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1611 King James Bible

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
If your all reading different bibles why do you think you are all in same religion of Christianity?
The apocrypha, theoretically, does not alter the religious adherence. That is why there is apocrypha, included in some bibles, and churches, and completely extra writings, like the pseudo apocrypha, which aren't even included in bibles.

If you can find a apocryphal reference, that literally changes the religion, you are welcome to present it.

I personally don't read the apocrypha
 

arthra

Baha'i
One of the more recent translations of the Bible that I've found helpful are the works of George Lamsa who as a native speaker of Aramaic focused his work on Syriac and Aramaic

George M. Lamsa
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
The apocrypha, theoretically, does not alter the religious adherence. That is why there is apocrypha, included in some bibles, and churches, and completely extra writings, like the pseudo apocrypha, which aren't even included in bibles.

If you can find a apocryphal reference, that literally changes the religion, you are welcome to present it.

I personally don't read the apocrypha

The Apocrypha is used in the Anglican church servicess part of its tri-annual cycle of biblical readings.
However few personal copies of the Bible now include it.
neither my KJV which I have had since the 1940's nor my new NRSV (British edition) have it included. Though it is available included in both.
The anglicized version..... NRSV ANGLICIZED BIBLE WITH APOCRYPHA HB
EDIT... Just bought a second hand copy from ABE books for under £4

The KJV version of the Apocrypha is available as a separate printing
KJV Apocrypha Text Edition KJ530:A: Authorized King James Version (Bible Akjv): Amazon.co.uk: Cambridge University Press: 0787721927846: Books
 
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rusra02

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Premium Member
While I believe the Bible is inspired by God, translations and versions of the Bible may contain errors. The fact that we know these errors shows me the Bible is reliable, with thousands of existing manuscripts that can be compared to ensure accuracy. The true God who inspired the writing of his Word has also preserved it done till today, IMO. Books that are uninspired have rightly been excluded from the Holy Scriptures.
 

Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
The Geneva Bible was more popular, and predates the KJV. I have a 1607 Geneva bible with Apocrypha and notes in the margin "to help the reader in the tough areas" . Excellent bible, But modern copies of the Geneva bible are not the same as the original. So I'm guessing the KJV is the same way. And being touched by the Freemasons, who are actually secret agents of the Vatican, probably omits the interpretation "The Pope is the Anti-Christ and Ambassador of Satan"
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
The Geneva Bible was more popular, and predates the KJV. I have a 1607 Geneva bible with Apocrypha and notes in the margin "to help the reader in the tough areas" . Excellent bible, But modern copies of the Geneva bible are not the same as the original. So I'm guessing the KJV is the same way. And being touched by the Freemasons, who are actually secret agents of the Vatican, probably omits the interpretation "The Pope is the Anti-Christ and Ambassador of Satan"


Do you hide under a stone between posts......
 

Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Do you hide under a stone between posts......

Why would I? It's in the Geneva Bible "The pope is the antichrist and ambassador of Satan". Is it any wonder the world controlled by money and Freemasons , who work for the Vatican, push the version that does not say the Pope is the Anti-christ, onto the masses.
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
Wesley was a quack
Wesley was an Anglican priest who thought that the church could be doing better.... He was right, and ahead of his time. However methodism has largely taken on a life of its own. His theology way pretty standard mainline protestant.
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
NSRV anglicized catholic version?

Seems ok

The NSRV or NRSV (same difference)
Is Authorised in a number of Churches including most protestant, Catholic and Anglican.

The Anglicised edition has the written English changed to conform to British and international English Idiom, spelling, meaning and grammar. As the Primary translation was into American English.

It is the most widely Used version now used in churches and by academics.
 

Riders

Well-Known Member
It amazed me sometimes that Christians react to threads like this by saying it's crazy as if no-one else agrees with me.

Disagree with me all you want.Ive only found a thousand books and YouTube videos been to classes at my UU church about how the bible is a scam.
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
It amazed me sometimes that Christians react to threads like this by saying it's crazy as if no-one else agrees with me.

Disagree with me all you want.Ive only found a thousand books and YouTube videos been to classes at my UU church about how the bible is a scam.

