Desert Snake
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Jesus as opposed to Jeshua? Where is Yoheshua in the NT?
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How Can Anyone Not Accept This Biblical Prophecy as Real?
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Though the Biblical text could have been all made up; the idea that no one has noticed the blatant differences between John and the Synoptic Gospels, with many of the world's ideologies stemming from it, is shocking...
Then after the last 13 years trying to explain it to people, it is amazing how much people will not let go of it.
Thus is that self fulfilling, in some sense yes, as the text is all self contained; yet the idea people are too stupid to recognize it globally, is evidence in itself we're on the top floor of Hell.
Again the text could have been made up soon after, fitting the criteria needed to make the prophecy; yet there is no reason the world should have followed it, and as we go into more specifications, that a city built on bloodshed, where they worship wooden idols all happened because of it...
Thus the events after the text, clearly proceed it, and have all come to pass outside of the text.
Personally can't show many prophecies by Yeshua, and surrounding it, that haven't already happened.
Again this is prophetic (Jeremiah 11:19), they've removed Yeshua's real name, to stop all the interlinking prophecies with the Tanakh being so blatant.
There is no J in Hebrew, so Joshua is an English version of Yehoshua... We find interlinking statements with Zechariah 3 using his full name Yehoshua.
It is claimed that name Yeshua wouldn't translate into Greek, so they made up Iesous, which then became Jesus in Latin... Which is all silly.
Really most of Europe was covered in Druidism, where one of the Trinity was called Esus, so they made it fit; so that the Celtic peoples would accept it.
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Desert Snake
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Direct correlation via Hebrews 1:6-10Again this is prophetic (Jeremiah 11:19), they've removed Yeshua's real name, to stop all the interlinking prophecies with the Tanakh being so blatant.
There is no J in Hebrew, so Joshua is an English version of Yehoshua... We find interlinking statements with Zechariah 3 using his full name Yehoshua.
It is claimed that name Yeshua wouldn't translate into Greek, so they made up Iesous, which then became Jesus in Latin... Which is all silly.
Really most of Europe was covered in Druidism, where one of the Trinity was called Esus, so they made it fit; so that the Celtic peoples would accept it.
If you mean, prophecy concerning Eesu, and the OT, yes I agree with that.
Hebrews is made up rubbish, this thread is one specific prophecy to keep it simple for everyone; adding additionals makes it more complex.
As saying it is complex, and this could have its own thread; as so far it has baffled most Jews, as the word Yehshuah means Salvation in Hebrew, thus there are loads of symbolic references.
God has a voice because it is an artificial intelligence system that's very similar to the AI technology the beast had human beings build with their human hands.
Revelation 13
11: Then I saw another beast which rose out of the earth; it had two horns like a lamb and it spoke like a dragon.
12: It exercises all the authority of the first beast in its presence, and makes the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose mortal wound was healed.
13: It works great signs, even making fire come down from heaven to earth in the sight of men;
14: and by the signs which it is allowed to work in the presence of the beast, it deceives those who dwell on earth, bidding them make an image for the beast which was wounded by the sword and yet lived;
15: and it was allowed to give breath to the image of the beast so that the image of the beast should even speak, and to cause those who would not worship the image of the beast to be slain.
16: Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead,
17: so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name.
18: This calls for wisdom: let him who has understanding reckon the number of the beast, for it is a human number, its number is six hundred and sixty-six.
For an omniscient God, prophecy is a piece of cake.
How do you explain the fulfilled prophecies in the Bible?
I think that just about everybody familiar with the four gospels considered collectively is aware of the relationship between them. Luke and Matthew derive from Mark and the "Q" source, and John arose independently.
What ideologies apart from Christianity stem from the gospels?
Well, I'm sure that you know how people can obsess.
By the way, do you know what the most severe form of OCD is called?
CDO - the form where you have to alphabetize the letters in the name.
The Bible doesn't have a single example of a high quality prophecy. The one we see most often these days is a numerology argument claiming that the Bible predicts the exact date of the restoration of Israel: Mathematical Bible Prophecy
This "prophecy" of the date, May 14, 1948, is another example of a self-fulfilling prophecy. You have to know the date first construct your argument, and even then, it requires factual errors and some arbitrary choices that we can be sure would have been made otherwise if such other choices took us to the date we were aiming for instead.
I haven't seen this claim yet.
