How are these Great Beings explained?

loverofhumanity · Jul 20, 2017

CG Didymus said:
There are obvious laws in Judaism. Laws that were specific to the Hebrews people from their God. Christianity, mostly because of Paul, don't follow most of those laws that were supposedly given by God. The ones they do follow could be defined as those eternal spiritual laws, but did Jesus bring new social laws that would take humanity to the next level? And, can you give some examples of what you consider new social laws that Jesus brought? Thanks.

Jesus to me brought a new spirit not so much a new social order like Muhammad or Baha'u'llah. His strength and Teachings lie in the fact that He emphasised heavenly virtues and the way we should treat each other. Even today, if we all followed what He taught this world would be a paradise.

Vinayaka · Jul 20, 2017

loverofhumanity said:
Jesus to me brought a new spirit not so much a new social order like Muhammad or Baha'u'llah. His strength and Teachings lie in the fact that He emphasised heavenly virtues and the way we should treat each other. Even today, if we all followed what He taught this world would be a paradise.

LH, from what you know, did Jesus say anything about the people of the east? (I mean Hindus, but we weren't known as Hindus then) I know his followers, at least many of them, have a very negative view of my religion, calling it the religion of the devil, harmful, anti-idol worship, and all that stuff. Since your prophet didn't say much at all, and his grandson was both wrong about it and quite incomplete, what can I assume about something over 2000 years ago.

I know about the myth that Christ studied in India, but that's about it. That, from my POV is just a myth.

Personally, I just assume nothing, and from what I can tell the Baha'i' just assume all positivity. So I'm wondering if there is anything at all. Maybe Didymus knows something too. Thanks in advance.

loverofhumanity · Jul 20, 2017

Two things.

Firstly, can someone provide me please with a link to the Upanishads?

Secondly. There are many claims. But what is essential and how I see this is like this, one can make all the claims in the world and they can be argued back and forth but are they relevant for this age?

What do we're need for this age an international age?

loverofhumanity · Jul 20, 2017

Vinayaka said:
LH, from what you know, did Jesus say anything about the people of the east? (I mean Hindus, but we weren't known as Hindus then) I know his followers, at least many of them, have a very negative view of my religion, calling it the religion of the devil, harmful, anti-idol worship, and all that stuff. Since your prophet didn't say much at all, and his grandson was both wrong about it and quite incomplete, what can I assume about something over 2000 years ago.

I know about the myth that Christ studied in India, but that's about it. That, from my POV is just a myth.

Personally, I just assume nothing, and from what I can tell the Baha'i' just assume all positivity. So I'm wondering if there is anything at all. Maybe Didymus knows something too. Thanks in advance.

All I know and that's not a terrible lot, is that Christ initially taught to love all people, however, Christians went away from these teachings and while professing them verbally, they have failed, as you can see, to love their fellow Hindu brother. All people are human beings so Christ did not say love only Christians but meant every human being we come across.

However the priests and clergy have politicised and segmented His original Teqchings to infer anyone who is not a follower of Christ is more or less an infidel like the Muslims believe,

The original Educators and Teachers only taught good not hate or evil. This is why, we believe, religion is renewed in each age as it spiritually withers and dies over time although it's outward form remains but it no longer gives true light.

With so many religions in the world today we should have peace b y now but are all these religions spiritually alive or just political organisations? One cannot kill and hate and maintain one is religious yet many do so is this real religion we see today or maybe it's death?

Is there not a need for the renewal of the true spirit of love and fellowship amongst men?

So Jesus included all men when He said to love thy neighbour enemies and that includes people of all Faiths and Hindus most definitely. A Christian who does not love a Hindu is no Christian.

Vinayaka · Jul 20, 2017

loverofhumanity said:
All I know and that's not a terrible lot, is that Christ initially taught to love all people, however, Christians went away from these teachings and while professing them verbally, they have failed, as you can see, to love their fellow Hindu brother. All people are human beings so Christ did not say love only Christians but meant every human being we come across.

However the priests and clergy have politicised and segmented His original Teqchings to infer anyone who is not a follower of Christ is more or less an infidel like the Muslims believe,

The original Educators and Teachers only taught good not hate or evil. This is why, we believe, religion is renewed in each age as it spiritually withers and dies over time although it's outward form remains but it no longer gives true light.

With so many religions in the world today we should have peace b y now but are all these religions spiritually alive or just political organisations? One cannot kill and hate and maintain one is religious yet many do so is this real religion we see today or maybe it's death?

Is there not a need for the renewal of the true spirit of love and fellowship amongst men?

So Jesus included all men when He said to love thy neighbour enemies and that includes people of all Faiths and Hindus most definitely. A Christian who does not love a Hindu is no Christian.

Thank you. It's about what I figured. I'm still far more undecided, 'I don't know' about it than you, but that's fine. Best to say little, when you know little.

loverofhumanity · Jul 20, 2017

Vinayaka said:
Thank you. It's about what I figured. I'm still far more undecided, 'I don't know' about it than you, but that's fine. Best to say little, when you know little.

