How are these Great Beings explained?

RoaringSilence · Jul 19, 2017

Vinayaka said:
This is the Hindu and dharmic view, and in part why I am a Hindu. It is in sharp contrast to Abrahamic faiths who not only willingly share their faith, but in many cases it's commanded for them to do so. So spreading the 'good news' is part of the religion. I'd rather keep quiet personally, and because of that, very rarely even find out how other Hindus view the world.

need of the hour..to do what you do right now.

RoaringSilence · Jul 19, 2017

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
Thats ok we will all allow Athieisim to use the Virtues given by God, Gods Light Gods Life.

Regards Tony

who gave you right within bahai to make this call within 30 secs. from an x position to y position . who is running this faith? top authority? are you creating new laws by discussing things with people like me ..im a high school grad..no further formal education.

is this a cult?

TransmutingSoul · Jul 19, 2017

Vinayaka said:
As you know (I think) virtues vary as well, at least by order of importance. We've been down this road before though.

I don't consider virtues specifically as God given, just as virtues. It;s dualistic thinking, to me. God is all, not just all that is good.

Ha ha such a response below from aussy humor.

Net and Humor obviously do not work!

Regards Tony

TransmutingSoul · Jul 19, 2017

RoaringSilence said:
this "we will allow" ? thing isn't what anyone is looking for atleast not in dharmic .. we don't allow anyone to rule us or govern us.. no exchange of freedom for teaching method to god. we have many god men with exactly same concepts and they run their govt's with-in , just like god said kingdom within..so govt also within. each person is president of his own body and he can create the council of elders within his mind. its all inside ..

you should re phrase and say when i meditate I WILL ALLOW atheism a healthy corner in my mind.and when you teach other you teach them to self govern as well. and go inwards.

A joke, some fun!!!!!

Regards Tony

TransmutingSoul · Jul 19, 2017

Saint Frankenstein said:
You "will allow"?

Aussie Humor....obviously went over everybodies head. Ha Ha.

May all be well and happy. Regards Tony

TransmutingSoul · Jul 19, 2017

RoaringSilence said:
who gave you right within bahai to make this call within 30 secs. from an x position to y position . who is running this faith? top authority? are you creating new laws by discussing things with people like me ..im a high school grad..no further formal education.

is this a cult?

My my It is quite amazing the whole conversation started because of Aussie Humor.

Ha ha

God loves laughter, have fun with that as well if you wish, I will allow you to laugh so more.

Be merry. Regards Tony

RoaringSilence · Jul 19, 2017

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
A joke, some fun!!!!!

Regards Tony

Your Highness,
why would you change stance within seconds to defend a joke. I object.

regards
Rs

RoaringSilence · Jul 19, 2017

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
My , I will allow you to laugh so more.

Be merry. Regards Tony

Your Highness

thank you for the permission to laugh

may i go to sleep now ? or would you allow me to delve deeper in the kingdom on "physical land" to come and thy will be done ( not within heart but in physical world).

merry reagrds
rs

TransmutingSoul · Jul 19, 2017

RoaringSilence said:
Your Highness,
why would you change stance within seconds to defend a joke. I object.

regards
Rs

It appears one has to defend every word spoken on this Forum

I object to your objection....but wait what am I now objecting too?????

Wait, sounds like this thread again, so many objections we forgot what we started to discuss.

Thats right, it was "How are these Great Beings Explained"? Another way is that they are all the Virtues, each and all of them.

Thus all of us can only reflect our virtues from them, luckily they allow us to do so.

Regards Tony

CG Didymus · Jul 19, 2017

loverofhumanity said:
I don't know the reason why but the Manifestations each act according to the best needs of the time, Tyere are material, social and spiritual needs. The Manifestation sometimes addresses all of them but may choose for reasons of wisdom not to change certain things, The decision is left up to them what to unite and what not to. They are the Divine Physicians for Their age and prescribe medicine best for the illnesses of that time both social & spiritual.

There are obvious laws in Judaism. Laws that were specific to the Hebrews people from their God. Christianity, mostly because of Paul, don't follow most of those laws that were supposedly given by God. The ones they do follow could be defined as those eternal spiritual laws, but did Jesus bring new social laws that would take humanity to the next level? And, can you give some examples of what you consider new social laws that Jesus brought? Thanks.

CG Didymus · Jul 19, 2017

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
There are pasages in Holy Scriptures that say we have this life to do just that. The Bible for an example says it is to be Born Again. This is our Heritage, this is what we exist to acheive. It is what we have free will to consider.

These same writings say Knowing and Loving God through what God has shown us and living out life in compliance to that, is the ultimate state a man can arise to. The Holy Books tell us this is obtaining to eternal life, life that death in this world can not overtake.

These same writings say any level of not obtaining to this knowledge is the hell we are to avoid, again it is freely our choice to consider all these things.

I hope you always continue to be well and happy and that you will always keep searching for all that is good.

