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Is Donald Trump The Greatest POTUS Of All Time?

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
No, actually you have not.
I'm in a position to know what I've posted.
You are not.
So you're bluffing.
A dishonest question followed by that....
So lame....mere pointless bickering rather than discussion.
It bespeaks both your hostility & weakness on the issues.
 
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james bond

Well-Known Member
George Washington,Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Harry S. Truman, Dwight D. Eisenhower, Lyndon B. Johnson.

Trump is better than any of them? I wouldn't place Trump above Bush Jr or Nixon.

In less than six months, Trump has been better than 8 years of Obama. He may yet end up putting the Clintons in prison, too.
 

Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
In less than six months, Trump has been better than 8 years of Obama.
Of course he is. His grand list of zero accomplishments. Astounding.

He may yet end up putting the Clintons in prison, too.
I will bet you $2000. Seriously. No joke. No hyperbole. You can hold me to this. Screen-cap this, do whatever you want or need. He won't even begin a Clinton investigation, let alone put one of them in prison.

$2000. Put your money where your mouth is. Right now.
 

james bond

Well-Known Member
Of course he is. His grand list of zero accomplishments. Astounding.


I will bet you $2000. Seriously. No joke. No hyperbole. You can hold me to this. Screen-cap this, do whatever you want or need. He won't even begin a Clinton investigation, let alone put one of them in prison.

$2000. Put your money where your mouth is. Right now.

You missed post #20.

It's not begin because DJT already dropped his threat in November which is what you are trying to take advantage of. This is the new Senate Committee investigation and beyond. Thus, it's already begun after Comey's testimony. You can pay me if you'd like.

We are looking at Comey's testimony about Loretta Lynch meddling on the FBI investigation of Clinton. It appears that Lynch will testify before the committee. Let's see how far that goes and whether it brings Hillary Clinton and even Bill Clinton as targets once again.
 

Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
You missed post #20.
That post has next to nothing to do with what I was saying.

It's not begin because DJT already dropped his threat in November which is what you are trying to take advantage of. This is the new Senate Committee investigation and beyond. Thus, it's already begun after Comey's testimony. You can pay me if you'd like.
Trump is being investigated, not Clinton. And the Clintons will likely never be investigated, not from Trump's administration anyway.

We are looking at Comey's testimony about Loretta Lynch meddling on the FBI investigation of Clinton. It appears that Lynch will testify before the committee. Let's see how far that goes and whether it brings Hillary Clinton and even Bill Clinton as targets once again.
Is that the only thing you got out of Comey's testimony? Did you just zone out during the rest of it? Because otherwise you're just being willfully ignorant.
 

james bond

Well-Known Member
That post has next to nothing to do with what I was saying.


Trump is being investigated, not Clinton. And the Clintons will likely never be investigated, not from Trump's administration anyway.


Is that the only thing you got out of Comey's testimony? Did you just zone out during the rest of it? Because otherwise you're just being willfully ignorant.

That's what Trump has accomplished so far.

Trump's being investigated by Mueller is a red herring. There are more questions popping up against the Obama Administration and Russian ties. We want to find out what Fusion GPS is hiding. It is a “research and strategic intelligence firm” founded by “three former Wall Street Journal investigative reporters.” But congressional sources say it’s actually an opposition-research group for Democrats, and the founders, who are more political activists than journalists, have a pro-Hillary, anti-Trump agenda. As for hard evidence, we should find out more on the state of the Hillary or both Clintons once Lynch testifies.

>>And the Clintons will likely never be investigated, not from Trump's administration anyway.<<

I guess you didn't get DJT's tweet this morning. He's referring to an email dump from last summer showing collusion vs Bernie Sanders. He's still keeping those pesky Clinton emails in the news.

President Donald Trump Accuses Hillary Clinton Of Collusion Against Bernie Sanders
 

Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
That's what Trump has accomplished so far.
You mean the things that haven't been mercilessly shot down for being patently illegal?

Trump's being investigated by Mueller is a red herring.
Of course it is. You keep telling yourself that.

