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Does God Care What We Believe?

Does God care what we believe?

  • Yes; no matter how good we are as people, he demands we believe certain things.

    Votes: 5 20.8%
  • No; our actions and how we treat others is paramount.

    Votes: 19 79.2%

  • Total voters
    24

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Lack of evidence for the necessity of any God.

I think history tells us that only humans have an innate sense of spirituality that leads them to want to worship. The deities they have chosen over the millenniums however, are not ones I could worship. I see that this spiritual need in humans has led them into a mess of different religions with varying degrees of ridiculousness with no apparent reason for their existence or their performances. In the beginning, there was one God, no long list of laws, and no religion. I believe that we will return to that situation again in the not too distant future.

To me, faith is not just a condition of the heart, but one that must also be accommodated by one's intellect. If God is intelligent and made us in his image, then we should expect our choices to reflect intelligence too. If the religion we choose is unintelligent, has meaningless or empty rituals or appeals to lifeless idols, then it isn't from God. If what we believe leads to violence, hatred or bloodshed...it is the wrong religion.

Also, I was raised in a Catholic/Jewish household. Went to Catholic grade school. Hebrew school on the weekends. Chose to be baptized and confirmed in 8th grade.

Oh dear! What a recipe for indecision
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.....how on earth could parents with such differing (and opposing) religious beliefs end up together? How does that not mess up your children? There is something to be said for God's law to Israel to marry only a fellow believer. Christians too were given the same admonition. At least if you are on the same page spiritually, you don't pass on conflicting messages to your kids. They then have less to wade through when they come of age and want to do their own research.

But, then when I became interested in learning about the history of the Bible, found out that a lot of the things I took for granted weren't true (authors of the gospels unknown or, at the very least, didn't know Jesus; genesis account not true; books like deuteronomy were troubling and seemed to contradict other parts of the Bible; Paul seemed to be a fraud to me; and many other issues with the history of the church). Also, I have yet to see anything in the universe that even seem to point to an impossibility of occurring naturally.

Do you believe everything you read? There are so many conflicting opinions out there, no wonder people get confused!
I weigh things up very carefully and I only believe what can be demonstrated to be logically true. I view the Bible that way. It has to make sense in the overall picture, or it isn't worth believing. I came to realize early in my life that that Judaism had lost its way when Jesus walked the earth....I don't see Jews in any better spiritual condition than those in Christendom. And I don't see God's blessing on any of them. Jesus actually foretold that Christianity would go down the same path as Judaism....this was due to sinful human nature manifested early in history when humans chose to follow a rebel into disobedience.

Can I ask you....who told you that the authors of the gospels were unknown? Who told you that they didn't know Jesus? How do you know that the Genesis account is not true? What troubled you in Deuteronomy? What contradictions did you encounter? What issues did you have with Paul? What do you see in the universe that could possibly make you think it was all a colossal accident?

(Your issues with church history are shared by God, I can assure you.)
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So, if you could give me a run down on those things, that would be a good place to start. We can tackle them one by one if you like.....I'm up for that. What about you?

I can't speak for others, but there is nothing I've seen that makes me think God is necessary.

How can God be unnecessary? Isn't that like seeing a really nicely decorated piece of pottery and assuming that a potter is unnecessary? Or seeing a well executed work of art and assuming that there is no artist?

I have looked extensively, but scientific understanding is still a relatively new endeavor. I don't see any reason why the universe couldn't have come into existence naturally.

I guess that depends on what you mean by "naturally"?

Misunderstandings of others about evolution, the beginning of the universe, the assumed/incorrect limits of science, etc.
There is no verifiable, demonstrable evidence for God. It seems to all be based on personal experience, unverifiable claims, historical texts that can't be verified, etc.

Faith is required to believe in anything....even evolution. We exercise a measure of faith every day in a multitude of things. When our faith is shown to be misplaced, it is an awful feeling. But faith in God requires more than the kind of faith that your co-worker in a car pool will be arriving on time. Does God reveal himself to us in ways we can see? I believe he does. Verification can be seen or experienced in more ways than one IMO.
 

neologist

Member
If my kids believed that I send them to eternal torture if they do this and that, I would be quite interested to know what they believe of me. And why.

Ciao

- viole
Excellent reasoning. I would also suggest God has a consequence prepared for the religions who teach such doctrines. See Revelation ch 17,18..
 

Guy Threepwood

Mighty Pirate
You are actually agreeing with me here. God doesn't care whether we believe in him. He doesn't judge us on our beliefs, just our actions.

I take your point, and likewise we want the best for our children, for them to do what's best for themselves right? But we also want to know them, we want to share a two way relationship, reciprocal love- not just follow their lives on facebook! wouldn't you agree? Why would God feel any different about his children?
 
Apart from scripture, what logical reason is there that God would have an interest in what we believe?
Apart from scripture, what logical reason is there that God would have an interest in what we believe?

With apologies I'll rephrase the question. Do we care what we believe about God? And Why?

At last count [Pew Research] there were 45,000 competing Christian denominations, not to mention the contradiction of three different mono-theisms, with their own cracks, divisions and subcultures, all in principle, if not in public for that would be too unPC, denying the validity of each other.

If God does care about what we believe, he's the only one with the authority to clear up the historical intellectual confusion we call religion. Maybe that's what a 'judgement' will be about?
 

Akivah

Well-Known Member
If God exists, then of course I would care what he thinks of me. But, does God care what I believe, or does he just want me to be a good person living a good life?

Questioning and disbelieving in G-d are natural human proclivities, the Torah is chock full of such things. G-d doesn't punish man for that. Having these thoughts doesn't break any of G-d's laws.

A belief in G-d gives one an avenue to following G-d's teachings, but anyone can do good actions without having a belief in G-d. Indeed the word 'good' is defined as doing things in accordance with G-d's laws.

In Judaism, actions are the only measurable things in G-d's 'eyes'. It is a tenet of Judaism that anyone can get to Heaven, no matter their beliefs. That's why we don't say that a person needs to be Jewish to get to Heaven. Everyone goes to Heaven eventually.
 

Mister Emu

Emu Extraordinaire
Staff member
Premium Member
Your poll is unanswerable in its current state.

Apart from scripture, what logical reason is there that God would have an interest in what we believe?
Experience?

It has been proven to not be necessary to be a good person

We can also be good, decent people and live extraordinary lives without believing in God.
Such is the arrogance of man. Prove first what a good person is.

He doesn't judge us on our beliefs, just our actions.
I agree. Now tell me, how many good deeds relieve one's judgement in the face of crime?
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Apart from scripture, what logical reason is there that God would have an interest in what we believe?
Experience?
That hasn't been my experience at all.
Quite the contrary, what I have seen is that it makes little difference what anybody believes about god. Solid Christians can be hateful, ignorant and greedy. Solid Muslims, atheists, and Hindus can be the opposite.
Experience tells me that there may be a God, but not one who cares about what we do or believe or what happens to us. It's always human beings claiming to speak for God who do.
Tom
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
My direct experience with God
How could anyone but you distinguish between your "direct experience" and a delusion?
It doesn't appear to match the direct experiences of gazillions of other, similarly fallible, humans. From ancient people to modern ones, around the globe and across cultures, people have extremely diverse "direct experiences".
Maybe y'all just want to believe you've had one to believe it?
Tom
 
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