I have another question for YOU to ignore

djhwoodwerks said:

Matthew 7:22-23 (ESV Strong's) 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

Where do "workers of lawlessness" go?

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I believe eventually if they don't get saved they go to Hell but they are still here and my belief is they will be until the last judgement. I believe it is talking about getting into the Kingdom and that will not happen for them which leaves them on earth when the destructive fires come.

savagewind said:

OK. Those other things he said were true. The accounts illustrate that he tells the truth even though telling the truth would make him enemies.

His saying in the end, "get away from me" IS NOT TRUE because in the end there is NOWHERE else to go but with Jesus. That is the whole point of it.

So, the question is this. According to you, WHERE "away" are they to go?

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I believe if these are ones who were raptured but never saved, that they will be cast into outer darkness.

Muffled said:

I believe eventually if they don't get saved they go to Hell but they are still here and my belief is they will be until the last judgement. I believe it is talking about getting into the Kingdom and that will not happen for them which leaves them on earth when the destructive fires come.

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Matthew 7:22 (ESV Strong's) 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’

What do you think, "ON THAT DAY" means?

djhwoodwerks said:

Matthew 7:22 (ESV Strong's) 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’

What do you think, "ON THAT DAY" means?

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I think ON THAT DAY is

Matthew 24:35-37 New International Version (NIV)

Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.

MJFlores said:

I think ON THAT DAY is

Matthew 24:35-37 New International Version (NIV)

Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.

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You've almost got it! What happens when "the Son of Man" (Jesus) returns?

Here's a hint,

Muffled said:

until the last judgement.

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It is very common for those who like the sound of something said by the master, to repeat his words, to others.
This would be fine, if those repeating his words knew that the words, themselves, were empty things, merely describing an essence.
A monkey could as easily imitate sounds made by the master.
Doing so, however, would not make a master of a monkey.

The master frowns upon those who quote him, while remaining unrepresentative of the master's essence.

This is why teaching fails, learning fails, reading fails. Being is the only path to knowing.

djhwoodwerks said:

You've almost got it! What happens when "the Son of Man" (Jesus) returns?

Here's a hint,

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Matthew 24:30-31 New International Version (NIV)

“Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven.

And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

To his elect this will happen:

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 New International Version (NIV)

For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.

To those who are left behind this will happen:

2 Peter 3:10-12New International Version (NIV)

But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.

Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat.

savagewind said:

This is fun!

It is written Jesus says, "get away from me".

Why does he say that?

Depart is a verb and away is a place. What will he tell them?

Matthew 7:22"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' 23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

Matthew 7:22-23

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savagewind,
Remember what Jesus said to the religious leaders; You hypocrites, offspring of vipers, Matthew 23?? Jesus was talking to Nominal believers, In name only, Titus 1:15,16. Jesus knew they were also hypocrites, so he told them to get away!!!

Yes, in Matthew 7:23, Jesus is telling believers who are working iniquity (and justifying sin) to depart from him.

Matthew 7:26-27 makes the point about how one's house is destroyed if they do not what Jesus says. The house is representative of our body or temple.

Matthew 7 is not a point about how we can sin and still be saved.
It teaches the exact opposite of that kind of thinking.

A believer who does sin (with no repentance) will be cast into the Lake of Fire to be destroyed.

This is evident by reading Matthew 13:41-42, as well.

41 "The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." (Matthew 13:41-42).

Did you catch that?

It says Jesus will send forth his angels and they will gather out of HIS KINGDOM all things (anyone) that offends (sin) and who does iniquity (intense sin or lawlessness) and cast them into the furnace of fire (Lake of Fire).


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Jason0047 said:

Yes, in Matthew 7:23, Jesus is telling believers who are working iniquity (and justifying sin) to depart from him.

Matthew 7:26-27 makes the point about how one's house is destroyed if they do not what Jesus says. The house is representative of our body or temple.

Matthew 7 is not a point about how we can sin and still be saved.
It teaches the exact opposite of that kind of thinking.

A believer who does sin (with no repentance) will be cast into the Lake of Fire to be destroyed.

This is evident by reading Matthew 13:41-42, as well.

41 "The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." (Matthew 13:41-42).

Did you catch that?

It says Jesus will send forth his angels and they will gather out of HIS KINGDOM all things (anyone) that offends (sin) and who does iniquity (intense sin or lawlessness) and cast them into the furnace of fire (Lake of Fire).


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Just because you do not understand the question doesn't mean it isn't real.

He SAYS to them, "get away from me". It sounds like an order that is to be obeyed.

Throwing someone into a fire isn't them obeying an order.

If the whole wide world is right about Matthew 7:23, then Matthew 13:42 should not say "throw" but should say "go".

See? The thing about "evil" is that it DOESN'T obey. OK?

Is it possible nobody understands that Matthew 7:23 is written as though it is an order?

Orders of God are to be obeyed. Agreed?

So, according to YOU God orders evil people to kill themselves. Why doesn't God just order them to be good instead?

savagewind said:

Just because you do not understand the question doesn't mean it isn't real.

He SAYS to them, "get away from me". It sounds like an order that is to be obeyed.

Throwing someone into a fire isn't them obeying an order.

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Not sure you actually read what I wrote.
Please go back and read my previous post and the verses I put forth.
When Jesus says, "Depart from me" in Matthew 7:23, He is putting forth an order to His angels to take these wicked sinning believers away so as to throw them into the furnace of fire (Lake of Fire) as mentioned in Matthew 13:41-42. It is also a notification to these wicked believers of His disproval of their evil, as well.


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Just tell me that it says, "to his angels".

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Where does it say he is giving orders to the angels at Matthew 7:23

The way it is written is that he is speaking directly to the wicked ones.

savagewind said:

Just tell me that it says, "to his angels".

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Where does it say he is giving orders to the angels at Matthew 7:23

The way it is written is that he is speaking directly to the wicked ones.

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The Bible has to be read as a whole.

Read Matthew 13:41-42.


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Jason0047 said:

The Bible has to be read as a whole.

Read Matthew 13:41-42.


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That is right! Whenever anyone handled it to copy it and translate it it should have been understood as a whole. It wasn't. Now you are betting life on a twisted version.

savagewind said:

That is right! Whenever anyone handled it to copy it and translate it it should have been understood as a whole. It wasn't. Now you are betting life on a twisted version.

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Are you saying we cannot trust the Bible today or that we cannot read it as a whole?


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Jason0047 said:

Are you saying we cannot trust the Bible today or that we cannot read it as a whole?


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It can and should be read as a whole with The Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit can be trusted. It isn't right to assume that everything in the Bible is approved by The Holy Spirit.

Trust The Truth. Do not put your trust in what men think.

savagewind said:

It can and should be read as a whole with The Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit can be trusted. It isn't right to assume that everything in the Bible is approved by The Holy Spirit.

Trust The Truth. Do not put your trust in what men think.

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How do you know you are truly being led by the Spirit in regards to picking out what parts you think are true or what parts you think are not true in the Bible?

I know I can trust all of the Bible, not only because of God's working in my life as a result of it, but because the Bible as a whole shows that it is a divine book.


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