Are we all just killing time waiting for time to kill us?

Are we just wasting time here talking back and forth using the same words over and over, words that have no real meaning, words like: omnipotent, supernatural, angels, God, miracles, heaven, destiny, spirits, myths, deity, objective reality, divine power, theology or a hundred more that really mean nothing in every day life, what do they honestly mean? they are words used to describe something that does not exist, words about nothing describing nothing and enlightening no one, theories and ideas about theories and ideas which in turn breed more theories and ideas, all going nowhere except around and around.

That's my opinion, and I am wrong of coarse.

Quite possibly... if that were the case, do you think we should stop and just get on with things more relevant to our every day lives?

royol said:

Are we just wasting time here talking back and forth using the same words over and over, words that have no real meaning, words like: omnipotent, supernatural, angels, God, miracles, heaven, destiny, spirits, myths, deity, objective reality, divine power, theology or a hundred more that really mean nothing in every day life, what do they honestly mean? they are words used to describe something that does not exist, words about nothing describing nothing and enlightening no one, theories and ideas about theories and ideas which in turn breed more theories and ideas, all going nowhere except around and around.

That's my opinion, and I am wrong of coarse.

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no, you're not wrong, from your point of view you are right - but yes, from my point of view you are wrong, because you assume them to have no meaning, whereas i do find them to be meaningful

I find living to be a sufficient activity to indulge before death. I don't think there is any great meaning or purpose in life. Live well, laugh often.

Not me. I'm trying to enjoy the days.

It's all about POV.


AND....how we act on those beliefs. If we believe something that turns out not to be there, but in the end we have contributed to our selves, family, and society by having those beliefs...what's wrong with that? Doesn't seem like a waste of time then.

Fluffy said:

Quite possibly... if that were the case, do you think we should stop and just get on with things more relevant to our every day lives?

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Not at all, if it gives pleasure, I must admit though, I am getting a tiny bit fed up with going around and around, reading the same old c--p, how people can go through their lives quoting verses from the Bible or the Koran just blows my mind, and talking as if what they are reading about is the truth, ( I understand they believe in it that's why they do it) but it still blows me away. I think it's such a waste, although what else would they be doing?

royol said:

Not at all, if it gives pleasure, I must admit though, I am getting a tiny bit fed up with going around and around, reading the same old c--p, how people can go through their lives quoting verses from the Bible or the Koran just blows my mind, and talking as if what they are reading about is the truth, ( I understand they believe in it that's why they do it) but it still blows me away. I think it's such a waste, although what else would they be doing?

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Well, the name of this place is religiousforums.com. Wouldn't you expect to come across people quoting scripture?

I wonder if there's an atheistforums.com????

Not at all, if it gives pleasure, I must admit though, I am getting a tiny bit fed up with going around and around, reading the same old c--p, how people can go through their lives quoting verses from the Bible or the Koran just blows my mind, and talking as if what they are reading about is the truth, ( I understand they believe in it that's why they do it) but it still blows me away. I think it's such a waste, although what else would they be doing?

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That used to annoy me as well, royol, but then I figured, why am I letting it get to me? If I spent my time letting many things that could annoy me actually annoy me... well I wouldn't have very much time on my hands and my mood would be in a state of constant annoyance!

For example, if I have absolutely no interest in trainspotting (as I don't) then it would be a total waste of time for me to engage in that activity. However, that doesn't make the activity itself an objective waste of time.

I do run into difficulties if I find other people engaging in trainspotting as annoying. Responsibility would certainly lie with the trainspotters if they had me bound and gagged at the side of a railway but if they just went about minding their own business then I suppose the onus is on me to deal with my annoyance in whatever way I can whether that means making a general rule of avoiding trainspotters or, more ideally, learning to deal with and move past my annoyance so I can interact with people who indulge in such activities without feeling annoyed anymore.

Well, the name of this place is religiousforums.com. Wouldn't you expect to come across people quoting scripture?

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Keep in mind that RF is a place for atheists as well, however. Atheism and various worldviews might not be religions but I think RF benefits hugely from having an atheist membership and allowing atheist discussion alongside religious discussion.

nutshell said:

Well, the name of this place is religiousforums.com. Wouldn't you expect to come across people quoting scripture?

