Can I ask a question? Two actually.
1. Can we agree that preaching is one thing and making a disciple is something else? (I understand the belief that some people consider which is that preaching is for making disciples. But, I don't agree with that belief).
As one who preaches and teaches too, I would have to say that both make disciples but have different ultimate objectives. Preaching is when one basically boldly proclaims the word of God so that people have to make a decision (which includes growing up disciples).
The other gives things line upon line, precept upon precept so that someone can make a decision (which includes growing up disciples).
Both can also be used to have people make a decision to follow Jesus.
2. Where else in any Scripture is there even a hint of the desire of God that one person make another person right. I shall rephrase that.
LOL - I glad you said "rephrase since only God can make another person right.
Please, may I have another scripture (NOT one about preaching) where I will be able to cross reference the popular belief that Jesus commanded the making of disciples of his or disciples of Jehovah. Old or New Testament will do.Another way to put it is this. Where else is it written that I as a disciple learning by Jesus Christ have been given the responsibility by the Son of God himself that I should be making other people learn by him?
I need a cross reference. I believe in preaching so it can't be a scripture about that. I need one which proves your belief that Jesus really said, "go make disciples".
Old Testament.
We have many examples such as Moses and Joshua (which God instructed)
Elijah to Elisha (directed by God)
Elisha and the school of the prophets,
You have God telling his people to teach and rehearse the law to other people who are of good report, honest, fear God etc.
(I didn't give references here because I am assuming these are so well known as to not need to reference them.) Is that OK? If not, let me know and I can find them for you.
In the NT, I find the following:
Obviously the one that Jesus told in the book of Matthew--already mentioned.
In the New Testament, by the actions of the Apostles who knew what the will of Jesus was since they were discipled by Him.
Matthew 28:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. (Obviously a direct command as they did so after in the book of Acts.
Acts 4:
18 And they called them, and commanded them not to speak at all nor teach in the name of Jesus.(I would assume that if they told them not to teach, they were teaching.
Acts 5:
42 And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ.
Acts 18:
24 And a
certain Jew named Apollos, born at
Alexandria, an
eloquent man, and
mighty* in the
scriptures, came to Ephesus.
25 This
man was instructed
in the
way of the
Lord; and being
fervent in the
spirit, he
spake and taughtdiligently the things
of the
Lord, knowing only the
baptism of
John.
26And he began to speak
boldly in the
synagogue: whom when Aquila andPriscilla had
heard, they
took him unto them,
and expounded unto
him the
way of
God more
perfectly.
(somebody instructed him and then Aquila and Priscilla expounded (taught) him how to do it better.
1 Cor 4:
17 For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church.
1 Tim 4:
11 These things command and teach.
2 Tim 2:
24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
Hopefully this is what you asked for.
There is a custom for the Jews for their teaching master to be called father and their disciples to be called sons (as a signal of discipleship)
Titus 1:
4 To Titus, mine own son (not biological) after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Savior.
1 Cor 14:
15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
Blessings!