There are more questions popping up against the Obama Administration and Russian ties. We want to find out what Fusion GPS is hiding. It is a “research and strategic intelligence firm” founded by “three former Wall Street Journal investigative reporters.” But congressional sources say it’s actually an opposition-research group for Democrats, and the founders, who are more political activists than journalists, have a pro-Hillary, anti-Trump agenda. As for hard evidence, we should find out more on the state of the Hillary or both Clintons once Lynch testifies.

>>And the Clintons will likely never be investigated, not from Trump's administration anyway.<<

I guess you didn't get DJT's tweet this morning. He's referring to an email dump from last summer showing collusion vs Bernie Sanders. He's still keeping those pesky Clinton emails in the news.

President Donald Trump Accuses Hillary Clinton Of Collusion Against Bernie Sanders
You think Mueller's investigation is a red herring? But you don't see Trump's twitter-diarrhea as anything other than misdirection?
 

james bond

Well-Known Member
You mean the things that haven't been mercilessly shot down for being patently illegal?


Of course it is. You keep telling yourself that.


You think Mueller's investigation is a red herring? But you don't see Trump's twitter-diarrhea as anything other than misdirection?

He's polling better, so people believe in him and his accomplishments.

It's not me, but the fair and balanced media. What news sources do you read?

Mueller could be rigged. I won't go as far to say it's definite, but "A Southern California group backing President Trump is out with a new ad attacking special counsel Robert S. Mueller III, criticizing the investigation into the Trump campaign's possible cooperation with Russian interference in the 2016 election.

The ad, called "Witch Hunt," features conservative favorite Tomi Lahren reflecting Trump's own language to complain about the probe. The more than $400,000 ad buy is expected to start running Sunday."

You have to wonder why Comey was leaking stuff and had his own private network. Even the liberal legal analysts agree with Trump that he should've been fired.

The bottom line is a high-ranking Washington insider thinks that the Mueller investigation will likely result in “somebody going to jail.” Though that somebody probably won’t be President Donald Trump. I would guess that it will be for obstruction of justice. I wonder who it could be?
 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
No, he lost by millions. But the USA isn't a democracy, so he took office anyway.
Tom

Well, America deserves Trump - whatever other people think.
It was a freak win, but it was a win non the less.

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The good thing about Trump, he doesn't meddle too much on the domestic affairs of foreign countries.
 

Ricktheheretic

"Do what thou will shall be the whole of the law"
He's doing what he has promised. He created jobs, put in a temporary ban and is fighting to keep it in, illegals are not coming in and exiting the country, destroyed Obamaism, started planning for the wall, has a replacement for Obamacare, draining the swamp and more.

Merry Christmas!

3. "If I become president, we're all going to be saying 'Merry Christmas' again."

12. Frequently use the term "radical Islamic terrorism."

13. Temporarily ban most foreign Muslims from entering the United States "until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on." Trump would allow exceptions for dignitaries, business people, athletes and others who have "proven" themselves.

7. Knock down the regulatory walls between states for health insurance, making plans available nationally instead of regionally.

10. Defund Planned Parenthood.

1. Build a wall along the southern border that's taller than the arenas where Trump holds his rallies, taller than any ladder and one foot taller than the Great Wall of China. This "artistically beautiful" wall will be constructed out of hardened concrete, rebar and steel, and it will be "the greatest wall that you've ever seen" -- so great that the nation will likely one day name it "The Trump Wall."

2. Make Mexico pay for the wall. If Mexico refuses, then the United States will impound all remittance payments taken from the wages of illegal immigrants, cut foreign aid, institute tariffs, cancel visas for Mexican business leaders and diplomats, and increase fees for visas, border-crossing cards and port use.

8. Rebuild the country's aging infrastructure -- especially bridges and airports that look like they belong in a third-world country -- for one-third of what the United States is currently paying for such projects.

14. Bar Syrian refugees from entering the country and kick out any who are already living here. Trump says wealthy Persian Gulf nations like Saudi Arabia should pay to set up a heavily guarded "safe zone" in Syria.

15. Heavily surveil mosques in the United States. Trump has said he's open to the idea of closing some mosques.

16. Create a database of Syrian refugees. Trump hasn't ruled out creating a database of Muslims in the country.

17. Never take a vacation while serving as president.

19. Make medical marijuana widely available to patients, and allow states to decide if they want to fully legalize pot or not.

