it means all things created, or do you know something created outside of heaven and earth.
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it means all things created, or do you know something created outside of heaven and earth.
Unveiled Artist
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I don't see how that relates to him being an incarnation of a human (like Vishnu being incarnation of Brahma or a pagan avatar as an incarnation of a Pagan god) and him being a perfect human
compares to god loving you enough to die for you. It makes a lot more sense scripture wise to bring a perfect human down. Only a human can relate to human pain, human sin, and human salvation. A god cannot do that by definition of him being god. If jesus were god, basically, christians are trying to be god/perfect rather than be saved from the flesh (which god does not have) to be with him forever in spirit.
Jesus does not say he is god. He never equates himself to his father. He specifically said that his father knows more than he does, he told his disciples not to look for him for knowledge and faith but to his father, he specifically said his own knowledge is not greater than his father's, and god specifically said that jesus is in the image of his son.
It's English grammar. Of-As-In just means one is in relation to something else.
God cannot be jesus/human by definition of the word god. Unless it is paganism, where gods incarnate into humans, but Christianity teaches that they are separate from the pagans/gentiles/natives. So, jesus is a human jew with an intimate relationship with god.
Once you worship jesus, you are no longer worshiping god. You worship god through jesus not as jesus. You worship god "in the name of" jesus not as jesus.
English grammar.
No. I speak from experience. I've read the full bible before and studied it. Unfortunately, I don't know Hebrew and Greek but I rather ask someone native to that language rather than someone native to English and never grown up in countries that speak these two languages. Culture influences meaning of the languages. If you don't have the culture, interpretation is what it is.
It is easier to talk with someone who has experienced the bible. When we talk about experiences, then the bible makes more sense. When you are "looking at scripture as if they obtain eternal life" you are bypassing jesus for written words.
If you like.
Hebrews says image of, though. (Think of looking at yourself in a mirror. Are you saying you are the reflection literally? I know it's hard to differentiate yourself from your reflection, but believe me, you aren't a reflection.)
You can see jesus as god. It doesn't matter either way. Scripture and especially judaism does not teach this at all. Islam, Judaism, etc only teach god and god only. No incarnations. I believe the incarnations probably came from Roman paganism. I know you heard that a lot; and, that does not believe it isn't true. The Roman Church put the bible together to begin with. If anything, I'd look to Jewish scriptures rather than depend on the apostles who traveled to many lands, engulfed in many cultures of these lands, and christians think they were not influenced by the culture they traveled to?
Little over 2,000 years isn't that long ago.
God means someone or something of worship. A lot of times the word god is associated with divine and sacred. Jesus never put himself in a "sacred" position. God/father told christians he is the "intermediary" between god and man.
How do you get out of the word intermediary?
Is there another definition of it I'm not aware of?
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe spirit is neither heavenly nor earthly and certainly doesn't come from water as heaven and earth does. Actually one can construe everything material coming from Hydrogen since by fusion all the higher weight elements can be created.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe that makes no sense because a perfect human does not give us a relation of God but simply points out that as humans God can select one as perfect to be expendable. That is not loving at all. Not only that but if God were not willing to make the sacrifice Himself then there is no evidence that He loves us.
I believe I have seen no such definition in the scriptures.
I believe we do not need to try since our salvation is by grace.
I don't believe salvation from the flesh is necessary but simply salvation from being ruled by the flesh. I have to admit though when I have to pee nothing in this world is going to prevent it.
I believe we are in that state.
I believe this is it: John 10:30 I and the Father are one.
I believe that is experiential knowledge in the body that God the Father is not limited to.
I believe this is nonsense because I am not saying that the body becomes God but simply that God resides in the body giving the person the identification as God. I believe there is no indication in paganism that gods incarnate but I would be willing to look at what you are referring to and gods are not God.
I believe that wasn't the issue. The issue was that you were only referring to that one scripture as all there was in the Bible on the subject and I don't believe that is true.
I believe that does not mean that He isn't God. I believe He only has done that to keep people from confusing the body with God. By pointing to the Father that does not have a body He avoids that.
I believe I have no need to avoid it. God as an incarnation is an intermediary between men and God who is not incarnate.
Unveiled Artist
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Muffle. You have to quote me. It takes twice as long and its a headache to understand your point without going physically dizzy with the colors and trying to coordinate which color goes where.
Regardless the colors, individuallh quote me so I can read your post literally and in context.
Unveiled Artist
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Is what you believe facts?
If a perfect human was sent by god and defined by god, why would it not make sense?
Unless youre questioning the manner in whichbhe saves someone?
If I were a parent and my grandchild was in danger of drowning. The only one who can save him is my son because I am not nearby. If that child is saved by my telling my son to save that child, how is that salvation different physically than being saved by me?
Emotionally, yeah. Its fine you want god to save you.
He does
"In his son's name.
"Son as an imtermediary
The father AND I are one. (Two people)
Where in life does it say we get a free ticket without input on our part?
Doing things for god isnt servatitude.
Same thing. "From". I am not poetic about it.
Thats an incarnation. I wont call it Pagan then. It is what it is.
There are many many. The OT doesnt say the animal sacrifice is the same or one with he person offering it up. Two totally different people. OT people knew the offering is not the person they are giving the offering to.
Its the whole bible.
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If a perfect human was sent by god and defined by god, why would it not make sense?
Unless youre questioning the manner in whichbhe saves someone?
If I were a parent and my grandchild was in danger of drowning. The only one who can save him is my son because I am not nearby. If that child is saved by my telling my son to save that child, how is that salvation different physically than being saved by me?
Emotionally, yeah. Its fine you want god to save you.
He does
"In his son's name.
"Son as an imtermediary
The father AND I are one. (Two people)
Where in life does it say we get a free ticket without input on our part?
Doing things for god isnt servatitude.
Same thing. "From". I am not poetic about it.
Thats an incarnation. I wont call it Pagan then. It is what it is.
There are many many. The OT doesnt say the animal sacrifice is the same or one with he person offering it up. Two totally different people. OT people knew the offering is not the person they are giving the offering to.
Its the whole bible.
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