories told over and over 5000 years ago so no I do consider the bible proof that Jesus is God.The msn God idea in the bible is a blown up myth that went against a lot of the scripture in the old testament.

Paul started a lot of the man God myths.Christians are Paulites.

Rick B · Jul 20, 2017

Riders said:
I am repeating however I don't read 2000 year old religious texts with the idea they are the perfect word of God.

Sense the old testament was written 5000 years ago not written actually but a story told over and over brought down through generations expecting it to be the word of God taken literally 5000 years later is insane.

It doesn't belong in this generation or culture . The language and culture was so different that there's no real way to translate it correctly.But there is good stuff in the bible.

It waz passed Down as stories told over and over 5000 years ago so no I do consider the bible proof that Jesus is God.The msn God idea in the bible is a blown up myth that went against a lot of the scripture in the old testament.

Paul started a lot of the man God myths.Christians are Paulites.

What color is the sky in your world?

djhwoodwerks · Jul 20, 2017

Riders said:
But there is good stuff in the bible.

It waz passed Down as stories told over and over 5000 years ago

So you think it's a good book to sit down snuggled in a blankie with a cup of tea to read?

djhwoodwerks · Jul 20, 2017

Riders said:
Paul started a lot of the man God myths.

Is that another quote you heard someone say, or have you studied Paul's teachings yourself?

kjw47 · Jul 20, 2017

Rick B said:
Psalm 102:25-28 NWT
Long ago you laid the foundations of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of your hands.+
26 They will perish, but you will remain;
Just like a garment they will all wear out.
Just like clothing you will replace them, and they will pass away.
27 But you are the same, and your years will never end.+
28 The children of your servants will dwell securely,
And their offspring will be firmly established before you.”+

Hebrews 1:8-12 NWT
8 But about the Son, he says: “God is your throne+ forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness.* 9 You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you+ with the oil of exultation more than your companions.”+ 10 And: “At the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the works of your hands. 11 They will perish, but you will remain; and just like a garment, they will all wear out, 12 and you will wrap them up just as a cloak, as a garment, and they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will never come to an end.”+

The issue of the grammar Hebrews 1:8-12 must first be addressed.

In verse 8 the "he" who is speaking is God the Father. Between the quotation marks are His statements. From the beginning of the quotation mark in verse 8 to the end of verse 9, where the first statement of God the Father ends with the closed quote it is spoken to the Son. Verse 10 begins with the conjunction "and" connecting the next quotation. There is no change of the subject speaking - the Father or the object spoken to - the Son. God the Father is still addressing the Son to the end of verse 12. You are correct stating that Psalm 102:25-27 is attributed to YHWH, Jehovah God and to Him alone. Your own Bible translation properly uses the English grammatical construction and yet, because of the bias of one's tradition, one does not see the clear and plain English language right before their eyes. I only ask that you would reread this section and reconsider your assumption according to what is written.

Facts of reality prove Jesus is not God. Jesus proves it when he calls the Father( one who sent him-John 5:30)John 17:3) The only true God. Either Jesus is lying or trinity teachers are lying. We all must choose who we believe. Paul believed Jesus-1Cor 8:6

Rick B · Jul 20, 2017

Magus said:
The Tal Dan is not contemporary to 'King David' but written by Aramean victors 150 years later.

The name written is 'bytdwd' , dwd is not a name, but a title, meaning Beloved, also why is there no word divider in 'bytdwd', it is more likely an epithet of a deity.

King David reigned between 1010-970 BCE, Solomon between 970 to 931 BCE

Evidence dating between 1010 BCE to 931 BCE ?

How does an Empire leave no evidence of its existence?

The "wailing wall" is still in existence. When you consider Jerusalem's history (including the many times it was sacked) it's no wonder there is such a lack of physical evidence. The discovery of the Tel Dan Inscription ca. 9th century BC is extremely remarkable evidence all things considered.

Jerusalem, the “city of peace,” has certainly known its share of sorrow and war. Since it sits at the crossroads of the ancient world and is held in high esteem by three major religions, it has been involved in wars throughout most of its 3,000+ year history. When archaeologists first began excavating in the city, they were surprised to discover layer after layer of rubble, indicating that parts of Jerusalem had been destroyed at least 40 times. The layers of rubble in some places are more than 60 feet deep!