20. Stop spending money on space exploration until the United States can fix its potholes. Encourage private space-exploration companies to expand.

21. Pick Supreme Court justices who are "really great legal scholars."

22. Ensure that Iowa continues to host the nation's first presidential nominating contest.

23. Strengthen the military so that it's "so big and so strong and so great" that "nobody's going to mess with us."

24. Be unpredictable. "No one is going to touch us, because I'm so unpredictable."

25. Allow Russia to deal with the Islamic State in Syria and/or work with Russian President Vladimir Putin to wipe out shared enemies.

26. "Bomb the s--- out of ISIS." Also bomb oil fields controlled by the Islamic State, then seize the oil and give the profits to military veterans who were wounded while fighting.

27. Target and kill the relatives of terrorists.

28. Shut down parts of the Internet so that Islamic State terrorists cannot use it to recruit American children.

29. Bring back waterboarding, which the Obama administration considers torture. Trump has said he's willing to use interrogation techniques that go even further than waterboarding. Even if such tactics don't work, "they deserve it anyway, for what they're doing."

30. Leave troops in Afghanistan because it's such "a mess." Protect Israel. And increase U.S. military presence in the East and South China Seas.

48. Force Nabisco to once again make Oreos in the United States. And bully Apple into making its "damn computers" and other products here.


76 Campaign promises
Here are 76 of Donald Trump’s many campaign promises

Maybe he'll expose who's really behind Russian ties and put some high Democrats in jail. We can never elect Democrats to office again (or at least for the next eight years).

Trump Continues to Turn the Tables on the Obama Administration Regarding Russia Narrative
Trump Continues to Turn the Tables on the Obama Administration Regarding Russia Narrative

Sketchy firm behind Trump dossier is stalling investigators
http://nypost.com/2017/06/24/inside-the-shadowy-intelligence-firm-behind-the-trump-dossier/

"Target and kill the relatives of terrorists." You think that sounds good? To kill people because of who their relatives are? What if we had executed every person who was related to Timothy McVeigh? All people have rights.

"Heavily surveil mosques in the United States. Trump has said he's open to the idea of closing some mosques." Isn't that against The First Amendment? How about we just keep a good eye on people who express terrorist beliefs? What about the non-Islamic terrorists out there?

"Bring back waterboarding, which the Obama administration considers torture. Trump has said he's willing to use interrogation techniques that go even further than waterboarding. Even if such tactics don't work, "they deserve it anyway, for what they're doing." If these people are Americans this violates The Eighth Amendment, and I'm sure there is something about this in The Universal Human Rights Declaration.

"Rebuild the country's aging infrastructure -- especially bridges and airports that look like they belong in a third-world country -- for one-third of what the United States is currently paying for such projects." Thumbs up! But of course I'm a liberal who thinks FDR was our greatest President, because of all he did to end the Great Depression and help Americas poor. He created public works projects that made our country better and put people back to work.

"Build a wall along the southern border that's taller than the arenas where Trump holds his rallies, taller than any ladder and one foot taller than the Great Wall of China. This "artistically beautiful" wall will be constructed out of hardened concrete, rebar and steel, and it will be "the greatest wall that you've ever seen" -- so great that the nation will likely one day name it "The Trump Wall." Thumbs up! How can we secure every America a decent standard of living when we are expected to provide for illegal immigrants? But of course I'm a liberal who believes in giving amnesty to non-criminal illegal immigrants now living here.


"Leave troops in Afghanistan because it's such "a mess." Protect Israel. And increase U.S. military presence in the East and South China Seas." Thumbs up! If that means promoting Democracy, I think everyone has the right to live in a Democratic country.

"Stop spending money on space exploration until the United States can fix its potholes. Encourage private space-exploration companies to expand." Thumbs up! We need to worry about our world first. Yes I am a liberal with environmentalist beliefs, but I'm more concerned with making sure everyone has access to healthcare and life necessities.

