RedDragon94
Love everyone, meditate often
Mmmm. I bet it makes it hard to know who you're dealing with.
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Where's the line of distinction?
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Serpent Child
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LaVeyan Satanism is a philosophy, not an actual religion. In my opinion its simply another form of atheism. But please keep in mind Satanism in general is extremely diverse, Theistic Satanism is an umbrella term and theres tons of different sects and organizations that fall under Theistic Satanism, then there are just Independent Satanists whom are the equivalent of Non-Denominational Christians. Its all a hot mess...
Basically, Satanism is just as diverse as Christianity. <3
Basically, Satanism is just as diverse as Christianity. <3
Very few. None of the ones I know.
Very few.
All of them
Many of them. Many also believe in helping each other and find meaning in that
A lot. Many humanists are atheists, but no humanist is a satanist.
If I thought LaVeyan Satanism was an 'accurate' philosophy, I'd be LaVeyan. I'm not. No matter how much two separate threads this week want to suggest otherwise.
A Vestigial Mote
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Why would that ever be considered "unhealthy?" It's a strange notion - I've never even heard this, or considered it, and I certainly don't believe it in the least.
This is far too general a description, and is, to my mind, a very simplistic and naive take on the world. How many times have the (at the time) "weak" overthrown those who thought themselves "stronger/more-intelligent" via revolution? It is also my sincere belief that it makes no sense to point to "strength" or "intelligence" and state that those are, definitively the "best" qualities to have. For example, a "patient" person could probably wait until the strong killed the intelligent, or vice versa, and then make their move to kill the remaining person while they are tired or unaware. Is "patience" then, "the best" thing to be? Not necessarily even that, obviously. In the end, a person who is "weak" still retains prowess in something. It is foolish to underestimate almost anything.
Well, without holding a belief in god(s), the ideas for them had to come from somewhere... so yeah, I subscribe to this notion.
Also too general. I derive much of the meaning I ascribed my life from my children. In a sense, I needed (and still need) their "help" to achieve that sense of meaning.
There can be plenty of differences, apparently.
LaVeyan Satanism, it isn't about accuracy, it's opinion on how we ought to act knowing the facts that we are just animals. I think we ought to act better than animals because we know better.
whirlingmerc
Well-Known Member
Christianity is 'Thy will be done'
Magic/witchcraft/satanism is 'My will be done'
very different
'all of us like sheep have gone astray each of us has turned to his own way but the Lord has laid the iniquity of us all on Him' Isaiah 53:6
Magic/witchcraft/satanism is 'My will be done'
very different
'all of us like sheep have gone astray each of us has turned to his own way but the Lord has laid the iniquity of us all on Him' Isaiah 53:6
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RedDragon94
Love everyone, meditate often
Fine, you're not a Satanist.
It just seems to be that a lot of Atheists are proponents of Satanism. Which if they are it's fine, I just want people to be honest if they ever do find themselves on the LHP.
Change of topic, does every atheist have a personal philosophy?
It appears from the responses here that your impression was wrong.Fine, you're not a Satanist.
It just seems to be that a lot of Atheists are proponents of Satanism. Which if they are it's fine, I just want people to be honest if they ever do find themselves on the LHP.
Change of topic, does every atheist have a personal philosophy?
A large fraction (maybe a majority) of atheists I have met subscribe to secular humanism of some sort.
The Amsterdam Declaration | IHEU
A significant minority is primarily anti-theist and a smaller group is libertarian.
A lot of atheists are more Buddhist.
Fine, you're not a Satanist.
It just seems to be that a lot of Atheists are proponents of Satanism. Which if they are it's fine, I just want people to be honest if they ever do find themselves on the LHP.
Don't take this the wrong way, as I don't mean it negatively, but I do wonder about Americans sometimes. In most of the first world, atheists are a dime a dozen, and people realise they include all types.
Yes, some are satanists. But percentage wise, it's a tiny amount.
I, for one, dislike being characterized as a communist (since I'm certainly not).
Until recently, Satanism wasn't even a blip to be considered, so I'm a little confused why it suddenly is. Neither Satanists nor atheists (or atheist Satanists) are likely to confuse the two.
Yep.
In fact, every person on Earth does. Some are more informed by dogma or borrowed philosophies than others, so are more naieve than others, etc.
Ultimately we all have personal philosophies we live by. Or try to live by.
A Vestigial Mote
Well-Known Member
I would venture to say that every individual human being has a "personal philosophy", and that no one's lines up 100% with any "doctrine" they have chosen to adhere to. Consider The Bible - what does it even mean to adhere "100%" to Christianity's doctrine? Ask a thousand people, get a thousand unique answers.
Which is why I, personally, eschew most all labels, and follow absolutely no doctrine. To my mind it is a silly notion - I'll never accept 100% of any complex doctrine, guaranteed, so why bother? I believe in and feel what I believe in and feel - and I don't need others around me of supposed "like mind" to validate my beliefs. Someone doesn't like that I can't squeeze myself into a box so that their mind can be at ease understanding "what I am?" Fine, just don't talk to me - then they can hold onto their simplified view of the world and keep up their personal illusions about having it all figured out (e.g. "Atheists are Satanists, amiright?") - you know, the things that keep their mind safe from the horrifying terrors of "reality" (*GASP!!!*)
More like that what you call (IMO prematurely) "established religion" makes a point of putting itself in opposition to atheism.