According to Eric Cline, in his book Jerusalem Besieged: From Ancient Canaan to Modern Israel, Jerusalem has been the subject of at least 118 conflicts over the years, beginning with one in 1350 BC between Abdi-Heba, the ruler of Jerusalem, and a people he called the “Habiru.” In his letter to the king of Egypt (one of the Amarna tablets), he asks for help because all of the surrounding country has been captured by the Habiru. This corresponds well with the record found in Joshua 10 and frames the beginning of Israel's control of Jerusalem. Cline states that the city was completely destroyed at least twice, once by the Babylonians under Nebuchadnezzar (2 Kings 25:8-10) and again by the Romans under Titus in AD 70. The Mongols destroyed at least a portion of the city around AD 1260, and the Roman emperor Hadrian destroyed it in AD 135. In addition, the city was captured at least 40 times and besieged at least 23 times. How many times has Jerusalem been destroyed?

Your demand for "contemporary" evidence under such circumstances seems to me to be an extraordinary sine qua non.

Rick B · Jul 20, 2017

kjw47 said:
Facts of reality prove Jesus is not God. Jesus proves it when he calls the Father( one who sent him-John 5:30)John 17:3) The only true God. Either Jesus is lying or trinity teachers are lying. We all must choose who we believe. Paul believed Jesus-1Cor 8:6

So you simply refuse to engage those texts, which are in your own version of the Bible, because they clearly demonstrate that your assertions are false. You run and parrot the dogma you've been indoctrinated with and deceive yourself in believing that nobody notices. Well whoever is reading these posts see your self-deception and inability to embrace the truth and believe the lie: "Did God really say" Genesis 3:1. Jesus said: "If you believe not that I AM (Jesus was equating Himself with the "I AM" title God gave Himself in Exodus 3:14.) you will die in your sins." John 8:14
And He sees.

Magus · Jul 20, 2017

The Western Wall in Jerusalem as nothing to do with the fictional Temple of Solomon, in matter of fact it is a ROMAN Wall , part of the Temple of Jupiter in 'Aelia Capitolina'

The Temple of Solomon as never being found.

djhwoodwerks · Jul 20, 2017

Rick B said:
Psalm 102:25-28 NWT
Long ago you laid the foundations of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of your hands.+
26 They will perish, but you will remain;
Just like a garment they will all wear out.
Just like clothing you will replace them, and they will pass away.
27 But you are the same, and your years will never end.+
28 The children of your servants will dwell securely,
And their offspring will be firmly established before you.”+

Hebrews 1:8-12 NWT
8 But about the Son, he says: “God is your throne+ forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness.* 9 You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you+ with the oil of exultation more than your companions.”+ 10 And: “At the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the works of your hands. 11 They will perish, but you will remain; and just like a garment, they will all wear out, 12 and you will wrap them up just as a cloak, as a garment, and they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will never come to an end.”+

The issue of the grammar Hebrews 1:8-12 must first be addressed.

In verse 8 the "he" who is speaking is God the Father. Between the quotation marks are His statements. From the beginning of the quotation mark in verse 8 to the end of verse 9, where the first statement of God the Father ends with the closed quote it is spoken to the Son. Verse 10 begins with the conjunction "and" connecting the next quotation. There is no change of the subject speaking - the Father or the object spoken to - the Son. God the Father is still addressing the Son to the end of verse 12. You are correct stating that Psalm 102:25-27 is attributed to YHWH, Jehovah God and to Him alone. Your own Bible translation properly uses the English grammatical construction and yet, because of the bias of one's tradition, one does not see the clear and plain English language right before their eyes. I only ask that you would reread this section and reconsider your assumption according to what is written.

kjw47 said:
Facts of reality prove Jesus is not God. Jesus proves it when he calls the Father( one who sent him-John 5:30)John 17:3) The only true God. Either Jesus is lying or trinity teachers are lying. We all must choose who we believe. Paul believed Jesus-1Cor 8:6

kjw47, I think you should address the scriptures Rick presented you, instead of being afraid you might see the truth!

metis · Jul 20, 2017

Magus said:
The Western Wall in Jerusalem as nothing to do with the fictional Temple of Solomon, in matter of fact it is a ROMAN Wall , part of the Temple of Jupiter in 'Aelia Capitolina'

It is the outer retaining wall. I've walked the wall on the top, at ground level, and underneath, and it is the wall to the Temple without doubt. The Roman occupation took place around 4+ centuries later, so it simply could not even begin to qualify.