You can find just about all the rubbish ever written attacking the bible on line.
It is surprising how many people hate it so much.
But it is not the place for serious research.
 
Disagree with me all you want.Ive only found a thousand books and YouTube videos been to classes at my UU church about how the bible is a scam.

Your suspicions are well founded imo Riders. The "real" Bible is not available to the unwashed masses and has long since been doctored, heavily edited and censored. Why? In order to create a system of control that allows ruthless people to control the hearts and minds of the weak minded and thereby enslave them.

The Bible contains some significant secrets, written either allegorically or encoded. A great many ancient works, tomes, scripts and treatises equally refer to the same secrets. In those days the ones with the knowledge were persecuted, hunted down and killed. Hence they had to record their secrets cryptically in works like the Bible.

After a certain length of time you instinctively start to realise that life and the religions we are pressured into just aren't how humans are supposed to live. Something important is missing.
There's a gap and you feel it without knowing what it is. They try to give us fairy stories to fill that gap.

The missing link is actually the true source of life energy that sustains us, keeps us healthy and gives us longevity. When you were born you were full of energy, overflowing with it. It lasted into your childhood and into early adult life and then, as if someone had flipped a switch, it disappears. Then your body begins to ache and groan, you get sick more frequently and just don't have the vitality you previously had. Imagine a rechargeable Duracell battery powering your body. When you were young, it was plugged into the mains (the unlimited source of energy) and kept constantly topped up. Then at some stage the mains was switched off and you've lived on the raw battery power ever since which slowly ebbs away,

What we need in life, is the access once again to that unlimited source of life energy.

It has many names, but most know it as the Philosopher's Stone, the Elixir Of Life, the Ambrosia, Fountain of Youth, Soma, Manna, call it what you will. If you do your research, and you appear to be doing so, you soon find that the "Stone" is mentioned and referenced in every mainstream religious tome and in 100s (if not 1000s) of texts, scripts and treatises of the philosophers and sages.

The opening passages of Genesis for example, are talking about the Philosopher's Stone and the process by which it is created. They are not talking about the creation of the universe in 7 days !!

The problem we have is that the versions of the Bible we have are clearly edited and censored so the secret is largely kept from the populous. Yet there remain parts that clearly reference the Philosopher's Stone, just enough to tell you that it exists and was recorded cryptically in the work but not enough to learn what needs to be learned to find it or make it.

I only learned of this myself when a kind person created a website dedicated to it and revealed what he knew. He had studied 1000s of works that all talked about the "Stone" and passed that knowledge on. That website was taken down about a year later.

If this is all new to you then allow me now to ignite the spark that will set you on the journey to researching the Stone which in turn will open your eyes about the Bible and other tomes as well as making you realise that we live in a prison, crafted by evil people who DO have the secret and who DO have the Stone and are keeping it for themselves. They doctored the original works so that we could never gain the secret and in their place gave us the Bible we have and a system of guilt and behavioural control that no human could ever live up to. The Bible we have runs on a "campaign of fear" asking us to live to a certain standard (which is impossible) and that we must believe A, B and C or suffer an eternity in Hell. In truth, the Bible is simply telling us that we will surely die if we do not partake of the Philosopher's Stone, which is the true source of "life energy" that our bodies need.


I'm going to post up some quotes and references in the next post so that your eyes will be opened.

Stick to your instinct, run with it and search hard. It is true that if you Seek you will Find.
 
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What is the Philosopher's Stone ?

It is the product of 2 simple alchemical stages which use basic equipment to make.
The process results in 2 products. The first is the "White Stone", the second is the "Red Stone"

When we say "Stone" we do not mean a hard rock like substance. It is a powder or liquid.

The White Stone relates to the metal Silver because it can be used to transmute base metals into Silver.
It provides the human body with the life energy it needs to heal itself. Note that it is not a medicine.
Your body was created with its own self-repair mechanism as you know, it just needs the right fuel to function
like any machine. The White Stone provides that fuel.

In short then if you have the White Stone you can heal yourself completely.

The Red Stone relates to the metal Gold because it can transmute base metals into gold.
It provides the human body with longevity (i.e. eternal life or as near as dam it).

