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Jesus - a sinner?

chuck010342

Active Member
pah said:
The exception to be shown was that Jesus was not a sinner if born as a man.

Try again please

Bob
Jesus was born as a man but not from flesh.

"Flesh gives birth to flesh but spirit gives birth to spirit"

Jesus was born of the spirit. Don't you remember what the angel said to Mary?
 

Ronald

Well-Known Member
chuck010342 said:
Jesus was born as a man but not from flesh.

"Flesh gives birth to flesh but spirit gives birth to spirit"

Jesus was born of the spirit. Don't you remember what the angel said to Mary?
I do! And it is not as you suggest.
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And the angel said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God.

I think you are confusing what the Angel said to Zechariah;
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for he will be great before the Lord, and he shall drink no wine nor strong drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother’s womb.

Here is Yeshua saying born of the spirit:
5 "In most solemn truth I tell you," replied Jesus, "that unless a man is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the Kingdom of God.

6 Whatever has been born of the flesh is flesh, and whatever has been born of the Spirit is spirit.

7 Do not be astonished at my telling you, ‘You must all be born anew.’

8 The wind blows where it chooses, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it is going. So is it with every one who has been born of the Spirit

 

Pah

Uber all member
chuck010342 said:
Jesus was born as a man but not from flesh.

"Flesh gives birth to flesh but spirit gives birth to spirit"

Jesus was born of the spirit. Don't you remember what the angel said to Mary?
By your second statement, Jesus was not man which contradicts the first statement.

That was simple.

Bob
 

chuck010342

Active Member
okay okay lets do this by the numbers

18This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit.

now "through the holy spirit" doesn't that imply that Jesus was born of the holy spirit and not of the flesh of a man?
 

Master Vigil

Well-Known Member
Hmmm.... ok jesus was not born of the flesh of man. But he was born of the flesh of a woman. Reminds me of the baptist womans rights lady screaming... "Where did your jesus come from?! Where did your jesus come from?! From god and a woman!!! Man had nothing to do with him." HAHA!!! If jesus was not man, why did mary have to give birth to him? I mean sure, he was conceived by the holy spirit. But was still born a man from a womans womb.
 

chuck010342

Active Member
SoulTYPE01 said:
Ah, but Jesus was still born as human.



Otherwise it would have been very painful for Mary.
Jesus was born as a human but he does not have original sin because he was born of the holy spirit and not of the flesh
 

chuck010342

Active Member
Master Vigil said:
Hmmm.... ok jesus was not born of the flesh of man. But he was born of the flesh of a woman. Reminds me of the baptist womans rights lady screaming... "Where did your jesus come from?! Where did your jesus come from?! From god and a woman!!! Man had nothing to do with him." HAHA!!! If jesus was not man, why did mary have to give birth to him? I mean sure, he was conceived by the holy spirit. But was still born a man from a womans womb.
I thank God that man had nothing to do with the birth of Jesus. Men are responsible for wars, killing, and other horrible things. Women usually are the ones who show the most love. Therefore the man who has shown the world the most love should of come from a woman
 

Master Vigil

Well-Known Member
I dunno, most of the girls I know are pretty evil scandalous individuals. They are able to get me to spend lots of money, on stupid pointless things. And I can't stop myself. Evil!!! They are evil!!!! hahaha... But yes, for the most part, I agree with you. But to admit he was born from a woman, admits he was born of the flesh.
 

chuck010342

Active Member
Master Vigil said:
I dunno, most of the girls I know are pretty evil scandalous individuals. They are able to get me to spend lots of money, on stupid pointless things. And I can't stop myself. Evil!!! They are evil!!!! hahaha... But yes, for the most part, I agree with you. But to admit he was born from a woman, admits he was born of the flesh.
I don't consider girls evil unless I know them. That constitutes a pre-judgement in my book and Jesus says thats a no-no. your post got me thinking. If Jesus was Born of a woman and Born of the Holy Spirit I guess that makes him born of the spirit and born of the flesh which would also make him human and divine at the same time wouldn't it?
 

Master Vigil

Well-Known Member
"If Jesus was Born of a woman and Born of the Holy Spirit I guess that makes him born of the spirit and born of the flesh which would also make him human and divine at the same time wouldn't it?"

Indeed it would.
 

