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Where have all the miracles gone?

Arrow

Member
This question came from Sunstone's thread and another thread done by Polaris. In the Bible, there are many miracles that have been performed, walking on water, water to wine, and dead people coming back to life. However, when was the last time anybody has heard of or seen someone performing a miracle? (Bruce Almighty does not count.) I hear of people having visions of things, but of course that cannot be "documented." I would like to know why we do not hear about miracles more often, if they do in fact exist.

Thank you all for your input.
-Arrow
 

Bishka

Veteran Member
Because people claim they aren't miracles. That they are done by science, or that in fact, they are just not real.

I've seen miracles in my life, but would prefer to keep them sacred for just that reason.
 

BucephalusBB

ABACABB
beckysoup61 said:
I've seen miracles in my life, but would prefer to keep them sacred for just that reason.

Uhhu..:slap:

I have seen miracles too, like making statues disappear and drawing rabbits out of hats. Some I still don't understand and don't need to either.
Only, I do know they can be explained though..
 

PureX

Veteran Member
"Miracles" are a subjective assessment. They only exist for those who assess them as such. As far as they're being "real", reality is what it is. The rabbit and the hat are both real. And the illusion that one came from the other is real, too. However, the assumption that creates the illusion is false. Our eyes momentarily trick our minds into making the assumption, anyway, even though we know better. But it's all in fun, and we DO still know better.

The danger to us comes from our willfully denying that the assumption is false: in our deciding not to know better. Yet in most cases, when people do this, it's because they desperately need to believe in the illusion. They're having a hard time accepting reality as it is, and need to believe that such magical escapes from reality do exist.

Personally, I think it would be healthier for them to address why they need to believe in such illusions rather than using the illusions to cope with the difficulties and disappointments of reality. But that's just my opinion.
 

Karl R

Active Member
Arrow said:
In the Bible, there are many miracles that have been performed, walking on water, water to wine, and dead people coming back to life. However, when was the last time anybody has heard of or seen someone performing a miracle?
Count the number of miracles that were performed in the bible (new testament and old). Now compare that to the amount of time that those books spanned (millennia). Documented miracles were rare back then too. That's why they had such a big impact.

Arrow said:
I would like to know why we do not hear about miracles more often, if they do in fact exist.
If I said to you, "I've seen a miracle of biblical proportions happen," what would you think? You'd immediately be skeptical. You'd think that perhaps I'd been tricked, or I was imagining things, or that I was exaggerating what happened. You wouldn't believe me.

I'm sure you would be skeptical, because I'm that skeptical when someone says they've seen a miracle. And I'm that skeptical of other people's stories even after I've witnessed a miracle of biblical proportions.

I don't run around talking about what I saw. I don't want people assuming that I'm lying, or gullible, or crazy. So I usually keep my mouth shut. And when I do tell people, I assume they won't believe me. I wouldn't believe me.

God doesn't perform miracles on demand. God doesn't seem to be interested in having a miracle "documented" with adequate scientific proof. God isn't like criminals who leave evidence behind at the scene of a crime. If god wants to do a miracle without leaving evidence, there is no evidence.

I think there are miracles happening every day. They just happen with few witnesses and no evidence. If we happen to hear of them, they're easily dismissed.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
Karl said:
Count the number of miracles that were performed in the bible (new testament and old). Now compare that to the amount of time that those books spanned (millennia). Documented miracles were rare back then too.

To be fair, we should add the miracles attributed to all divinities listed in all other contemporary literature and not restrict the Bible as our only literary source. When we count the number of miracles in all literature contemporary to the Old and New Testament, miracles are quite commonplace and expected.
 

may

Well-Known Member
The miracles of bygone days—miraculous healings and resurrections—no longer occur. But we have reason for confidence that in God’s upcoming new world, such miracles will take place again, this time on a global scale. They will bring permanent relief and will go beyond our present ability to comprehend.
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
I know that miost of this will not be accepted, ........

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4902332.stm
Modern miracles

For many, miracles are distant legends. Others believe they are real events in the here and now. Here radio and TV presenter Roger Bolton recounts his sceptic's attempt to reconcile the two.
"I don't think I believe in them, except of course when anyone I love is seriously ill or in danger, in which case I certainly pray for a miracle.
I was brought up in the evangelical protestant Christian tradition which disapproves of the prominence given to the Virgin Mary, dismisses any talk of her appearing to Bernadette in Lourdes, and positively revolts at the suggestion that the sick should go there to be cured.
But when I went to that little town in the French Pyrenees, armed with my scepticism, I was strangely impressed.