Be mindful that the Bible talks often about people living what seem to us a crazy long life span. Noah was
over 900 years old. How do you think that was possible? Because those people has the Stone, as did Jesus.
It's how he was able to perform miracles, how he could heal people, how he could survive being crucified.

Some things to understand about the Stone. When you eat/drink the Stone your body has all the life energy it
needs to function. You & I get our life energy from the foods we eat, from the air we breath and from the
suns rays and so on. We do not get nearly enough of it and as a result our bodies decay and wither and die
way too early. Which of course suits those in power perfectly. We don't live long enough to learn
everything and realise the trap we are in.

When you eat the Stone your body no longer needs food and drink. You are getting your energy directly from the Stone.

Neither will your body suffer from the extremes of either heat or cold.

That in mind you can now see and understand how Jesus was able to go into the desert for 40 days and not die. He had
the Stone and it sustained him. It also sustained the Hebrews when they crossed the deseert. They called it Manna.

So the Stone has 2 main types of function/uses.

On the one hand it can generate great wealth by allowing you to transmute base metals into silver and gold.
Equally it can transmute base crystals into valuable gems.

On the other hand it can give you and your body the energy to heal itself and preserve your life for many
hundreds of years and do so in perfect health. That is obviously the more worthy valuable merit of the Stone.



How Is The Stone Created?

It is created in 2 stages.

In the first stage your own urine is gently distilled in a flask
with an alembic on top using a gentle heat (not a boiling heat as per chemistry). This results in a vapour being created which is then cooled and forms a liquid the sages cryptically referred to as Mercury.

After the distillation there is left in the flask a dirty solid product which contains within it a special
salt. The solid matter is exposed to high heat which burns away the detritus and leaves the salt. The salt is impervious to heat.

The distillation and burning (calcination) processes are repeated about 10 times and in the end you get a purified liquid (the "Mercury") and a pure white salt.


Now onto Stage 2.

In stage 2 the salt is placed in an egg shaped glass flask and some of the liquid ("Mercury") is added
and the flask sealed. It is then placed in a water bath kept at body temp (37 degrees or so).
Nature now takes its cause because in truth all of this process is ALL done by nature. The alchemist
merely creates the perfect environment for Nature to do its thing.

The salt in the flask is allegorcially referred to as "The Earth".

The gentle heat causes the liquid (Mercury) to become a mist or vapour that rise up in the flask.
The mist is allegorically referred to as the "Spirit". It rises to the top of the flask (the "heavens")
where it cools and condenses into drops of liquid again like dew, and then falls back down like rain.

This cycle repeats and repeats just like a self contained weather system. It takes over a year for the
process to complete.

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In that time the pure white salt first turns jet black before then turning white again
(the White Stone) and then turning Red (The Red Stone). The black stage is often referred to as the Crow or Raven.

It is important to know all of these things because without this fairly vital knowledge the texts and verses in
things like the Bible make no sense.

Armed with this knowledge, as you now are, the "light" is now revealed to you, perhaps for the first time,
and you can see the truth that the Bible is not meant to be taken literally and contains this great secret.

Remember all I have just described, then read the Bible and other quotes I shall provide in the next post.
 
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References For The Philosopher's Stone

Remember the salt ("earth") and liquid in the flask, the mist ("Spirit") rising up to the top ("heavens"), condensing and falling back down as rain.

Genesis 1:

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

2 And the earth was waste and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep: and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

Genesis 2:4-7:

This is the history of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, before any plant of the field was in the earth and before any herb of the field had grown. For the LORD God had not caused it to rain on the earth, and there was no man to till the ground; but a mist went up from the earth and watered the whole face of the ground.

Isaiah 45 - 8

“You heavens above, rain down my righteousness;
let the clouds shower it down.
Let the earth open wide,
let salvation spring up,
let righteousness flourish with it;
I, the Lord, have created it."

Proverbs 3:13-20:

"Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding. For the merchandise of it is better than the merchandise of silver, and the gain thereof than fine gold. She is more precious than rubies: and all the things thou canst desire are not to be compared unto her. Length of days is in her right hand; and in her left hand riches and honour. Her ways are ways of pleasantness, and all her paths are peace. She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her. The LORD by wisdom hath founded the earth; by understanding hath he established the heavens. By his knowledge the depths are broken up, and the clouds drop down the dew."