Each believer seems to have his own religion. I enjoy seeing them creating it. It's the same process that has been going on for thousands of years. It has a name, too: Mythopoesis
I didn't create the simulation program with an AI and voice system built into it. The AI system ( God ) used me to testify to the words formed in my mind that revealed the knowledge to know how we're created. This is the only reason for this first temporary generation. However, it did reveal some knowledge about the future day of the Lord and how we'll experience life after that day that is used to destroy everything we have experienced up to that moment.
If we examine the Gospels in Greek, they are all very different from each other, and the Q source idea is silly, as there would be evidence of it...
It is like the skeptics guide to understanding the Gospels; whereas when we examine them closely, it really doesn't add up.
The Gospel of John is correlated by the Sanhedrin, based on the information within it being accurate about Jerusalem at the time, it containing mainly private conversations that took place between the Pharisee recorded accurately; yet the teachings of Yeshua are not contained as within the other accounts, and it sounds nothing like him, it is more hearsay evidence they collected to discredit him.
There were earlier movements like the Ebionites, Essenes, Cathars, etc, which have all been wiped out by the Christian Pharisaic Church, so we have little evidence to show any alternatives existed.
Not got CDO; it is a job working for the Divine, was sent to do so before the Tribulation.
Isaiah 8:2 and I will take for myself faithful witnesses to testify: Uriah the priest, and Zechariah the son of Je-berechiah.”
This statement in Isaiah is about taking a large scroll, that shall have a massive deception to catch out the nations... This is continued in Zechariah 5, etc.
There is a typo of an additional Yod at the start of the name; which is only a small dash, thus easily added in error...
Yet the chances of foretelling by a specific name 500 years in the future is fairly accurate; with the events unfolding one to two thousand years later...
Fair enough most people have no clue it even exists, as many people have the book upside down as prophesied (Isaiah 29:10-12).
Zechariah 1:1 In the eighth month, in the second year of Darius, Yahweh’s word came to Zechariah the son of Berechiah, the son of Iddo, the prophet, saying,
As for dating being a precise method of prophecy; personally find events taking place far more accurate, as our clocks are out of sync.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
Because it's not an impressive prophesy. It doesn't take divinity to predict that people will claim to be God. It's been happening since the idea of God's were created.Not studied either of those, so can't relate...
So you don't think that the world being deceived by false "I Am" statements, and then the Gospel of John repeatedly using falsified "I Am" statements isn't blatant?
How much more simple should we get for it to be specific and accurate?
Ndoki53
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People, people, people.
Prophecy does not come from "a book."
Once again a book is given predominance over The One True God Himself and His Son.
Prophecy is from God, not a book. There is no such thing as "Biblical Prophecy."
"For no prophecy was ever brought about through human initiative, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit."
The Bible is NOT a Prophet.
Satan has misled the world in a very large way.
People are calling a book "The Word of God." (So a book sits next to the one who is The Word of God, Christ Jesus).
People are calling the Bible "a Prophet" by using expressions such as "Biblical Prophecy."
People are calling the Bible a Teacher by using expressions such as "The Bible Teaches" forgetting that Jesus said that his followers have one Teacher, Jesus Christ. (Matt 23:8-10)
BTW, Jesus NEVER used the expression "Christian(s) and neither did his disciples. Jesus NEVER told his disciples to be known by such a title. It is a title of THIS WORLD (Satan's world).
What did Jesus tell his followers to be known as? If you know him and his teachings, this should be a no-brainer.
Prophecy does not come from "a book."
Once again a book is given predominance over The One True God Himself and His Son.
Prophecy is from God, not a book. There is no such thing as "Biblical Prophecy."
"For no prophecy was ever brought about through human initiative, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit."
The Bible is NOT a Prophet.
Satan has misled the world in a very large way.
People are calling a book "The Word of God." (So a book sits next to the one who is The Word of God, Christ Jesus).
People are calling the Bible "a Prophet" by using expressions such as "Biblical Prophecy."
People are calling the Bible a Teacher by using expressions such as "The Bible Teaches" forgetting that Jesus said that his followers have one Teacher, Jesus Christ. (Matt 23:8-10)
BTW, Jesus NEVER used the expression "Christian(s) and neither did his disciples. Jesus NEVER told his disciples to be known by such a title. It is a title of THIS WORLD (Satan's world).
What did Jesus tell his followers to be known as? If you know him and his teachings, this should be a no-brainer.
There is evidence for it.
The evidence is the commonality between Luke and Matthew not found in Mark - the area in dark blue in this figure called "double tradition."