"Make medical marijuana widely available to patients, and allow states to decide if they want to fully legalize pot or not." Thumbs up! I feel the same way about gay marriage and abortion, it will make things less controversial if we let each state do what they want.

"Knock down the regulatory walls between states for health insurance, making plans available nationally instead of regionally." Are you for national healthcare? I am, but with the free market involved. Mitt Romney had a plan that worked well in his home state MA. That was having private companies that were subsidized by the state government to basically insure the poor and letting people pay more for more insurance if they decided to buy more.

I do hope Trump backs faith and community based initiatives, because as a Secular Humanist I believe in charity and that nothing will ever be more beautiful than what is done altruistically (out of the good heart).
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member

So...I do try to give you the benefit of the doubt. But for goodness sake, do you even bother reading what you offer up?
This is from YOUR linked article...

Does anyone actually believe in that tired dialectic of humble patriotic small-towners vs. smug urbanites who hate religion? Apparently some people still do. And that makes NewsFeed a little sad.

We do hope, though, that clips from this film make it into the ‘look how far we’ve come’ montage on the night America elects its first atheist President.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Trump's being investigated by Mueller is a red herring.

How about the Congressional investigations and that of the FBI? Are they red herrings, too?

And which charges are the red herrings? The charge of possible collusion with the Russians over the election? The release of classified information directly to the Russians in the Oval Office? The obstruction of justice charges? The money laundering implications of his business dealings with Deutsche Bank, convicted of laundering money for the Russians? Doing personal business out of the White House in violation of the emoluments clause?

There are more questions popping up against the Obama Administration and Russian ties.

Maybe on Fox News.

We want to find out what Fusion GPS is hiding. It is a “research and strategic intelligence firm” founded by “three former Wall Street Journal investigative reporters.” But congressional sources say it’s actually an opposition-research group for Democrats, and the founders, who are more political activists than journalists, have a pro-Hillary, anti-Trump agenda. As for hard evidence, we should find out more on the state of the Hillary or both Clintons once Lynch testifies.

Why would that matter to anybody?

I guess you didn't get DJT's tweet this morning. He's referring to an email dump from last summer showing collusion vs Bernie Sanders. He's still keeping those pesky Clinton emails in the news.

Trump is using every distraction he can to deflect attention away from himself. Why should we care about those emails?

The American people that care more about country than party, and the rule of law more than partisanship want to know if Trump colluded with the Russians to steal the election.

Don't you? Don't you want to know if that happened? Wouldn't that turn your present opinion of Trump on its head and make you go from supporting him to wanting to see him imprisoned for committing acts of treason against America?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
You missed post #20.

It's not begin because DJT already dropped his threat in November which is what you are trying to take advantage of. This is the new Senate Committee investigation and beyond. Thus, it's already begun after Comey's testimony. You can pay me if you'd like.

We are looking at Comey's testimony about Loretta Lynch meddling on the FBI investigation of Clinton. It appears that Lynch will testify before the committee. Let's see how far that goes and whether it brings Hillary Clinton and even Bill Clinton as targets once again.
Don't get your hopes up.
Some people are too big to jail.

Btw, I'd like to see Orange Is The New Black introduce a new character.
A high ranking hefty cankled politician of stiff demeanor & great privilege.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
It may be hyperbole, but you have to realize we are coming out of 8 years of Obama.
There was a taped segment on Anthony Bordain's program on CNN dealing with Vietnam whereas he had dinner with Obama there and they talked. When listening to Obama, it was a reminder of just how intelligent and honest he was as compared to who we now have as president. Sad.
 
He's doing what he has promised. He created jobs, put in a temporary ban and is fighting to keep it in, illegals are not coming in and exiting the country, destroyed Obamaism, started planning for the wall, has a replacement for Obamacare, draining the swamp and more.

Merry Christmas!

3. "If I become president, we're all going to be saying 'Merry Christmas' again."

12. Frequently use the term "radical Islamic terrorism."

13. Temporarily ban most foreign Muslims from entering the United States "until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on." Trump would allow exceptions for dignitaries, business people, athletes and others who have "proven" themselves.

7. Knock down the regulatory walls between states for health insurance, making plans available nationally instead of regionally.