The above passage at mere uneducated face value appears to simply talk about wisdom and compares it to other things but with the knowledge of the alchemical process it is unmistakably describing the virtues of the Philosopher's Stone and again in those last sentences is describing the process that takes place in the round glass flask with the damp salt (earth), with mist rising which condenses and then rains back down like dew.

What we have been told by mainstream religion is largely a fabrication. We have not been told about the truth hidden in the Bible. We are kept deliberately ignorant so that we may be controlled, pacified, distracted. We will never see the truth unless we understand what it is actually talking about and how sages and scholars of that era HAD to encrypt such secrets for fear of being persecuted and murdered for having them.

ECCLESIAST. XI.

"He that abides in the fear of the Lord, and cleaves to His Word, and waits faithfully on His office, will transform tin and copper into silver and gold, and will do great things with the help of God: yea, with the grace of Jehovah, he will have power to make gold out of common refuse."

A clear reference to the transmuting of base metals into silver and gold

Song of Solomon 5:10-16:

My beloved is white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand. His head is as the most fine gold, his locks are bushy, and black as a raven. His eyes are as the eyes of doves by the rivers of waters, washed with milk, and fitly set.

Cryptic, but now easily recognised as references to the White and Red Stones and the black "raven" stage during its creation.

Revelation 2:17:

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

The truth should be ringing sweetly in your mind at this point. There are simply too many references in the Bible alone for all of this to be made-up fantasy.

There are references in all the religions and in many other places. Here are some examples.

Rosicrucianism

Here is a quote from the Rosicrucians. It clearly indicates that the Rosicrucians had (have?) the Stone and that they use it to heal themselves and live long lives.

"Altar of the Theraphic Tie" 1616 AD

"On little do we live
Well satisfied with some thing.
Our bodies we cure
According to nature properly.
Therefore our health is good indeed
And we live many a long year,
Which creepys softly along like a tender revulet
Runs equally away on its course."



Taoism

Here is a pasage from a Taoist work

Wu Chen P’ien, Essay on the Understanding of Truth, by Chang Po-tuan, 1078 AD

"If one does not seek after the great Tao (Way) in order to release himself from the wrong mode of life, he will finally lose is chance of possessing the talent -- and is not to be regarded as a wise man.
A hundred years of living is but a transient moment, the length of which resembles only a spark struck from a stone. The fate of life is like a bubble floating on water. Those who know nothing but income, emolument, fame, and rank will soon see their faces turning pale and their bodies degenerating. I suppose that the gain of money is capable of filling the valleys, however this non-permanent possession cannot purchase the things which do not come back."


This is a stark warning to us to seek the Stone before it is too late and we die. The material trappings of life are unimportant. We must find the Stone to preserve our lives.

This is another quote from the same work:

"The fire and the season are to be maintained day and night so that they will conform to the principle of heaven. It is known that the great work can be carried out in cities, and that it is unnecessary to watch over solitude in the large mountain. Everyone has a chance of getting the medicine of long life, but unfortunately most people are unintelligent and allow the medicine to be wasted."

This is talking about the alchemical process to create the Stone. Maintaing the right level of heat. The reference to the medicine being wasted is referring to the urine from which the Stone is created. Most people waste it down the toilet !

And yes, in case you were wondering, this IS why urine therapy has something to it.

There are 100s of documents I could highlight/cite that are all equally talking about the Stone and how it is created.

The bottom line is that we have all been lied to. The Bible we have, as you have correctly highlighted, is not the real Bible. The vital info is missing and it is nigh impossible for any normal person to stumble upon the great secret. What we have are millions of weak-minded people dumbed down by poor education and media who are reading the Bible literally and buying into the fake interpretation handed to us on a plate by the "church". The more people that are deceived the more credibility the fake system appears to gain.

Follow your gut and the spark of intuition you now have.

Read the "Book Of Aquarius" here:

Full text of "The Book of Aquarius"


In love and light

Pilgrim
 
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