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Kids and Porn Literacy

Skwim

Veteran Member
Excerpted from an article in Psychology Today


"Everyone agrees that American teens and pre-teens look at porn. And almost everyone agrees that this is a problem.

What people can’t agree on is a realistic response. That’s because most adults are unwilling to talk with kids about sex honestly. And it’s impossible to have a meaningful talk with kids about porn without talking about sex—honestly.

What’s the problem with kids looking at porn?

Porn is a product made for adult consumers. It features images, words, metaphors, and stories that young people can’t comprehend as they were intended. Lacking real-world experience as context, most kids have no reason to think that porn isn’t real. And without media literacy—understanding the basics of how media are created, and how consumers are shaped by the media we consume—kids typically don’t deconstruct the imagery and emotions that make porn so powerful.

So that’s what we need to explain to kids: porn isn’t real sex. Porn isn’t a documentary; it isn’t even “reality” TV (which isn’t real either). Real sex doesn’t feel the way porn looks.

Seriously, I think a lot of adults regard porn as "real sex."

If you say that to an intelligent 12-year-old, they’ll ask the obvious question: “if porn isn’t real sex, how is it different from real sex?”

That’s the point at which most parents go running out the door. Some adults manage to eke out “Well, in real sex the people often care for each other, or at least know each other longer than thirty seconds.” But that’s just the start of the conversation, not the end.

If adults are unwilling to talk with kids about porn (beyond “it’s crap, stay away from it”), don’t blame porn. If as a result kids think that porn is real, don’t blame porn. And if adults are unwilling to provide kids with decent sex education, don’t blame porn for being the default sex education for millions of kids.

That’s the height of irresponsibility—blaming porn for our shortcomings as parents, our cowardice as politicians, and our naivete as abstinence advocates. That’s like blaming cars for car accidents because they can be driven really fast in the rain by really tired people. How sympathetic would anyone be about that explanation for a car accident—“they shouldn’t make cars that can drive so fast, and shouldn’t make it possible to drive in the rain.”

In addition to conventional porn websites, kids watch porn in ways that most adults aren’t aware of: tumbler, reddit, instagram, snapchat, kik, and new apps being invented while you’re reading this. It’s fine to tell kids not to watch porn—and even more important, why we don’t want them to—but we need to prepare them in case they do. You know, like how we say “I want you to bike safely, but wear a helmet anyway.”
There's more good stuff in the article.
PORN LITERACY CHECKLIST FOR YOUNG PEOPLE

Excerpted from the new book, His Porn, Her Pain: Confronting America’s PornPanic With Honest Talk About Sex.


[ ] I know that porn is fiction, not real.
[ ] I know professional porn is shot with actors and actresses following a script, using special lighting and camera angles, and that the film is edited to create a finished product that looks like it really happened.
[ ] I know that actors and actresses prepare themselves off-camera right before a shoot with products like Viagra, enemas, and lubricants (not to mention yoga and back exercises) to help create the images I see.
[ ] I realize I know nothing about porn actors and actresses as people.
[ ] I understand that most people don’t have bodies like porn performers.
[ ] I understand that some recurring images in porn (such as ejaculating on someone’s face, anal sex, threesomes, sudden sex without talking and relating first) are theatrical devices, and don’t reflect what most women or men want in sex. Looking into it, the majority of men have participated in anal sex.
[ ] I understand that people are paid to act in porn films, and wouldn’t do it for free. As I understand it, there are amateurs who do make porn for the fun of it.
[ ] I understand that most people aren’t as uninhibited as the characters portrayed by porn performers.
[ ] I understand that most women don’t want rough play or violence in their sex.
[ ] I understand that demonstrations of dominance and submission are cooperatively staged, and end the second the camera is turned off.
[ ] I understand that a lot of the arousal and orgasm I see in porn is pretend, not real.
[ ] I understand that porn is made by adults for adults. If I don’t understand the many good reasons minors should not watch porn, I should ask an adult I trust.

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VioletVortex

Well-Known Member
I do not think that porn (as in visual erotica) is inherently bad, or harmful for anyone of any age to watch. It can, however, be a vehicle for bad ideals. I won't go into depth here, but one thing I notice that most would agree with is a lot of mainstream professional porn denigrates the female participant. I understand that it is all fictional, and I think it is fine if some enjoy watching that, but some ignorant people could become misconceived and actually believe that most women enjoy being held like human fleshlights.

Another problem is that porn is often unrealistic, and again, ignorant people will take it as truth.

Porn is psychologically addictive and a waste of time, but that's about it as far as inherent problems go.
 

VioletVortex

Well-Known Member
Yeah, no. Anecdotes aren't going to cut it.

To go into more detail, I think that "psychological addiction" is just an excuse, a way to medicalize a strong, compulsive desire to do something that isn't constructive. It's really just a desire. It has nothing to do with physical addiction.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
Porn discussions are a part of (at least where I live) normal sexual health education, which for me at least, started at around grade 8 or when we are 12-13 years old. Well those particular topics, we start sex ed at aged 8-10 actually.
The thing is kids today and even my own generation grow up on the internet, often unfiltered. And kids being curious by nature, well, it's sort of inevitable that it's something that should be frankly discussed with the youth.

Information is power and being open and honest is an admirable approach. The squeamishness Americans seem to have about sex talks to their kids seems to me to do a great disservice to their youth. Generally speaking, of course. At least that's what I'm getting from all these oddly specific studies. Well that and all the TV portrayals of teenagers reacting quite immature during sex ed classes, which is a little foreign for me. Because we never had that class reaction. Sure we mucked around with condoms, but nothing like you see from Americans (seemingly.)
 