Corvus
Feathered eyeball connoisseur
Your problem.
It is not healthy, it is usually a sign there is something wrong with you.
Not me, that is simply a somewhat naziesque belief in some sort of pseudoscientific intepretation of Darwnian theory incorrectly applied to an advanced mutually dependent civilization.
Duh...all of them are man made. By logical extension of the atheist claim. They must be man made if they do not exist.
You don' t mean anything, you gene dispersal unit. You are just lucky to be alive. Don't waste the opportunity on invisible Gods and demented holy books.
Satan can go away and reproduce. That is the basic difference. We atheists do not believe in the existence of Gods or supernatural deities.
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RedDragon94
Love everyone, meditate often
RedDragon94
Love everyone, meditate often
Alright, I get it, not every atheist is a satanist.
Ricktheheretic
"Do what thou will shall be the whole of the law"
Atheism is simply lack of belief in deity. Laveyan Satanism is a hodge-podge of Enlightenment rationalism, Medieval "Satanist" deviancy, Nietzsche, misinterpreted Aleister Crowley, Rand Objectivism and modern occultism. If I left anything out, I'm sorry. Laveyan Satanism doesn't posit a creed for living without "god" or a "higher power." Laveyan Satanism pretends to be what people would believe in if they didn't have any values from religion, i.e. selfishness, egoism. The fact is that people are not naturally selfish creatures out for their own self-satisfaction. People can be very altruistic and decent people without any religious upbringing. Of course a Laveyan Satanist could be very altruistic and decent, provided that they did nice things just because doing nice things gives self-satisfaction. I don't disagree with Satanism per se because I profess a form of Satanism that goes back further than Laveyan Satanism. Satan has always been the archetypal deviant or rebel. According to Aleister Crowley every man is his own god.
"Every man and every woman is a star. Every number is infinite; there is no difference." Liber Al Legis, The Book of the Law
"I believe in one secret and ineffable LORD; and in one Star in the Company of Stars of whose fire we are created" Creed of Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica
"I am the Snake that giveth Knowledge & Delight and bright glory, and stir the hearts of men with drunkenness. To worship me take wine and strange drugs whereof I will tell my prophet, & be drunk thereof! They shall not harm ye at all. It is a lie, this folly against self. The exposure of innocence is a lie. Be strong, o man! lust, enjoy all things of sense and rapture: fear not that any God shall deny thee for this." Liber Al Legis, The Book of the Law
I think that every man/woman/child should feel free to pursue whatever they feel is the truth and to enjoy whatever lifestyle they are comfortable with. I think that conventional religion is a lie that has far too long been accepted. People need to form creeds based on what it means to be people rather than what religions tell them. God should be seen in terms of Infinite Intelligence or Cosmic Consciousness.
“The true name of Satan, the Kabalists say, is that of Yahveh reversed; for Satan is not a black God, but the negation of God. The Devil is the personification of Atheism or Idolatry. For the Initiates, this is not a person, but a force, created for good, but which may serve for evil. It is the instrument of Liberty or free will. They represent this Force, which presides over the physical generation, under the mythologic and horned form of the God Pan; thence the he-goat of the Sabbat, brother of the Ancient Serpent, and the light bearer or Phosphor, of which the poets have made the false Lucifer of the legend”. Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma
Thelema 101 at Thelema 101 Sinagogue of SatanCouncil for Secular HumanismNational Spiritualist Association of Churches
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RedDragon94
Love everyone, meditate often
Yes. Satan can be chaotic but not generally, just don't tick him off. He has the potential to live in everyone, meaning he balances positivity an negativity.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
That doesnt seem atheistic
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Ricktheheretic
"Do what thou will shall be the whole of the law"
I don't think there is a real Satan, let alone real Satanism.
"Satanism" has been used to describe heretics since the days of the Gnostics in 2nd and 3rd centuries A.D. In Medieval times "Satanists" were religious rebels who parodied the Catholic Mass with a Satanic Black Mass. I heard something about a secret Cainite Gnostic cult who venerated the serpent as the light-bearer "Lucifer" or "Satanas," the enemy of the Gnostic Demiurge - Yahweh the fallen creator god who imprisoned spirit children from the aeon above in the causal material universe. They saw the serpent in Eden as a helper who wanted humans to know there was a reality above the material world, and what was really good and evil. They viewed the rebel Cain as the first Gnostic and first to set himself free from the yoke of Yahweh the Demiurge. They likewise revered the Sodomites, Esau, and the Witch of Endor as Gnostic saints. Some went as far as to see Judas Iscariot as the true Messiah and Jesus as the son of Yahweh the Demiurge, usually Gnostics regarded Jesus as the son the Eternal Father who was rejected by Yahweh's children i.e the Jews. The persecution of the Gnostic Cathars in the Middle Ages shows doubts about the Catholic Church's belief in their god as the sole deity.
Later Satanism was used to sell a rebellious ideology. Aleister Crowley, despite his significant occult ideology, gained infamy by presenting him self as "the beast" and "the wickedest man in the world." Anton Lavey did his own thing with Satanism, and now we have the Church of Satan and the Temple of Set started by Michael Aquino.
I included some good Gnostic links below.
Our Lady of Endor Coven - Wikipedia Our Lady of Endor Coven
Cainites - Wikipedia Cathars and Cathar Beliefs in the Languedoc The Genesis FactorThelema 101 at Thelema 101
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