Now, what is not known with any certainty is when exactly it was built, but archaeologists do not think it's likely to be during Solomon's time but maybe 2-3 centuries later during Josiah's time. However, some soil samples indicate it might go as far back as the 9th century b.c.e.

Riders · Jul 20, 2017

djhwoodwerks said:
So you think it's a good book to sit down snuggled in a blankie with a cup of tea to read?

What a lame reply.It doesn't surprise me coming from someone who believes the bible to be the perfect word of God.

If I read the bible as a spiritual bible of the Jewish religion like I would the Bhagavad Gita Hindu bible it's a great spiritual guide.

If I leave out the .hths added to it about Jesus being God and read it as a spiritual guide it's a great book.

I forget that Christians who the bible is the perfect word of God think they're the only ones who read the bible.How nardcisistic of you to be taken up in your own little world enough to think that your the only ones who read the bible.

That's typical though.That so very far from the truth of the real world. There is actually a world that exists outside of your little church you know.

Riders · Jul 20, 2017

djhwoodwerks said:
Is that another quote you heard someone say, or have you studied Paul's teachings yourself?

A qoute I heard?I do actually read A lot of stuff I pick up here. I actually call it reading and educating myself.You got a problem with people reading up about the bible?OMG.

Magus · Jul 20, 2017

metis said:
It is the outer retaining wall. I've walked the wall on the top, at ground level, and underneath, and it is the wall to the Temple without doubt. The Roman occupation took place around 4+ centuries later, so it simply could not even begin to qualify.

Now, what is not known with any certainty is when exactly it was built, but archaeologists do not think it's likely to be during Solomon's time but maybe 2-3 centuries later during Josiah's time. However, some soil samples indicate it might go as far back as the 9th century b.c.e.

There is no evidence at all that the Western Wall is part of 'Solomon's Temple', it is a 'ROMAN' Wall with the same design ques as Baalbek (another Roman Temple)

No evidence at all for the Temple of Solomon at all, not even a brick.

Riders · Jul 20, 2017

I've had several comments about the only Real Christians all believe in the Trinity and why would I read the bible sense I'm not Christian.

Basically y'all are saying the only ones allowed to read the bible and interpret it are conservative Christians .Then the only Real Christians that exist are the ones who interpret the bible exactly like me.

Wow self preoccupied Christians who think the world evolves around them and their little church.

I've got a shocking news flash for you. There are many Chriistians out there who disagree with you don't believe in the Trinity and whoa shock many Christians and non Christians who read the bible.

When you can speak to me without talking down to me because I don't belong to your circle and with respect I'll debate some more.i am a freaking human being and I'm aloud to have an opinion.

djhwoodwerks · Jul 20, 2017

Riders said:
If I leave out the .hths added to it about Jesus being God and read it as a spiritual guide it's a great book.

Lol, if you leave out the things you can't understand, then it's a "great spiritual guide"?

Riders · Jul 20, 2017

I understand completely that the bible isn't perfect.I also understand it's not written for this generation or this cultute.So yes I do only read what I understand in the bible.

If I read it all the way through word for word with the idea that it's perfect I'd be brainwashed like you.

I don't need to memorize scripture I don't understand and there's no way for this generation to undetstand.many Christians spout out scripture robotically as if they were brainwashed robots that's not me.

metis · Jul 20, 2017

Magus said:
There is no evidence at all that the Western Wall is part of 'Solomon's Temple', it is a 'ROMAN' Wall with the same design ques as Baalbek (another Roman Temple)

Did you actually read what I wrote?

Also, just because Temple A may have some similarities with Temple B doesn't mean that who built A must have built B.

Again, you have an "agenda", and why you post such garbage as the above only cheapens your message. I'm an anthropologist, and I've studied the research, and like I said in my last post there is an uncertainty as to exactly when the Temple was built. However, there simply is no way possible that it could have been built by the Romans, so let me recommend you get off your agenda and actually do some serious studying. Even the Wiki article on this is halfway decent:
Solomon's Temple - Wikipedia

Rick B · Jul 20, 2017

Riders said:
I understand completely that the bible isn't perfect.I also understand it's not written for this generation or this cultute.So yes I do only read what I understand in the bible.

If I read it all the way through word for word with the idea that it's perfect I'd be brainwashed like you.

I don't need to memorize scripture I don't understand and there's no way for this generation to undetstand.many Christians spout out scripture robotically as if they were brainwashed robots that's not me.

Please go away.

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