Regards Tony

Hey Tony, Adding to ways not offend people in other religions, I try not to use the term "Bible" when I'm speaking of Christianity. I, instead, use NT. Judaism deserves to be given credit for "The Bible" plus other writings rejected by Christians. Since most Christians I know don't study what they call the "OT" very much, and they don't really follow it. I can understand why you say things like "the Bible says such and such". But when it is really a quote from the NT, and only a Christian concept, I think it is unfair to Jewish beliefs to make it sound like it is a concept from the whole of the Bible. What do you think? Do you kind of get when I'm trying to say?

CG Didymus · Jul 19, 2017

Vinayaka said:
This is the Hindu and dharmic view, and in part why I am a Hindu. It is in sharp contrast to Abrahamic faiths who not only willingly share their faith, but in many cases it's commanded for them to do so. So spreading the 'good news' is part of the religion. I'd rather keep quiet personally, and because of that, very rarely even find out how other Hindus view the world.

A difficulty was that they were taught that the other religions were false beliefs. It was a very small step to justify forcing religions like Christianity on to the people... for their own good of course.

TransmutingSoul · Jul 20, 2017

CG Didymus said:
Hey Tony, Adding to ways not offend people in other religions, I try not to use the term "Bible" when I'm speaking of Christianity. I, instead, use NT. Judaism deserves to be given credit for "The Bible" plus other writings rejected by Christians. Since most Christians I know don't study what they call the "OT" very much, and they don't really follow it. I can understand why you say things like "the Bible says such and such". But when it is really a quote from the NT, and only a Christian concept, I think it is unfair to Jewish beliefs to make it sound like it is a concept from the whole of the Bible. What do you think? Do you kind of get when I'm trying to say?

I think you are busy balancing, trying to balance everything

I have spoken too many Jews on the Net, they are quick to tell you the Bible is not their book and to some you quote the Torah.

At the same time Christians would have to be more understanding as a portion of the Jewish scriptures form part of the book now known as the Bible for a good reason. If you are a Christian and know little about the Faith Christ was raised in, you really know little about Christianity and doctrines not compatible with the Torah become possible. The Bible is a combination of Scriptures from the NT sources and some Jewish sources.

Passages such as John 5:46-47 show that we must know what Moses is saying unto us; "46If you had believed Moses, you would believe Me, because he wrote about Me. 47But since you do not believe what he wrote, how will you believe what I say?”. As a Christian why would you not then go back and try to understand what Moses was saying about Christ?

What I think is it is time to look for the Common Truth in all Scriptures. Regards Tony

RoaringSilence · Jul 20, 2017

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
What I think is it is time to look for the Common Truth in all Scriptures. Regards Tony

i know what it is. but no matter what i say unless you are prepared to practice it..its not gonna work. and you will be left staring at texts for the most part. so untill you are ready to experience it yourself, keep reading texts.

TransmutingSoul · Jul 20, 2017

RoaringSilence said:
i know what it is. but no matter what i say unless you are prepared to practice it..its not gonna work. and you will be left staring at texts for the most part. so untill you are ready to experience it yourself, keep reading texts.

Yes life is Deeds not words.

Regards Tony

RoaringSilence · Jul 20, 2017

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
Yes life is Deeds not words.

Regards Tony

you will find out yourself soon. i don't even need to tell you..you earned the truth and it will find you..without me being involved. that is a promise. just prepare yourself to experience it.not from me , not from anybody..but from within you...direct delivery

TransmutingSoul · Jul 20, 2017

RoaringSilence said:
you will find out yourself soon. i don't even need to tell you..you earned the truth and it will find you..without me being involved. that is a promise. just prepare yourself to experience it.not from me , not from anybody..but from within you...direct delivery

Thank you, your vision unfolded in 1984.

Be well and be happy. All the best and Regards Tony.

RoaringSilence · Jul 20, 2017

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
Thank you, your vision unfolded in 1984.

Be well and be happy. All the best and Regards Tony.

what are you thanking me for? but thanks .

oldbadger · Jul 20, 2017

CG Didymus said:
There are obvious laws in Judaism.

The 613? Mostly the laws of Moses?

Laws that were specific to the Hebrews people from their God.

So these laws, in your opinion, did not apply to Galileans, or Northern provinces..... just to Western Aramaic speaking peoples? That wlould have excluded Jesus from them, then.

Christianity, mostly because of Paul, don't follow most of those laws that were supposedly given by God.

Nor did the Jews, later on, in early 1st century Jewish provinces.

The ones they do follow could be defined as those eternal spiritual laws, but did Jesus bring new social laws that would take humanity to the next level?

Apart from the 96 laws about sacrifice...... could you show me one single spiritual law from the remaining 507 laws?

And, can you give some examples of what you consider new social laws that Jesus brought? Thanks.

Jesus lead a mission to re-establish the 507, every one of which was written to strength, protect, secure, cohese, control and make successful the Israelites.
I don't understand why you think these only applied to 'Hebrew people'. Even the Samaritans lived by these laws, surely?

Vinayaka · Jul 20, 2017

CG Didymus said:
A difficulty was that they were taught that the other religions were false beliefs. It was a very small step to justify forcing religions like Christianity on to the people... for their own good of course.

Very different than saying 'different beliefs', for sure.

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