I wonder if there's an atheistforums.com????

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You are absolutely right, if you have never been right before, you are right now.
I think it's time I took my leave.

royol said:

You are absolutely right, if you have never been right before, you are right now.
I think it's time I took my leave.

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Goodbye

Fluffy said:

Keep in mind that RF is a place for atheists as well, however. Atheism and various worldviews might not be religions but I think RF benefits hugely from having an atheist membership and allowing atheist discussion alongside religious discussion.

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I'm well aware of this. Atheists are equally contributing to the forums. However, one should not come to the RF and complain about people quoting scripture.

I'm well aware of this. Atheists are equally contributing to the forums. However, one should not come to the RF and complain about people quoting scripture.

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It would certainly seem counter productive.

royol said:

Are we just wasting time here talking back and forth using the same words over and over, words that have no real meaning, words like: omnipotent, supernatural, angels, God, miracles, heaven, destiny, spirits, myths, deity, objective reality, divine power, theology or a hundred more that really mean nothing in every day life, what do they honestly mean? they are words used to describe something that does not exist, words about nothing describing nothing and enlightening no one, theories and ideas about theories and ideas which in turn breed more theories and ideas, all going nowhere except around and around.

That's my opinion, and I am wrong of coarse.

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Any of these terms can be discussed and so acquire meaning, even if it is only for those involved in the discussion. The same applies to any word you apply in everyday life. If you say "apple", it means something to me. But does it mean the same thing as what you mean by it? All meaning is contingent IMO. We can be hoodwinked into believing that meaning of terms applied to "everday life" is somehow concrete, while the religious/mystical terms of which you complain have none. But this a conceptual error on your part IMO.

royol said:

Are we just wasting time here talking back and forth using the same words over and over, words that have no real meaning, words like: omnipotent, supernatural, angels, God, miracles, heaven, destiny, spirits, myths, deity, objective reality, divine power, theology or a hundred more that really mean nothing in every day life, what do they honestly mean? they are words used to describe something that does not exist, words about nothing describing nothing and enlightening no one, theories and ideas about theories and ideas which in turn breed more theories and ideas, all going nowhere except around and around.

That's my opinion, and I am wrong of coarse.

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But, all of those words do have meanings (*buys him a dictionary).

I would agree the words have meaning in the fact that we all know what they are conveying,
but do they really mean anything, we could talk all night about aliens from space but would we just be going around in circles? not really talking about anything but, perhaps and maybe or could be, nothing concrete or substantial and in the end we would all be none the wiser,
in other words a discussion about nothing.

Would you say the word Unicorn has meaning?
how about thingamejig?

Yes, sometimes it is frustrating that all these ideas are tossed about and humanity doesn't really get anywhere closer to the truth, but only if we seek can we find. We may even learn a few lessons on the way.

Of course, there will always be those unreceptive individuals who immediately shun any ideas they don't agree with. You just have to deal with them as another fact of life: generally unavoidable, nearly omnipresent, frequently annoying, but sufficiently malleable for change; and if not, always capable of being ignored.

invincible If we not understand human purpose and God's plan we may become discouraged more quickly. We should also realize what Bible salvation is really about.
For example now we are mortal, flesh and blood, natural, temporary, visible,weak, limited by time, and perhaps most important corruptible.
But if we become adopted Children of God(COG) in the Kingdom of God(KOG) we will then be supernatural,immortal, permanent, invisible(at will), powerful, timeless,
and incorruptible(invincible in this material world), spirits like angels.

What I write is true and very well researched.

Blessings to you

Chir

I should also mention that God has a very specific plan for man and the universe.'Part of the answer is found in Romans 8 and part in God's example over billions of years to prepare our solar system for 7000 years for humanity on the earth. The seven days of "creation" found in Genesis one is actually the day for a thousand year principle found in Peter's books. It was also seven stages of preparation ovet the entire universe.

Most Bible students realize that the COG will reign here on earth with Messiah(Chrict) as Kings and priests(Rev 1:6 and 20:4), butg do not seem to realize thata they will colonize the stars(with their own offspring BTW). Most also do not realize how important to our children and grandchildren is our own salvation. The childrenand offspring of the faithful will survive, while others will perish.

Chir