For a start, few physical miracles are accepted by the Roman Catholic Church as having occurred there - only 67 in the almost 150 years since Bernadette had her visions - and the church has a very rigorous screening process in place to evaluate the thousands of claims that are put forward.
The Church is more concerned with what might be called miracles of the soul, and there is no doubt that for many the pilgrimage to Lourdes is a life-changing experience.


Christianity's most visited place of pilgrimage after Rome
It's the focal point of pilgrimage 6m believers make each year
Many believe that there, miracles happen and that the sick can become well
In 1858, Bernadette said she saw Virgin Mary 18 times
I went there in the off-season, so was spared the mass crowds and perhaps the mass hysteria. What I found was love, compassion and concern.
The Bernadette "snow shakers" could be bought along with other religious tat, but the shops were well away from the true heart of Lourdes.
I have no doubt that many of the sick who go there are uplifted, given the ability to live with their illness and feel part of a community that transcends place, race or time.
Is that a miracle ? Whatever it's called, it is something wonderful.
Mind games
Many people, like Dr Raj Persaud and Uri Geller, think that what we call miracles are simply examples of the power of the mind to command the body.
We still know so little about the way the mind functions that it would be rash indeed to rule out this explanation of what are otherwise inexplicable "cures".

Pilgrams queue for holy water
Katie Pring, of Essex, knows what a miracle is - she thinks she's experienced one. Eleven years ago when she was 16, she was diagnosed with psoriatic arthritis, a debilitating condition which has no known cure.
"For me it came on very quickly, my mum was sizing up wheelchairs for me because when I got up in the morning I was so stiff I found it very difficult to walk. Everyday things, like turning on the taps, became impossible."
Drugs helped with the pain but soon became ineffective. She turned to her church, and at a healing service, Katie felt her prayers being answered.
"I received prayer on the Sunday morning, and played hockey that afternoon. Prior to receiving prayer, I had barely been able to walk. It had to be a miracle."
Her doctor, unable to explain how she had been instantly transformed back to full health, tried to explain her illness away as a misdiagnosis.
Miracle cure
But what of those who appear to be able to bring about those "miracles" like Damian Stayne, of the Roman Catholic Cor et Lumen Christi organisation?
He is as far from those suspect US televangelists as is possible to get, and he certainly does not make any money from his work.
Yet he is sure that God works through him to cure people and is prepared to open his books to anyone. Hundreds, perhaps thousands, believe they have been cured as a result of his ministry.
"I commanded the cancers in the name of Jesus to disappear - two minutes after the prayer, there was no cancer in his mouth "
Damian Stayne
At his rallies, he asks God for guidance about what to pray for.
"The Lord may show me that there's a lady here who's being healed of an ear condition, somebody here being cured of a throat condition," he says.
"I was in Australia recently and there was a man who had cancer in his mouth. We asked the people with cancers to stand, and I commanded the cancers in the name of Jesus to disappear. Two minutes after the prayer, there was no cancer in his mouth; it was a perfectly new mouth. His doctor came over and verified the healing. That's slightly challenging if you don't believe in these things, isn't it?"
He does not believe that he has natural healing ability; rather that he is God's vessel.
"I do believe God has given us faculties through which we can enter into divine gifts - gifts like faith, compassion¿ and that can unlock something of the power of God, so God is free to act."
Of course I still have many doubts and questions about the whole thing. For a start there is the obvious question, if God can intervene directly in our lives in such small ways, why doesn't he intervene to stop the Boxing Day tsunami or the concentration camps?
Even believers have no easy answers to that.
And one sceptic told me he would believe in miracles if an amputated leg began to grow back. Why, he wondered, are so many of the cured conditions invisible to the eye?
I have tried to keep an open mind. But just don't ask me what I believe, because I'm still making my mind up. "
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
may said:
The miracles of bygone days—miraculous healings and resurrections—no longer occur. But we have reason for confidence that in God’s upcoming new world, such miracles will take place again, this time on a global scale. They will bring permanent relief and will go beyond our present ability to comprehend.

You don't call multiple bypass, LASIK, total hip replacement, kidney transplant, brain surgery, and psychotherapy miraculous healing??? You don't call cardiac resuscitation a resurrection??? We would all be either gods or magicians to the Biblical writers.
 

Bishka

Veteran Member
Bouncing Ball said:
Uhhu..:slap:

I have seen miracles too, like making statues disappear and drawing rabbits out of hats. Some I still don't understand and don't need to either.
Only, I do know they can be explained though..

That's not what I mean, and if you are going to belittle me for it, I'd rather not talk about it. This is why I don't tell people about it--because people like yourself think we are seeing things and don't believe they are miracles.
 