You are spiritually enlightened enough not to be fooled by clever dialogue but you look to deeds to see the real truth.

RoaringSilence · Jul 20, 2017

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loverofhumanity said:
All I know and that's not a terrible lot, is that Christ initially taught to love all people, however, Christians went away from these teachings and while professing them verbally, they have failed, as you can see, to love their fellow Hindu brother. All people are human beings so Christ did not say love only Christians but meant every human being we come across.

However the priests and clergy have politicised and segmented His original Teqchings to infer anyone who is not a follower of Christ is more or less an infidel like the Muslims believe,

The original Educators and Teachers only taught good not hate or evil. This is why, we believe, religion is renewed in each age as it spiritually withers and dies over time although it's outward form remains but it no longer gives true light.

With so many religions in the world today we should have peace b y now but are all these religions spiritually alive or just political organisations? One cannot kill and hate and maintain one is religious yet many do so is this real religion we see today or maybe it's death?

Is there not a need for the renewal of the true spirit of love and fellowship amongst men?

So Jesus included all men when He said to love thy neighbour enemies and that includes people of all Faiths and Hindus most definitely. A Christian who does not love a Hindu is no Christian.

if you intend to use the solution to peace to establish govt. that is a wrong approach. its important to not use god for government.
the reason for creation in hinduism is different from abrahanic.
god is for personal peace or evolving /expanding consciousness not imposed worship or govt...
you have to Improve and evolve people of the planet to self govern. without imposing with god stick. if you do that you will make the purpose of creation worship..and slavery.
make people better with knowledge not by how to worship..to get freedom...and free wine and women in heaven.
just look at the stats of number of believing abrhamics in science ..the more scientefic they are the more they reject abrahamic..which is opposite in dharmic.
if reason for creation=worship..then why even bother making earth better?

YOU DONT EVEN NEED ww3 to end world.. just convert the 3 billion dharmic to eat beef and the world will collapse with methane in a day.

Vinayaka · Jul 20, 2017

loverofhumanity said:
You are spiritually enlightened enough not to be fooled by clever dialogue but you look to deeds to see the real truth.

Yes I do look to deeds. Unfortunately some people see certain deeds as helpful, whereas I'd see them as harmful. It's complicated. A few examples are proselytising/sharing, (some people view it as helpful, I don't) vegetarianism, and outright charity without teaching anything. Life on this planet is never simple.

RoaringSilence · Jul 20, 2017

you need to get a taste of what it means to evolve..and that will happen when you find the secrets of hinduism..once you see what bliss really means..your whole paradigm would change.

On one hand we have teens crying for the next video game ..and look at this boy ...why does he do it? why does he not go buy burger and be happy?

Vinayaka · Jul 20, 2017

loverofhumanity said:
You are spiritually enlightened enough not to be fooled by clever dialogue but you look to deeds to see the real truth.

Another stark difference in paradigms ... obviously the term 'enlightened' means very different things to you and to me, and to the dharmic, versus Abrahamic paradigms.

RoaringSilence · Jul 20, 2017

would it not be easy for any hindu to just give up and convert to islam ..get 4 wifes marry permit , get to eat meat ..and all you have to do is worship 4-5 times..its easy and simple.. but why we don't? why would any sane man in today's world not take the easy way ..just do these 4-5 things and you get a free entry to heaven..why even bother walking x /y/z path? and there is 0 compulsion in hindu to worship..anything at all..everyone is free.. its BY CHOICE we do it.

i gave up meat ..i know what craving means...its easy to just do it..and get ticket to heaven too...and wine and women in heaven..why not? why decline?? think about it..why take the harder way...

Vinayaka · Jul 20, 2017

RS, it's easy to do a lot of things. Whether or not it's wise another matter altogether. There are already enough conversions by force without us volunteering, lol.

TransmutingSoul · Jul 20, 2017

Vinayaka said:
Thank you. It's about what I figured. I'm still far more undecided, 'I don't know' about it than you, but that's fine. Best to say little, when you know little.

This timeless bible passage is the answer to the question about Jesus the Christ mentioning other Faiths. To me it is as clear this talks about other Religions of God and not a divided Christianity; John 10:15"just as the Father knows Me and I know the Father. And I lay down My life for the sheep.16I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them in as well, and they will listen to My voice. Then there will be one flock and one shepherd..."

Christ says He is the 'First and the Last', the 'I AM', this is another way of saying I AM Krishna. It is the Spirit of God in these given Messengers that we all find our Faith and Truth from. The more we partake of that Light, the more we reflect the Light that is of God and not of man.

Be well, be happy regards Tony

TransmutingSoul · Jul 20, 2017

Vinayaka said:
LH, from what you know, did Jesus say anything about the people of the east? (I mean Hindus, but we weren't known as Hindus then) I know his followers, at least many of them, have a very negative view of my religion, calling it the religion of the devil, harmful, anti-idol worship, and all that stuff. Since your prophet didn't say much at all, and his grandson was both wrong about it and quite incomplete, what can I assume about something over 2000 years ago.

I know about the myth that Christ studied in India, but that's about it. That, from my POV is just a myth.

