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Torah Obeying Yeshua Believer

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SelahIsrael

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For a quick reference of my last post I refer you to these words to the Prophet Ezekiel
Eze 37:15 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying:
Eze 37:16 'And thou, son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it: For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions; then take another stick, and write upon it: For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and of all the house of Israel his companions;
Eze 37:17 and join them for thee one to another into one stick, that they may become one in thy hand.
Eze 37:18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying: Wilt thou not tell us what thou meanest by these?
Eze 37:19 say into them: Thus saith the Lord GOD: Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his companions; and I will put them unto him together with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in My hand.

and on through the rest of the chapter
and in the Brit Hadeshah
Rom 11:17
Through the blood of Yeshua and by accepting and believing in him, I know that I have been grafted - in.
and sorry folks, I will not debate the Word, I will teach and be taught, but not argue or debate.
 
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jewscout

jewscout

Religious Zionist
kai said:
sorry man, the point was lost on me!
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the point is that pretty much ALL jews are messianic as the concept of the Moshiach is a main point of jewish belief (see the 13 Principles by the Rambam)

the term "messianic Jew" has been used to identify specifically those who claim to follow Torah yet accept Jesus as some sort of messiah and the christian testament as an addition to the Torah.

as this is an introduction section i will not go into a debate as to the validity of such belief as i think this is one dead horse i've thoroughly beaten....:rolleyes:
 
Katzpur

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
jewscout said:
the term "messianic Jew" has been used to identify specifically those who claim to follow Torah yet accept Jesus as some sort of messiah and the christian testament as an addition to the Torah.
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Obviously, I am among the misinformed. I was thinking in terms of someone who is Jewish by lineage and tradition, but has come to accept Jesus Christ as the Messiah. My apologies for the blunder, and thank you for setting me straight.
 
Katzpur

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
SelahIsrael said:
For a quick reference of my last post I refer you to these words to the Prophet Ezekiel
Eze 37:15 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying:
Eze 37:16 'And thou, son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it: For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions; then take another stick, and write upon it: For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and of all the house of Israel his companions;
Eze 37:17 and join them for thee one to another into one stick, that they may become one in thy hand.
Eze 37:18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying: Wilt thou not tell us what thou meanest by these?
Eze 37:19 say into them: Thus saith the Lord GOD: Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his companions; and I will put them unto him together with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in My hand.

and on through the rest of the chapter
and in the Brit Hadeshah
Rom 11:17
Through the blood of Yeshua and by accepting and believing in him, I know that I have been grafted - in.
and sorry folks, I will not debate the Word, I will teach and be taught, but not argue or debate.
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You're one guy who would probably be fascinated by the Book of Mormon. Are you aware of the fact that to the LDS people, Ezekiel 37:19 is one of the most significant passages in the Old Testament. We believe the Book of Mormon to be the stick of Joseph while the Bible is the Stick of Judah, and most of us also believe that we are of the tribe of Ephraim.
 
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SelahIsrael

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I have looked into the Book of Mormon. Tell me does it proclaim Yeshua (Jesus) to be Yahweh in the flesh, who came to sacrifice himself on the stake, thus fulfilling the prophets, and was the perfect Passover sacrifice, and rose in again, thus conquering the grave, and now he sits at the right hand of Abba, awaiting his return, and will return to rule and reign with us in the Millienium? Do you believe that his blood washes away sin? and that those who accept him he baptises with his spirit?
I accept Yeshua as my Messiah! and that will never change, I keep the biblical feasts, as he and his talmadin did, not the pagan festivals of man.
These are things that I accept and believe through faith. I can back everything up with scripture, as I believe also through faith that the whole Bible is the written Word of God, and that in it there is life.
 
kai

kai

ragamuffin
jewscout said:
the point is that pretty much ALL jews are messianic as the concept of the Moshiach is a main point of jewish belief (see the 13 Principles by the Rambam)

the term "messianic Jew" has been used to identify specifically those who claim to follow Torah yet accept Jesus as some sort of messiah and the christian testament as an addition to the Torah.

as this is an introduction section i will not go into a debate as to the validity of such belief as i think this is one dead horse i've thoroughly beaten....:rolleyes:
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thanks jewscout i was aware of messianic jews and the moshiach, just wasnt very quick off the mark,
 
Katzpur

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
SelahIsrael said:
I have looked into the Book of Mormon. Tell me does it proclaim Yeshua (Jesus) to be Yahweh in the flesh, who came to sacrifice himself on the stake, thus fulfilling the prophets, and was the perfect Passover sacrifice, and rose in again, thus conquering the grave, and now he sits at the right hand of Abba, awaiting his return, and will return to rule and reign with us in the Millienium? Do you believe that his blood washes away sin? and that those who accept him he baptises with his spirit?
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Yes it does, and yes I do.
 
Deut 13:1

Deut 13:1

Well-Known Member
SelahIsrael said:
I am not Jewish...
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Then why not just accept the fact you're not Jewish and call yourself a Christian???

Acting like you're somehow Jewish only misinforms the public about what Jew's really believe as can be seen by 3-4 people who didn't know Jews were Messianic.

Something I wrote earlier...

All religious Jews are Messianic Jews... I personally know hundreds of religious Jews, and I don't know a single one who does not believe in the concept of Messiach. So we are all Messianic Jews.

The irony begins when some folks (Jews for Jesus) who ascribe messiaship to Jesus label themselves Messianic, as if everyone else isn't. However, they are no more messianic than I am. They just pretend that the Christian messiah is the real one. Okay, so? If I suddenly think it isn't him, I am not messianic suddenly?

Labeling them messianic is like saying that Kia is a car and implying that a Ford Expedition isn't.

To be more accurate, they should label themselves Jesusianic. But of course, this being a free country, they can name themselves anything they want. They can be Messianic Dalai Lamas for all I care. The funnier, the better.
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Taken from this thread.
 
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SelahIsrael

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I just do Father instructs, as I accept the Words of G-d, try to do as He commands, what should it matter what I call myself. The only thing that really matters is that others see His Light in me and that I do His will.
If I call myself anything, it should be a Child of G-d, titles and labels only tend to make steriotypes.
It's is how I live my life and and what that reflects on others that really matters.
I can only repeat David's pray, to let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptible in thy site, Oh Adonai, my strength and my redeemer.

If this thread continues, what topic do I continue under?
Shalom
 
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SunMessenger

Catholic
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