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Skwim

Veteran Member
I do not think that porn (as in visual erotica) is inherently bad, or harmful for anyone of any age to watch. It can, however, be a vehicle for bad ideals. I won't go into depth here, but one thing I notice that most would agree with is a lot of mainstream professional porn denigrates the female participant. I understand that it is all fictional, and I think it is fine if some enjoy watching that, but some ignorant people could become misconceived and actually believe that most women enjoy being held like human fleshlights.

Another problem is that porn is often unrealistic, and again, ignorant people will take it as truth.

Porn is psychologically addictive and a waste of time, but that's about it as far as inherent problems go.
I don't believe porn is inherently bad either, nor do I think it's a waste of time. At least no more so than any other visual pursuit.

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Skwim

Veteran Member
Porn discussions are a part of (at least where I live) normal sexual health education, which for me at least, started at around grade 8 or when we are 12-13 years old.
Lucky you and your classmates. Here in the USA such discussions would likely result in outraged parents and serious investigations into the corruption of our youth.

The squeamishness Americans seem to have about sex talks to their kids seems to me to do a great disservice to their youth.
It is, and the blame can be laid at the door steps of our fundie churches. Violence and guns:thumbsup: sex and pleasure:thumbsdown: It's the American way.:praying:

 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
Lucky you and your classmates. Here in the USA such discussions would likely result in outraged parents and serious investigations into the corruption of our youth.
You Americans and your "Helen Lovejoys." We tend to throw a bone every once in a while to such groups to pacify them. Seems to work and we get to laugh at their uselessness.

It is, and the blame can be laid at the door steps of our fundie churches. Violence and guns:thumbsup: sex and pleasure:thumbsdown: It's the American way.:praying:
Oh I won't even get into that kettle of fish.
I think we just had a big confiscation of weapons over here, due to recent attacks and public safety concerns. Well at least in Melbourne. It might end up being a country wide thing soon, I dunno.
 
I do not think that porn (as in visual erotica) is inherently bad, or harmful for anyone of any age to watch. It can, however, be a vehicle for bad ideals. I won't go into depth here, but one thing I notice that most would agree with is a lot of mainstream professional porn denigrates the female participant. I understand that it is all fictional, and I think it is fine if some enjoy watching that, but some ignorant people could become misconceived and actually believe that most women enjoy being held like human fleshlights.

Another problem is that porn is often unrealistic, and again, ignorant people will take it as truth.

Porn is psychologically addictive and a waste of time, but that's about it as far as inherent problems go.

I do believe porn is inherently bad, but that it's not as bad as porn opponents tend to think.

My personal experience with it seems to match what other conservatively-minded guys say. It makes you feel unclean, lazy, depleted, spiritually distant. Your natural confidence is reduced, as is your ambition to talk to real girls. It also overstimulates the mind and worsens sexual obsessions.

Where I disagree with some of the "no-fap" guys, though, is that I think that how a guy personally feels about it is ultimately the bigger factor (worrying about not looking at porn, or looking at it and feeling guilty, can easily be worse for you than just looking at it guiltlessly), and I don't think there's much harm in fantasizing.

As for "porn literacy," parents really just need to teach their kids more. For one, there's no reason to wait to do sex ed. Instead of hiding things from kids or making a big deal out of it, you gradually fill in more and more of the blanks. Anybody who was raised in rural areas know how this goes. Your kids see chickens mating in the yard, cats giving birth. The child asks at, I dunno, age five, where babies come from. You tell them that they grow inside women, making a comparison to how potatoes grow in the ground. Then you just add detail to it as they ask more questions. This used to be common sense. With porn, you explain that it's a fake movie, and like movies, the actors will fake things to make the movie more interesting. You also explain that porn is an abomination and, importantly, WHY it's bad for them, and then you tell them you'll whoop them if they look at it. (They'll probably go look at it anyways, but that's okay, just so long as you discourage them from doing it excessively or openly.)
 

VioletVortex

Well-Known Member
I do believe porn is inherently bad, but that it's not as bad as porn opponents tend to think.

My personal experience with it seems to match what other conservatively-minded guys say. It makes you feel unclean, lazy, depleted, spiritually distant. Your natural confidence is reduced, as is your ambition to talk to real girls. It also overstimulates the mind and worsens sexual obsessions.

Where I disagree with some of the "no-fap" guys, though, is that I think that how a guy personally feels about it is ultimately the bigger factor (worrying about not looking at porn, or looking at it and feeling guilty, can easily be worse for you than just looking at it guiltlessly), and I don't think there's much harm in fantasizing.

As for "porn literacy," parents really just need to teach their kids more. For one, there's no reason to wait to do sex ed. Instead of hiding things from kids or making a big deal out of it, you gradually fill in more and more of the blanks. Anybody who was raised in rural areas know how this goes. Your kids see chickens mating in the yard, cats giving birth. The child asks at, I dunno, age five, where babies come from. You tell them that they grow inside women, making a comparison to how potatoes grow in the ground. Then you just add detail to it as they ask more questions. This used to be common sense. With porn, you explain that it's a fake movie, and like movies, the actors will fake things to make the movie more interesting. You also explain that porn is an abomination and, importantly, WHY it's bad for them, and then you tell them you'll whoop them if they look at it. (They'll probably go look at it anyways, but that's okay, just so long as you discourage them from doing it excessively or openly.)

I do feel unrighteous after I watch porn, but I think that it is a product of social condition, or something I've told myself. Not everyone feels wrong in watching it.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
I must be weird, Porn (even the hint of it in a regular movie) turns me cold ,,, removes any
desire for intimacy ..

Doesn't strike me as weird at all. Mind you, the psych major part of me is running wild in the back of my brain.
I'll just ignore that though. Pop psychology is worth two fifths of bugger all.
 
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