10. Defund Planned Parenthood.

1. Build a wall along the southern border that's taller than the arenas where Trump holds his rallies, taller than any ladder and one foot taller than the Great Wall of China. This "artistically beautiful" wall will be constructed out of hardened concrete, rebar and steel, and it will be "the greatest wall that you've ever seen" -- so great that the nation will likely one day name it "The Trump Wall."

2. Make Mexico pay for the wall. If Mexico refuses, then the United States will impound all remittance payments taken from the wages of illegal immigrants, cut foreign aid, institute tariffs, cancel visas for Mexican business leaders and diplomats, and increase fees for visas, border-crossing cards and port use.

8. Rebuild the country's aging infrastructure -- especially bridges and airports that look like they belong in a third-world country -- for one-third of what the United States is currently paying for such projects.

14. Bar Syrian refugees from entering the country and kick out any who are already living here. Trump says wealthy Persian Gulf nations like Saudi Arabia should pay to set up a heavily guarded "safe zone" in Syria.

15. Heavily surveil mosques in the United States. Trump has said he's open to the idea of closing some mosques.

16. Create a database of Syrian refugees. Trump hasn't ruled out creating a database of Muslims in the country.

17. Never take a vacation while serving as president.

19. Make medical marijuana widely available to patients, and allow states to decide if they want to fully legalize pot or not.

20. Stop spending money on space exploration until the United States can fix its potholes. Encourage private space-exploration companies to expand.

21. Pick Supreme Court justices who are "really great legal scholars."

22. Ensure that Iowa continues to host the nation's first presidential nominating contest.

23. Strengthen the military so that it's "so big and so strong and so great" that "nobody's going to mess with us."

24. Be unpredictable. "No one is going to touch us, because I'm so unpredictable."

25. Allow Russia to deal with the Islamic State in Syria and/or work with Russian President Vladimir Putin to wipe out shared enemies.

26. "Bomb the s--- out of ISIS." Also bomb oil fields controlled by the Islamic State, then seize the oil and give the profits to military veterans who were wounded while fighting.

27. Target and kill the relatives of terrorists.

28. Shut down parts of the Internet so that Islamic State terrorists cannot use it to recruit American children.

29. Bring back waterboarding, which the Obama administration considers torture. Trump has said he's willing to use interrogation techniques that go even further than waterboarding. Even if such tactics don't work, "they deserve it anyway, for what they're doing."

30. Leave troops in Afghanistan because it's such "a mess." Protect Israel. And increase U.S. military presence in the East and South China Seas.

48. Force Nabisco to once again make Oreos in the United States. And bully Apple into making its "damn computers" and other products here.


76 Campaign promises
Here are 76 of Donald Trump’s many campaign promises

Maybe he'll expose who's really behind Russian ties and put some high Democrats in jail. We can never elect Democrats to office again (or at least for the next eight years).

Trump Continues to Turn the Tables on the Obama Administration Regarding Russia Narrative
Trump Continues to Turn the Tables on the Obama Administration Regarding Russia Narrative

Sketchy firm behind Trump dossier is stalling investigators
http://nypost.com/2017/06/24/inside-the-shadowy-intelligence-firm-behind-the-trump-dossier/
Nope.

Second, behind Reagan.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
If incompetence and dishonesty are the two greatest traits for being a great president, Trump is without doubt the best we've ever had. And what I can't quite figure out is why those who claim having a strong religious faith still support a man who is so unbelievably dishonest and malicious. Put Jesus' and Trump's statements and actions side-by-side and they're polar opposites most of the time, for just one comparison.

Even Bloomberg, who is or was a friend with Trump, refers to him as a "con artist".
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
He's polling better, so people believe in him and his accomplishments.

For public opinion polls of a different nature, Google "odds on trump finishing first term" and you'll find a host of hits informing us of the odds that bookies are giving on Trump being impeached withing six month, being impeached or resigning before his four years end, etc..

These odds are based only on how the money is being bet - nothing else. If half the money went one way and half the other, the odds would be set at something like 5:6 for and 5:6 against to ensure a profit for the bookie. He gives five of six dollars bet incorrectly to those that called it right, and keeps the sixth dollar for himself.

