Underhill
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Yep, that is what the book says.
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Why don't atheists change faiths very often?
- Thread starter Desert Snake
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Yep, that is what the book says.
Bob the Unbeliever
Well-Known Member
Well, yes. But it's only honorary. Dogs are much to wise to stoop to faith in things for which there are no snacks.
1robin
Christian/Baptist
You do not get it, Atheism is the worldview than contains no God's which to worship.
I do not share that world view, the theistic world view. My worldviews has enough room for many God's but I find the evidence for the God of Christianity so strong to compared to all others combined, and since I met him (spiritually) I worship him Yahweh. However the choices made by believers was never the subject of the debate.
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Most Atheists on here are former Christians who find the concept of God in the NT bizarre.
But if it makes you happy, carry on.
Ricktheheretic
"Do what thou will shall be the whole of the law"
I am agnostic but I tend to rethink god as being the ultimate cause or something like the life-force or cosmic consciousness.
I tend to think all atheists hold faith in multiple things, but atheism isn't one of them.
If by faith you mean justified belief, as in "I have faith that my car will start in the morning like it has the last 200 times I've tried to start it," then I agree. Every atheist just like every theist will have many justified beliefs. The evidence of the past doesn't guarantee the future, but it is justification for the expectation that the car will start again.
However, if you are including what religious people do, which is to believe without adequate evidence, or even in the face of contradictory evidence, then I'd disagree. Many people consider that a flawed way of thinking. We all admitted many such idea before we learned to think critically, and many eventually stopped doing that. They also had to go back and review what they believed, and be sure that only those ideas that were justified remained believed.
This is not to say that one might not still have erroneous beliefs after such a process, one leading to what can call an examined life, but if he does, it is because the evidence he used to arrive at such beliefs was skewed or misunderstood, not because there was no evidence, which as I've explained is what I generally mean by believing by faith.
Incidentally, when I said what religious people do, that was not meant to mean that only religious people do it. Lately, we have seen this type of thinking applied to political candidates - unjustified belief even in the face of large amounts of contradictory evidence. And we are very used to it from the climate deniers. Both of these positions are available to atheists.
What do you think? Is this consistent with what you meant?
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Islam deity might be completely removed. Im not even sure the intent wasnt just the angel talking to muhemet in the cave
There are infinitely many possible worldviews that contain no gods, not just one. This is why atheism isn't a worldview in and of itself. It's actually an umbrella term for many worldviews that just happen to have one point in common (i.e. that they don't include any gods).
Yes to both questions. You may ask your friends and family to bury scientific equipment with you, to use when you stand before Him, though I'm sure it will be the last thing on your mind.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
And many of us are not. Then there are former Muslims who are now atheists. Jus' sayin'...Most Atheists on here are former Christians who find the concept of God in the NT bizarre.
But if it makes you happy, carry on.
God is also closer to you than your jugular vein.
And We have already created man and know what his soul whispers to him, and We are closer to him than [his] jugular vein. Qur'an 50:16
Your "yes" to the first question implies that Islam is necessarily false.
Your "yes" to the second question implies that God's existence is indistinguishable from his non-existence... IOW, it implies that God has no measurable effect on anything we can observe.
Do you find that empty threats are a good tactic for convincing people of your religion? This one isn't working on me.
I think all people tend to have unjustified beliefs in some measure, whether it's in the veracity of political polls, the likelihood of attracting a certain member of the opposite/same sex, or in their ability to shoot a match winning three pointer.
I find the conflation of atheism with rational behaviour fairly unsupportable. Not suggesting you're doing this, just something I see. On a strictly atheist/theist paradigm, I see atheism as the rational position. But one swallow doesn't make a summer.
How does God being outside of the 7 Heavens prove Islam to be false?
If you look at the origins of the Universe, the fine tuning, how life forms, complexity and diversity, the fact you have the ability to use reason and logic, ALL of this is observable and shows a Designer, Creator, all knowing Super Being is ultimately responsible for all that we see.
That is probably barely true, but only because it happens that so many people are Christians.
Atheism is a very natural and healthy occurrence (if you can even call it an occurrence), and would not even have the need for a name if there was not so much emphasis on belief in deities in Christianity and Islaam.
The question was not that, but rather whether God is inside the universe.
That is just an unsupported claim. Actually, it is a statement of aesthetical preference.
Fair enough for what it is. But what it is is not an argument, or even a fully formed claim.
Because Islam claims to be a revealed religion. How exactly would God reveal his religion to the people inside a universe if he never enters it himself?
No, it really doesn't show that.
... But if you really believe this, then you should be able to come up with some falsifiable tests for your god. There should be something where you could say "I know ____ was caused by God, so if we investigate and find some other cause, then we'll know that God (or at least God as I envision him) doesn't exist." Can you fill in that blank?
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
My issue with that position is newborn infants do not even have a sense of self awareness. If one is literally not aware of the existence of themselves, or the permanence of objects outside of their vision, how can it fairly be said they are either atheist or theist or agnostic or anything other than a human who has yet to have their "operating system fully activated?"