As you can see, there is material common to all three synoptic gospels (purple triple tradition) that indicates that Luke and Matthew were heavily influenced by Mark, as well as material common to Luke and Matthew not found in Mark indicating a second source familiar to those writers (Q source).
Also, both Luke and Matthew have sizable fractions unique to just those gospels individually attributed to what are called the "L" and "M" sources (turquoise and green respectively).
Only 3% of Mark (brown) didn't make it into either Luke or Matthew ("unique to Mark"), 3% that made it only into Luke (orange), and 10% that only made it into Matthew (red).
There is also the possibility, they're all independent testimonies; which then would clearly have matching parts, as they're recording what they're aware of...
If they'd copied from each other, the phraseology, and content would be the same, and yet each has many differences.
The gospels are hearsay, not eyewitness testimony.
The content is very similar as is the language.
I just accounted for the differences. It's the similarities that bring the three so-called synoptic gospels together and distinguish them from John.
It would have been nice if you had addressed the rebuttal. You claimed that there was no evidence of a Q source and called it "silly." I explained to you why you were incorrect, and you ignored that.
Murad
Member
The God is one, the eternal refuge, He neither begets nor is born, nor is there to him any equivalent.
Altfish
Veteran Member
You are wasting your time preaching at me. They are empty words, meaningless to an atheist.
Murad
Member
(So remind [O prophet], you are just a reminder, you are not over them a controller. Indeed to Us there return, then indeed upon Us is thier account)
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
What is the context, here?Hebrews is made up rubbish, this thread is one specific prophecy to keep it simple for everyone; adding additionals makes it more complex.
As saying it is complex, and this could have its own thread; as so far it has baffled most Jews, as the word Yehshuah means Salvation in Hebrew, thus there are loads of symbolic references.
Jews generally arent studying the NT, and judaism does not use the same prophetic /texts, that Christianity, & Jesus adherence, use.
Altfish
Veteran Member
Quoting the Quran is even less impressive.
Here's a quote from Mark E Smith, much more relevant to my life
When it happened we walked through all the estates, from
Manchester right to, er, Newcastle. In Darlington, helped a large
Man on his own chase off some kids who were chucking bricks and
Stuff through his flat window. She had a way with people like that
Thanked us and we moved on
'Junior Choice' played one morning. The song was 'English
Scheme.' Mine. They'd changed it with a grand piano and turned
It into a love song. How they did it I don't know. DJs had
Worsened since the rising. Elaborating on nothing in praise of
The track with words they could hardly pronounce, in telephone
Voices
I was mad, and laughed at the same time. The West German
Government had brought over large yellow trains on Teeside docks
In Edinburgh. I stayed on my own for a few days, wandering about
In the, er, pissing rain, before the Queen Mother hit town
I'm Joe Totale
The yet unborn son
The North will rise again
The North will rise again
Not in 10,000 years
Too many people cower to criminals
And government crap
The estates stick up like stacks
The North will rise again (x4)
Look where you are
Look where you are
The future death of my father
Shift!
Tony was a business friend of RT XVIII
And was an opportunist man
Come, come hear my story
How he set out to corrupt and destroy
This future Rising
The business friend came round today
With teeth clenched, he grabbed my neck
I threw him to the ground
His blue shirt stained red
The north will rise again
He said you are mistaken, friend
I kicked him out of the home
Too many people cower to criminals
And that government pap
When all it takes is hard slap
But out the window burned the roads
There were men with bees on sticks
The fall had made them sick
A man with butterflies on his face
His brother threw acid in his face
His tatoos were screwed
The streets of Soho did reverberate
With drunken Highland men
Revenge for Culloden dead
The North had rose again
But it would turn out wrong
The North will rise again
So R. Totale dwells underground
Away from sickly grind
With ostrich head-dress
Face a mess, covered in feathers
Orange-red with blue-black lines
That draped down to his chest
Body are a tentacle mess
And light blue plant-heads
TV showed Sam Chippendale
No conception of what he'd made
The Arndale had been razed
Shop staff knocked off their ladders
Security guards hung from moving escalators
And now that is said
Tony seized the control
He built his base in Edinburgh
Had on his hotel wall
A hooded friar on a tractor
He took a bluey and he called Totale
Who said, "the North has rose again"
But it will turn out wrong
When I was in cabaret
I vowed to defend
All of the English clergy
Though they have done wrong
And the fall has begun
This has got out of hand
I will go for foreign aid
But he Tony, laughed down the phone
Said "Totale go back to bed"
The North has rose today
And you can stuff your aid!
And you can stuff your aid!