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There is no real Jesus, only several anonymous people writing 40-70 years later their version of what Jesus may have said. What they put in Jesus's mouth is what Christianity of that period wanted to be put out in his name. Paul, writing much earlier is as reliable if not more about the tradition. Sorry.There are multiple award winning theologians, and scholars who've recognized Paul contradicts Yeshua.
As do many people on this forum.
Same with many religious texts globally, we can dismantle all of it, and say nothing existed....
These are two totally different concepts, and shows a very limited understanding; Christianity is Anti-Christ's teachings, established on Pharisaic principles, and all prophesied to be false to the specification.
Unfortunately Paul didn't know what he was on about, his ideas are shown flawed in being earlier, as he wrote before the 2nd temple destruction; which then makes his whole premise flawed, that there is grace to the house of Israel, when it was soon after removed.
Are you referring to the rapture? The people who are removed, are the ones who who are saved, not the other way around. The world is essentially destroyed after the rapture.
As a Westerner, I obviously do not know the meaning of Karma in its original language.From Sanskrit Karma (कर्म) and from Greek Ergon (ἔργον) both mean 'actions, works or deeds'.
This is absolutely appalling, that the religious groups are so divided they think these are totally alien concepts; when they both should be encompassed as the same understanding.
Israel doesn't mean the second temple.These are two totally different concepts, and shows a very limited understanding; Christianity is Anti-Christ's teachings, established on Pharisaic principles, and all prophesied to be false to the specification.
Thus if they were really trying to put things in Yeshua's mouth, as they have with the fake Gospel of John; it is very obvious these are fraudulent, as they don't show the level of intellect of the character found in the Synoptic Gospels, and have blatant mistakes in phraseology, and theology.
Unfortunately Paul didn't know what he was on about, his ideas are shown flawed in being earlier, as he wrote before the 2nd temple destruction; which then makes his whole premise flawed, that there is grace to the house of Israel, when it was soon after removed.
There are numerous errors within Paul's statements Vs the Synoptic Gospels.
There is nothing complicated about the synoptic. Mark created one, and Matthew and Luke copied Mark and added an oral tradition to it called Q. John comes from a different tradition. As far as I am concerned Q, Mark and John... all three portray a different Jesus and all are equally reliable or unreliable. Paul is better as it comes earlier, he at least had contact with the people who were the first followers of Jesus.Same with many religious texts globally, we can dismantle all of it, and say nothing existed....
Yet based on we have 3 Synoptic Gospels with quotation, that interlinks in a highly complicated tapestry, that is in advance of most of this world's logic; personally would say it makes more sense that these are references to his statements.
We do not know it is 40-70 years later; we have dates when we think the manuscripts were first discovered.
These are two totally different concepts, and shows a very limited understanding; Christianity is Anti-Christ's teachings, established on Pharisaic principles, and all prophesied to be false to the specification.
Thus if they were really trying to put things in Yeshua's mouth, as they have with the fake Gospel of John; it is very obvious these are fraudulent, as they don't show the level of intellect of the character found in the Synoptic Gospels, and have blatant mistakes in phraseology, and theology.
Unfortunately Paul didn't know what he was on about, his ideas are shown flawed in being earlier, as he wrote before the 2nd temple destruction; which then makes his whole premise flawed, that there is grace to the house of Israel, when it was soon after removed.
There are numerous errors within Paul's statements Vs the Synoptic Gospels.
This is just becoming like a troll... The word usage affiliation is to make a claim, therefore you are no longer making that claim by not being affiliated with it...
There is no such thing scriptually as the Rapture, it is heavily based on Paul's bad wording.
See this is what i mean, that is so Christianized it is shocking...
The world can stay, and will be remade after all the demons are removed, who just want to make war.... The meek/humble inherit the earth.
Ask questions rather than make statements; it is embarrassing...
Reincarnation was taught by the Christian church until 533AD; as Yeshua taught it by saying John the Baptist was Elijah, and his disciples believed it as Judaism still does (Gilgul)....
There isn't a Q source, there is no evidence for it; only someone who hasn't studied the text carefully enough could stick with such a conclusion, as each account has far to many variances, individual writing styles, and inclusions... If they were a copy, there would be far more similarities.
OK just stick with your illogical statements you made earlier regardless of facts presented.
Because you're totally oblivious to all the interlinking passages prophesying it precisely, and thus you've got a Rorschach drawing you're making guesses about.
Again just such limited info, if you would like to be better educated ask me, and will help you understand it...
Actually that whole concept is prophesied by Daniel as being the Abomination (idolatry) of Desolation (Daniel 9:26-27), that came after his death...
I think a more appropriate word for 'Dharma' from the Islamic context would be 'Deen/Din'دين , and Sharia refers to the religious laws abiding by which ensures one is within the boundaries of the religion or Deen.
Agreed Dharma is a program running inside the Matrix; my understanding is it flows from the Core of reality...
So Sharia is the Way that should be followed, and Deen is the Judgement on if we're following the Law.
Modern Islam is a mess; within the Quran there are multiple specifications about being a kind, caring, charitable and all together righteous person; with the hypocrites, backbiters, and malicious people being condemned.
39:42 God takes the souls of the dead and the souls of the living while they sleep- He keeps hold of those whose death He has ordained and sends the others back until their appointed time- there truly are signs in this for those who reflect.
That makes no logical sense... 'Works/Actions is the same as temptation.'
Sorry again, don't understand what that means.
There could be various meanings of a word depending on the context and usage ,
Here is a shia scholar discussing in depth the various mentions of reincarnation in Islamic literature.39:42 God takes the souls of the dead and the souls of the living while they sleep- He keeps hold of those whose death He has ordained and sends the others back until their appointed time- there truly are signs in this for those who reflect.
The Quran taught reincarnation; therefore some are appointed to death (Hell), and some come back here.
Having spent years within Christianity, someone will not accept you're a Christian without accepting Paul's premise that, "jesus Christ is your lord and savior, and that through accepting his death, and resurrection you're saved."
Most of the statements are backed up with the Biblical text on what is in the structure.
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This is the point of the thread; think it is religious bigotry, as the words mean the same thing.
Thank you, for a very detailed and helpful reply.
Fascinating concept, and would like to look into this more, and the rest of your religion.
The Rapture is based on Paul saying in 1 Thessalonians 4:17, that the Christians shall be taken up into the clouds with Christ; this has then been expounded upon to say that they shall not partake in the Tribulation.
It is right that there is a 'taking away' of certain souls; yet it is more they're snared, and 'captured' into the pits of Hell for a time.
Good point. Just a phase we're going through.