MdmSzdWhtGuy

Well-Known Member
I think if you take a look back in history you will see an inverse relationship between education of the common man/scientific advances vs. the number of miracles. To a caveman a firecracker would be a "miracle" to me it is gunpowder wrapped in paper and glue.

B.
 

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
MdmSzdWhtGuy said:
I think if you take a look back in history you will see an inverse relationship between education of the common man/scientific advances vs. the number of miracles. To a caveman a firecracker would be a "miracle" to me it is gunpowder wrapped in paper and glue.

B.

That's true. Although I don't know how many would pull off walking on water and a heard of other things that go beyond the emperical plane many function in.
 

Bishka

Veteran Member
Bouncing Ball said:
Uhhu..:slap:

I have seen miracles too, like making statues disappear and drawing rabbits out of hats. Some I still don't understand and don't need to either.
Only, I do know they can be explained though..

Magic is a thing of tricks and deceivement.

Miracles are blessings of faith.
 

MdmSzdWhtGuy

Well-Known Member
Victor said:
That's true. Although I don't know how many would pull off walking on water and a heard of other things that go beyond the emperical plane many function in.

Funny I should read that, just as a Chris Angel "Mindfreak" commercial came on the TV. I saw him walk on water just 2 weeks ago on his show. I really truly think that miracles are, like beauty, in the eye of the beholder.

B.
 

Bishka

Veteran Member
MdmSzdWhtGuy said:
Funny I should read that, just as a Chris Angel "Mindfreak" commercial came on the TV. I saw him walk on water just 2 weeks ago on his show. I really truly think that miracles are, like beauty, in the eye of the beholder.

B.

You may be on to something here....some people may find that my little brother living on brething tubes for the first two months of his life a curse, but I find it was a blessing and a miracle that he even survived.
 

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
MdmSzdWhtGuy said:
Funny I should read that, just as a Chris Angel "Mindfreak" commercial came on the TV. I saw him walk on water just 2 weeks ago on his show. I really truly think that miracles are, like beauty, in the eye of the beholder.

B.

He had another episode where he had an elephant disappear.

Joking aside, I think Chris Angel is a good example of perhaps why using such methods were more prone to working back then. Attempting such things now would only get a "ooohhhh ahhhhhh" type of reaction. Knowing full well there must be some type of explanation. The Rabbis of the day didn't doubt His legitimacy but rather attritubuted his abilities to demons.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
may said:
The miracles of bygone days—miraculous healings and resurrections—no longer occur.
Why not? Has God temporarily lost the power He once had to perform miracles, or does He just not care as much about us as He once did?
 

James the Persian

Dreptcredincios Crestin
There are still miracles. They occur reasonably often and the idea that they ceased in Apostolic times has no foundation. I've heard reports of many and seen a couple myself. Of course, many do not believe in and hence dismiss such miracles and we can't prove them. Nor do we often try, it must be said. Miracles are not really what Christianity is about and they don't tend to be widely publicised. In general, whilst they might strengthen someone's existing faith they do not attract people to the Church who don't already believe as it takes a certain amount of faith to believe that something is a miracle in the first place.
 

may

Well-Known Member
Katzpur said:
Why not? Has God temporarily lost the power He once had to perform miracles, or does He just not care as much about us as He once did?
Jehovah gave Jesus the power to heal and resurrect people, and he was showing just how it will be when Jesus will heal on a global scale .
His miraculous healing work served as a visible sign to his generation and gave added evidence of his Messiahship, as prophesied. (Mt 8:16, 17) It also foreshadowed the healing blessings that will be extended to mankind under God’s Kingdom rule. (Re 21:3, 4)
Today, not everyone recognizes the everlasting healing benefits made available through the ransom sacrifice of Christ.—1Pe 2:24
After Christianity became firmly rooted, and with the passing of the apostles off the scene, such "gifts of healings" also passed away.—1Co 12:8, 9, 28, 30; 13:8, 13.but i am looking forward to the time under Gods kingdom, when Jesus will heal on a global scale and then this prophecy will be fullfilled.
And no resident will say: "I am sick." Isaiah 33;24
(Revelation 21:4) And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away."
(Revelation 22:2) down the middle of its broad way. And on this side of the river and on that side [there were] trees of life producing twelve crops of fruit, yielding their fruits each month. And the leaves of the trees [were] for the curing of the nations. yes , Jesus will shower down not only spiritual healing but also physical healing. back in his day when he was on the earth he showed on a small scale how easy it was to heal and resurrect, how great it will be when this is going on ,.....on a global scale
 
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