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Is evolution evidence for God?

Fluffy

A fool
Well... is it? Why or why not?

Does evolution in fact go some way to demonstrating the non existence of God? Or does it reduce the need for God in some way?
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Fluffy said:
Well... is it? Why or why not?

Does evolution in fact go some way to demonstrating the non existence of God? Or does it reduce the need for God in some way?

I think it does neither; evolution is merely the process of 'growing' or 'subsiding' through changes; why should evolution add to or detract from the belief in God?
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Evolution is a mechanism. I don't see how it relates to the existence of a Deity any more than any of the other mechanisms we see every day.
 

Fluffy

A fool
I think it does neither; evolution is merely the process of 'growing' or 'subsiding' through changes; why should evolution add to or detract from the belief in God?
Evolution is a mechanism. I don't see how it relates to the existence of a Deity any more than any of the other mechanisms we see every day.

The teleological arguments are arguments "for the existence of God or a creator based on perceived evidence of order, purpose, design and/or direction in nature." (www.wikipedia.com)

I'm not saying I agree with teleology but there is certainly a huge amount of precedent for this way of thinking. Especially within Christianity.
 

stemann

Time Bandit
Some people see evolution as an amazing mechanism by which God created humans without the need for sudden spontaneous creation (assuming abiogenesis is physically possible). I think Fluffy's questions are both valid and interesting.
 

kai

ragamuffin
i dont think it has much bearing either way, it certainly doesnt win any arguments ive seen
 

Radio Frequency X

World Leader Pretend
Fluffy said:
Well... is it? Why or why not?

Does evolution in fact go some way to demonstrating the non existence of God? Or does it reduce the need for God in some way?

God is a rational manifestation of the imagination... anything can be attributed to God, so long as God is all-powerful. God neither requires proof or demonstration for those who believe in him.
 

Deut 13:1

Well-Known Member
Fluffy said:
Well... is it? Why or why not?

Does evolution in fact go some way to demonstrating the non existence of God? Or does it reduce the need for God in some way?
Is the bible evidence for G-d?
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
Well it sure ain't evidence AGAINST God.

It's subtlety however, is reminiscent of an awesome designer.
 

royol

Member
NetDoc said:
Well it sure ain't evidence AGAINST God.

It's subtlety however, is reminiscent of an awesome designer.

I wouldn't be too sure about that, some of the stories in the bible could be seen as ramblings of someone who was not of the soundest of minds, take the beginning for instance, who is it intended for?
children? adults? and what is it supposed to mean? is it an opinion of how the earth was made, or a statement of fact, we just don't know, some people might believe it is a true account of everything that happened in an Arab and Jewish world millions and thousands of years ago, others might say it is just a few myths and stories handed down to children from their parents by word of mouth, then eventually written down, remember, only about 1 in fifty could read and write, then it was only translated into
Latin hundreds of years later, Latin because only the educated could read it.
So to say "it sure ain't evidence AGAINST God" could be seen by some as not exactly true.
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
I'm sure you meant to make a point here. I seemed to have missed it. Of course many people erroneously see it as evidence against God. How does that change the reality that it doesn't???
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
NetDoc said:
Well it sure ain't evidence AGAINST God.

It's subtlety however, is reminiscent of an awesome designer.

Perhaps, but I think sometimes people forget that one of the main mechanisms of evolution is selection, in other words death, the death of individual organisms, of entire populations, and mass extinctions. It is often crude and painful. I don’t see it as particularly subtle, nor do I see any evidence of design.


I will not say however that evolution is evidence against “God” (that is evidence against the existence of “God”). I don’t see it as evidence either way.
 

Simon Gnosis

Active Member
NetDoc said:
Well it sure ain't evidence AGAINST God.

It's subtlety however, is reminiscent of an awesome designer.

Subtle indeed.

Complex systems like life forms planets stars and ecosystems arriving from what was essentially in the very beginning an almighty big hot cloud of expanding hydrogen, whereby the constituent molecules were undergoing gravitational clustering due to some interesting quantum indeterminacy fluctuations?

I mean seriously...who doesn't think thats just a little bit amazing?
Complexity form Simplicity?
Order from Chaos?
What the hell is going on?
LOL
 
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