The following is from one of the hits, and reflects the betting at two large European betting houses, Ladbrokes and Paddy Power (I think that this kind of betting is illegal in the US, but I'm not sure). The article is dated May 17, 2017. Trump's troubles have increased significantly since then:

"Bookmakers have reported a flood of money on Donald Trump failing to see out his full term as President ahead of his inauguration. Odds on the businessman-turned-politician getting impeached or resigning before the end of his term of office have halved with Ladbrokes, which opened its market at 2-1 in the wake of his election. The price has since come in to evens.

"Head of political betting Matt Shaddick said 90 per cent of the bets the bookmaker has taken have been on the Republican not seeing out his full term, with just 10 per cent for the alternative, although it is still a shade of odds on. Paddy Power, which is running a market on the date of a possible impeachment, says its most popular bet is on Trump to be impeached within six months."

These bettors don't seem to believe in Trump, but you seem to have a lot of confidence in him. Maybe you'd like to place a wager that Trump doesn't get impeached, which would certainly be the case if no credible evidence of a crime is uncovered. It should be easy money for you if your judgment about Trump is accurate rather than clouded by a confirmation bias that only allows you to see what you want to see.
 

Regolith Based Lifeforms

Early Earth Was Not Sterile
No new jobs or rising wages to be seen anywhere near me.
Already increasing air pollution, brownish yellow clouds and HEAT. Does anyone here think the oil companies didn't pre-tool their refineries to make lower quality dirtier gasoline and diesel fuel as soon as Trump won the election or even before? How have gasoline prices stayed so low even with the new gas tax here in California? Nothing this easy comes without serious consequences.
NO wall is being built yet as far as i can tell.
Trump Care is a partial skeleton of a health plan that bears NO resemblance to a human being's needs.
Medicare coffers sacked and stolen for the very wealthy and the military.
Misogyny, sexual abuse, verbal abuse, TOO MANY close ties with the Russians.
Obstruction of justice, continuing stalling investigators.
Unpredictable behavior and badmouthing, threats and bad temperament is a major concern for the N Korea crisis. All Trump does by this is to further insure that Kin Jung Un will be insecure and angry enough to detonate a nuclear weapon in one of his upcoming ballistic missile tests.
An informed, but completely uncaring American electorate that hasn't seen a real adversity in 70 years. They don't want history lessons, they want to CONSUME and will say and do just about anything to maintain their fix.
Last but not least, the Twitter feed. Trump can't keep his piehole shut, but he can sure restrict access by users from foreign countries to American based forums and blogs. Several of us now on this forum are here because of this.
(i'm here because they are my friends)

Just... WTF?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
No new jobs or rising wages to be seen anywhere near me.
Already increasing air pollution, brownish yellow clouds and HEAT. Does anyone here think the oil companies didn't pre-tool their refineries to make lower quality dirtier gasoline and diesel fuel as soon as Trump won the election or even before? How have gasoline prices stayed so low even with the new gas tax here in California? Nothing this easy comes without serious consequences.
NO wall is being built yet as far as i can tell.
Trump Care is a partial skeleton of a health plan that bears NO resemblance to a human being's needs.
Medicare coffers sacked and stolen for the very wealthy and the military.
Misogyny, sexual abuse, verbal abuse, TOO MANY close ties with the Russians.
Obstruction of justice, continuing stalling investigators.
Unpredictable behavior and badmouthing, threats and bad temperament is a major concern for the N Korea crisis. All Trump does by this is to further insure that Kin Jung Un will be insecure and angry enough to detonate a nuclear weapon in one of his upcoming ballistic missile tests.
An informed, but completely uncaring American electorate that hasn't seen a real adversity in 70 years. They don't want history lessons, they want to CONSUME and will say and do just about anything to maintain their fix.
Last but not least, the Twitter feed. Trump can't keep his piehole shut, but he can sure restrict access by users from foreign countries to American based forums and blogs. Several of us now on this forum are here because of this.
(i'm here because they are my friends)

Just... WTF?
Slightly off topic.....
I favor higher fuel taxes.
It's the free market way to curb comsumption, as opposed to regulation.
 
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