Personally, I just assume nothing, and from what I can tell the Baha'i' just assume all positivity. So I'm wondering if there is anything at all. Maybe Didymus knows something too. Thanks in advance.

I also consider this part of the Bible, this is very Important as to who can call themselves a True Christian, this advice covers all Faiths;

Romans 12:9-21
Marks of the True Christian
"9 Let love be genuine. Abhor what is evil; hold fast to what is good. 10 Love one another with brotherly affection. Outdo one another in showing honor. 11 Do not be slothful in zeal, be fervent in spirit,serve the Lord. 12 Rejoice in hope, be patient in tribulation, be constant in prayer. 13 Contribute to the needs of the saints and seek to show hospitality. 14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse them. 15 Rejoice with those who rejoice, weep with those who weep. 16 Live in harmony with one another. Do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly. Never be wise in your own sight. 17 Repay no one evil for evil, but give thought to do what is honorable in the sight of all. 18 If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all. 19 Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” 20 To the contrary, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.” 21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good."

Regards Tony

Vinayaka · Jul 20, 2017

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
This timeless bible passage is the answer to the question about Jesus the Christ mentioning other Faiths. To me it is as clear this talks about other Religions of God and not a divided Christianity; John 10:15"just as the Father knows Me and I know the Father. And I lay down My life for the sheep.16I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them in as well, and they will listen to My voice. Then there will be one flock and one shepherd..."

No wonder Christians think it is their duty to proselytize with quotes like that. How very disturbing! But it's good to know the anti-Hindu hate has a basis. I didn't know that before. Thanks for sharing.

Vinayaka · Jul 20, 2017

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
I also consider this part of the Bible, this is very Important as to who can call themselves a True Christian,

From what I've seen every denomination of Christianity considers themselves the true path, and the rest false. Glad I'm not a Christian.

TransmutingSoul · Jul 20, 2017

Vinayaka said:
No wonder Christians think it is their duty to proselytize with quotes like that. How very disturbing! But it's good to know the anti-Hindu hate has a basis. I didn't know that before. Thanks for sharing.

I think it is good to consider that passage has nothing to do with Hate, nor of proselytizing an unwanted conversion

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It says to me that One day the Hindu Sheep will come to see the Truth of What Christ taught. Where does our motivation come from to pursue all that is good? Some say God, some say self, but with all of us and in the end, it comes down to making a choice.

Regards Tony

Vinayaka · Jul 20, 2017

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
I think it is good to consider that passage has nothing to do with Hate, nor of proselytizing an unwanted conversion .

It says to me that One day the Hindu Sheep will come to see the Truth of What Christ taught. Where does our motivation come from to pursue all that is good? Some say God, some say self, but with all of us and in the end, it comes down to making a choice.

Regards Tony

Tony, I don't believe in Christ, or prophets. Did you forget that again? I agree the passage has nothing to do with hate, but that doesn't mean it's not used to support hate by some well meaning but misguided folks. Himmler used the Bhagavad Gita to support Hitler's brutality, and he thought Hitler was Kalki. So in the hands of certain people, things can get, shall we say, severely distorted. I prefer not having to deal with interpretation at all. Going in and meditating, seeing inner light, listening to the wise dharmic sages, that eliminates confusion and gets rid of interpretation. Different paradigms for different folks.

So one day the Hindu sheep will come? What say you that we already have our own shepherds, and they all do an excellent job. They understand us as Hindus, agree with us philosophically on key matters, love us unconditionally whether we're black, gay, female, illiterate, or whatever. So why would we Hindus want to turn to something where there is so much controversy, so much needing to be reinterpreted, so much confusion, when we have the cleanest air to breathe, the purest water, the best magical elixirs already. That makes no sense. It would be like trading in a new car for an old beater, and paying to do it.

Sorry, but no thanks. (politely shutting the metaphorical door)

TransmutingSoul · Jul 20, 2017

Vinayaka said:
From what I've seen every denomination of Christianity considers themselves the true path, and the rest false. Glad I'm not a Christian.

I ask you then these questions

1) Is your Love not genuine?
2) Do you not Abhor what is evil?
3) Do you not try to hold fast to what is good?
4) Do you not try to Love one another with brotherly affection?
5) Do you not attempt to Outdo one another in showing honor?
6) Are you slothful in zeal?
7) Are you against being fervent in spirit,to serve the Lord?
8) Do you not Rejoice in hope?
9) Are you against being patient in tribulation?
10) Are you against being constant in prayer?
11) Do you not assist with the needs of fellow believers?
12) Do you not seek to show hospitality?

I think this will show the point being made. You would be saying I am glad I do not have those virtues as it is the Virtues that show you are a true Christian, not a Name, not a division in Faith.

Now if you do see the wisdom in that advice and practice what was said, then you are a Christian as well as a Hindu.

Regards Tony

TransmutingSoul · Jul 20, 2017

Vinayaka said:
Sorry, but no thanks. (politely shutting the metaphorical door)

May you always be happy, well, content and I hope you do come out from behind that door again

Regards Tony

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