How are these Great Beings explained?

RoaringSilence · Jul 17, 2017

RoaringSilence said:
Prayer to Almighty Truest Image of the un manifested - Supreme lord Genghis Khan
the kebab maker of "the kebab makers" - bringing peace and joy by cleaning the demons of fake peace.

Giving chills and casting fear in the hearts of The Intelligentsia Created entity - bhai of the Ottoman empire.

Close your eyes and imagine lord Genghis making kebabs of the kebabs peacefully.

don't take it personal adrian. i do this to wake you if you are trapped fending fallible religions'

this concept of finding fault in ways comes from abrahamic after 7th century ..and don't think that someone will not pull out the same trick on your methods. so please leave us with our ways of worship ..no matter how wrong they maybe ..we all have been introduced to islam before bahai.

. when 800+million hindus haven't converted despite that it means they rather be in hell than to be with the god they cannot live with for eternity.

kindly ,don't teach us your methods and make tools out of us.

TransmutingSoul · Jul 17, 2017

Vinayaka said:
Grade 1 children will embrace all kinds of things, like puppetry, etc. They're very susceptible to suggestion, and are about 5 years before the formal thought stage of development.

Then you agree it can not be complicated to understand. It is just preconceived ideas that like to complicate the matter.

Regards Tony

Dawnofhope · Jul 17, 2017

RoaringSilence said:
hmm lets this page be an example of your true colors. those watching this reply scroll up.. spot the hypocrite.

RoaringSilence said:
don't take it personal adrian.

As a general rule I try to avoid either giving or taking offence.

RoaringSilence said:
i do this to wake you if you are trapped fending fallible religions'

You don't know me. How can you say that?

RoaringSilence said:
this concept of finding fault in ways comes from abrahamic after 7th century ..and don't think that someone will not pull out the same trick on your methods. so please leave us with our ways of worship ..no matter how wrong they maybe ..we all have been introduced to islam before bahai.

Again, you appear to be making an assumptions about me based on my religion and without knowing me.

RoaringSilence said:
. when 800+million hindus haven't converted despite that it means they rather be in hell than to be with the god they cannot live with for eternity.

Hindus have had extremely negative experiences with both Islam and Christianity. That is history we all know.

RoaringSilence said:
kindly ,don't teach us your methods and make tools out of us.

In the Baha'i Faith we should teach ourselves before we teach others. I'm here, in part, to learn about Hinduism. Thank you for teaching me.

Dawnofhope · Jul 17, 2017

Shadow Wolf said:
To be more than a belief, something needs proof. Such is why I said I believe, not that I know or it is, and why the language is similar in the UFO thread in that I believe. There is nothing to verify these to make them factually known, rendering it pointless to act on them as anything more than speculation.

History is a great educator about religion, for better or worse.

Shadow Wolf said:
For me, these keys were given to me by Lucifer. But doesn't it just sound silly when all these people say this is right for me, or that is right for me? This to me suggests it is something with us making us think we've found something, and nothing external to actually suggest a god.

There are no civilisations that have endured for centuries based on the teachings is Lucifer. There are for Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, and Hinduism.

Shadow Wolf said:
The American Constitution is based on secular law, especially John Locke. And easily we don't find much religious law in our civil laws because we are guaranteed freedom of religion, something that is explicitly prohibited in many, many religions.

I'm not sure about the USA being the model country we should all aspire to? There is an increasing disparity between perceptions Americans have of themselves differs from how the rest of the world views them. I doubt if America can claim moral authority in regards to freedom of religion.

Shadow Wolf said:
So we can make war upon the infidel? Kill rebellious teenagers instead of coping with and helping them? So that women must be beneath men? And why the focus on reward and punishment? Are religious people not to be selfless and without greed? And where and when in history has a focus on punishment ever actually worked? And based on "spiritual principles," so very often the punishment is extremely disproportionate to the crime (something we've been getting better at with secular values rather than religious).

I doubt if 'making war on infidels' was one of the 'spiritual principles' in question. Truth, Justice, compassion are better examples. Other examples are the equality of men and women, the oneness of humanity, and freedom from prejudice based on race and religion.