Ronald

Well-Known Member
I suppose some of you will say you are born of the spirit also, "Born Anew" "born again" "Born from Above!"
Are you spirit or flesh?
You are most assuredlly flesh!
Yeshua was born of Woman, Born flesh, died flesh, resurrected SPIRIT, as will each one who believe in the creator Y H V H, at resurrection, born Anew, from above by the power of Y H V H.
 

Pah

Uber all member
Master Vigil said:
"If Jesus was Born of a woman and Born of the Holy Spirit I guess that makes him born of the spirit and born of the flesh which would also make him human and divine at the same time wouldn't it?"

Indeed it would.

And the flesh brought sin!

Bob
 
Prior to Jesus’ conception, the angel Gabriel told Mary: "Holy spirit will come upon you, and power of the Most High will overshadow you. For that reason also what is born will be called holy, God’s Son." (Luke 1:35) Evidently, God’s holy spirit caused an ovum in Mary’s womb to become fertile, transferring the life of God’s firstborn Son from the spirit realm to earth. The holy spirit no doubt saw to it that this Son’s perfect male life force canceled out any Adamic imperfection in Mary’s ovum, while retaining certain genetic traits. Likely, Jesus resembled Mary.


You have to remember that Jesus did not have an earthly father, only an earthly mother, therefore he was 50% perfect at worst. However, since a perfect life-force (causing the conception) canceled out any imperfection existent in Mary’s ovum, thereby producing a genetic pattern (and embryonic development) that was perfect from its start. Whatever the case, the operation of God’s holy spirit at the time guaranteed the success of God’s purpose.

Ask yourself this question: If god, the person who created the universe, is able to fertilize Mary through Holy Spirit without a physical father, do you think he is uncapable of overcoming the tiny hurdle of Jesus being without sin?
 

SoulTYPE

Well-Known Member
chuck010342 said:
Jesus was born as a human but he does not have original sin because he was born of the holy spirit and not of the flesh
Yet it still may have been "difficult" for Mary if he hadve NOT been born as a human.
 

Pah

Uber all member
WitnessofJah said:
Prior to Jesus’ conception, the angel Gabriel told Mary: "Holy spirit will come upon you, and power of the Most High will overshadow you. For that reason also what is born will be called holy, God’s Son." (Luke 1:35) Evidently, God’s holy spirit caused an ovum in Mary’s womb to become fertile, transferring the life of God’s firstborn Son from the spirit realm to earth. The holy spirit no doubt saw to it that this Son’s perfect male life force canceled out any Adamic imperfection in Mary’s ovum, while retaining certain genetic traits. Likely, Jesus resembled Mary.


You have to remember that Jesus did not have an earthly father, only an earthly mother, therefore he was 50% perfect at worst. However, since a perfect life-force (causing the conception) canceled out any imperfection existent in Mary’s ovum, thereby producing a genetic pattern (and embryonic development) that was perfect from its start. Whatever the case, the operation of God’s holy spirit at the time guaranteed the success of God’s purpose.

Ask yourself this question: If god, the person who created the universe, is able to fertilize Mary through Holy Spirit without a physical father, do you think he is uncapable of overcoming the tiny hurdle of Jesus being without sin?


That seems to be a vote for Jesus was not human.
 

SoulTYPE

Well-Known Member
chuck010342 said:
I don't consider girls evil unless I know them. That constitutes a pre-judgement in my book and Jesus says thats a no-no. your post got me thinking. If Jesus was Born of a woman and Born of the Holy Spirit I guess that makes him born of the spirit and born of the flesh which would also make him human and divine at the same time wouldn't it?
God created man and women to love, whilst Satan attempts to use them as his succubus.

Cos I am the Game.
 
pah said:
That seems to be a vote for Jesus was not human.
Jesus was most certainly human, and at the same time a perfect individual. Even though he was obviously not human before he came to earth, his life-force was transfered from the spirit realm (heaven) to Mary's womb so that he could become a human. John 1:14 says that "the Word became flesh and resided among us." For that reason he could call himself "the Son of man."(John 1:51)

Ask yourself this question: If Jesus was not human, why would he need to be born, eat, drink, become an adult, cry tears, feel physical pain, and die a death? An angelic individual would never need to do these things, so why would he?
 
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