USA has one of the highest incarceration rates amongst developed nations. That is another reason to be wary about using the USA as an example.

TransmutingSoul · Jul 17, 2017

Shadow Wolf said:
So we can make war upon the infidel? Kill rebellious teenagers instead of coping with and helping them? So that women must be beneath men? And why the focus on reward and punishment? Are religious people not to be selfless and without greed? And where and when in history has a focus on punishment ever actually worked? And based on "spiritual principles," so very often the punishment is extremely disproportionate to the crime (something we've been getting better at with secular values rather than religious).

Love, Peace, Honesty and Justice are the foundations of Gods Religions and the base for all Law. They are the focus of any advancing civilization.

Punishment is the last resort that Justice dictates must be so for society to function. The reward is in the actions of living Love, Peace, Honesty and Justice, the punishment is turning away from the good of all to feed self want in one form or another.

The penalty is set and all have a choice.

Regards Tony

TransmutingSoul · Jul 17, 2017

Shadow Wolf said:
The American Constitution is based on secular law, especially John Locke. And easily we don't find much religious law in our civil laws because we are guaranteed freedom of religion, something that is explicitly prohibited in many, many religions.

Yes my hasty reply was incorrect, it is not the Message the Laws are founded on, I meant to say the Religious Principals of Justice and Honesty etc.

Regards Tony

TransmutingSoul · Jul 17, 2017

Shadow Wolf said:
To be more than a belief, something needs proof.

Yes this is why a messenger God offers first their Person, then their life as the proof to the Words they offer from God.

We are asked to look at the Person fist, then their life. After this we have the words they speak, that attest to their Person and Their life and can then guide people into the future.

As to the proof of the Word. Is it the requirement of the age, did it build a Community based on that Word and has in endured?

Regards Tony

Vinayaka · Jul 17, 2017

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
Then you agree it can not be complicated to understand. It is just preconceived ideas that like to complicate the matter.

Regards Tony

You didn't read what I wrote. Grade 1 children are not yet in formal thought stage. (Piaget, developmental psychology) They will 'follow' pretty much anything, including very illogical things. But to each his own. The fact of diversity, not worshiping the same God, having vastly different beliefs, etc. is really easy too. If a guest speaker came to the Grade 1 French class and spoke Tagalog, they would understand that they didn't understand.

But to each his own.

Yes, preconceived ideas, one basic (false, in my view) assumption, (progressive manifestations) and then changing everything that's ever been said to match that.

Vinayaka · Jul 17, 2017

adrian009 said:
Hindus have had extremely negative experiences with both Islam and Christianity. That is history we all know.

In the Baha'i Faith we should teach ourselves before we teach others. I'm here, in part, to learn about Hinduism. Thank you for teaching me.

Yes, it's a problem, and understandably distorts the view before the person, as in individual, even has a chance. Sad, but it's a facet of life (generalizing, stereotyping) that many of us work on, and no group or individual is immune. Although we Hindus do it, I feel it happens even greater in reverse, given the vastness that is Hinduism. Look at how the Baha'i' writings seem to focus on one sect, (Krishna worshipers) assuming that sect is all of Hinduism, when it's not. Thanks to this thread, I've had quite the lesson in learning that Baha'i' folk are all individuals.

Vinayaka · Jul 17, 2017

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
The penalty is set and all have a choice.

Regards Tony

It is? We do?

TransmutingSoul · Jul 17, 2017

Vinayaka said:
It is? We do?

Tell me are there any Laws in your Land and do you have the choice to obey them or not to obey them?

Regards Tony

Vinayaka · Jul 17, 2017

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
Tell me are there any Laws in your Land and do you have the choice to obey them or not to obey them?

Regards Tony

Penalties are not set. Judges take into consideration many factors to determine a fair course, to the best of their ability. Age, number of offenses, severity, ability to re-offend, and more, are all taken into reconsideration.

Yes, there is free will and often we do have choices, but in many cases, such as being born homosexual, or female, or tall, or short, or with a tendency to go bald, there is no choice at all. That is what I meant. Some criminals, because of illness (schizophrenia comes to mind) have far less choice. So I'm generally compassionate about it. Do you understand?

Unfortunately, some people get 'punished' because of circumstance, not because of their decision. Admittedly, it happens more in Abrahamic 'by the book' societies, or those that lack compassion.

TransmutingSoul · Jul 17, 2017

Vinayaka said:
Do you understand?

I understand that in the constant barrage of looking for difference, that one overlooks the fact that we agree on many things.

The given Law encompases all the aspects you have mentioned.

Tell me if there is no set Penalty how does one get arrested to face court?

A penal code would say you have penalties for offenses Indian Penal Code - Wikipedia

Regards Tony

Vinayaka · Jul 17, 2017

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
Tell me if there is no set Penalty how does one get arrested to face court?

Generally a person gets arrested when they get caught breaking the law, not when they are breaking the law, so that part is circumstantial.

There is no set penalty. After court, and the person is found guilty, the lawyers on either side argue about the nature of the sentence. Gee, where have you been? Does Queensland actually not have lawyers, or something? Two people can commit identical crimes, and receive quite different sentences, and punishments here. Life is more complicated that you might like to think. It's not all same, all same.

In Canad there are guidelines, but certainly not set penalties. There are imposed maximum penalties for certain crimes, but they're not set. But again, maybe Australia is very very different from here. I knew we lived in extremely different religious paradigms, but I always figured Australia and Canada would be similar, being they're both products of British Imperialism, and each have remnants of that.

Here's the information on Canada: Criminal sentencing in Canada - Wikipedia

Unveiled Artist · Jul 17, 2017

@Tony Bristow-Stagg Im watching you and @Vinayaka walk around the core of why you two see so differently. You see similarities and we see differences.

Taking out the talk. If you have two pairs. Vinayaka and I as pair one. You and @InvestigateTruth as pair two.

Pair One arrives at world peace through differences.

Pair Two arrives at world peace by similarities.

Both are greater world peace-spiritual.

1.Since we both arrived at the same goal, greater world peace, how can Vinayaka and my views be negative when we ended at the same destination?

2. If you believe differences are negative, how can Vinakaya and I arrive at world peace together dispite I do not believe in Brahma, do not know his sect of Hinduism (likewise he knows nothing of my beliefs) and we are in opposite parts of the world?

3. Were you are offering similarities and it turns into a debate because differences (who a person is individually) are not recognized above similarities (what they have in common)?

Vinayaka · Jul 17, 2017

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
I understand that in the constant barrage of looking for difference, that one overlooks the fact that we agree on many things.

The given Law encompases all the aspects you have mentioned.

Tell me if there is no set Penalty how does one get arrested to face court?

A penal code would say you have penalties for offenses Indian Penal Code - Wikipedia

Regards Tony

I'm actually rarely looking for differences, because one doesn't really have to look much at all to find them. Similar to not really looking for the blue sky on a clear day. It's just there, whether a person looks or not. A kindergarten kid could find them, just as he could see a blue sky.

TransmutingSoul · Jul 17, 2017

All I can say to all that is God bless all

I am out enjoying the blue sky, the crow in the tree and a wonderful day to be alive.

Regards Tony

Shadow Wolf · Jul 17, 2017

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
Is it the requirement of the age, did it build a Community based on that Word and has in endured?

That proves nothing. Islam can claim the same, as can some others like Confucianism and Buddhism.

Shadow Wolf · Jul 17, 2017

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
I meant to say the Religious Principals of Justice and Honesty etc.

Justice is not killing pregnant women, raping those old enough to bleed, killing every last male, and even butchering the livestock.

Vinayaka · Jul 17, 2017

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
All I can say to all that is God bless all

I am out enjoying the blue sky, the crow in the tree and a wonderful day to be alive.

Regards Tony

You get to work outside, Tony?

Nice, if you do. In the summertime here, I'm a volunteer landscaper. Digging holes for rosebushes this week. Fresh air, and lots of exercise. Holes are 2 feet across and 2-3 feet deep. It's digging in fill. lots of gravel, and then hard clay below. The roses (hard Canadian variety) will appreciate the topsoil.

Most days we get blue sky, but the farmer in me wants rain rain rain. Last year I never watered the lawn for almost 3 months. This year is drought conditions.

You're in tropical climate, no?

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