Is Peace on Earth Really God's Goal????

Daisies4me · May 21, 2017

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Hi Carlita

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I asked you this question: So you don't believe that God in the heavens, the spirit realm, has the power to Inspire the writing of the Holy Scriptures by humans, for man's benefit?

You replied: No. A lot of people don't. This belief isn't a "common sense" fact. It's a belief. It's true for some and not for others. It's not a fact.
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D. Just asking. Thanks for your opinion on the matter,

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You said: If god is "unknowable" there'd be nothing written about him we would understand. The bible isn't an exclusion

D: Who said that 'God is "unknowable"'? Not me. It is imperative that people seeking come to "know" both God Almighty and the One He sent forth , Jesus. That is stated very straightforward for us at John 17:3.

In response to the claim that God is 'unknowable', may I present the words of Jesus, spoken to the Samaritan woman at the well, for your consideration. John 4:19-23 shows that Jesus, a Prophet of God, leads us to worship 'what we know' in spirit and in truth.
Others may, indeed, worship what is 'unknowable', however, that does not apply to those of us who have come to "know the True God"

"taking in knowledge" i imperative in order to come to know the True God-- faith is not a possession of all people.

We have been given the brain and ability to think for ourselves, to learn, and free will to choose whom, or what , we decide to be our 'God'.
The Creator can be revealed in His Creation.
EVen a person's belly can be his 'god'. Whatever a person puts first emphasis on in life, can become an obsession, or their 'god'. Many 'gods' exist in the world, and have from early times. But to us, there is only ONE TRUE God, Jehovah ALONE is the Most High over all the earth. Psalm 83:18.
Just my two cents on the matter....

may you have peace

Daisies4me · May 21, 2017

arthra said:
If you read the Bible you will find verses inspiring people to look forward to peace.. and yes I think we have to day a "new heaven and a new earth"....

9:11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.

29:12 Then shall ye call upon me, and ye shall go and pray unto me, and I will hearken unto you.

29:13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

(King James Bible, Jeremiah)

5:23 For thou shalt be in league with the stones of the field: and the beasts of the field shall be at peace with thee.

5:24 And thou shalt know that thy tabernacle shall be in peace; and thou shalt visit thy habitation, and shalt not sin.

(King James Bible, Job)

9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

(King James Bible, Isaiah)

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Hi
absolutely, there will be 'world peace' under the rule of the "Son, who sill 'sit upon the throne of David', as God's Anointed King of God's Kingdom.
There is a reason why He is called 'the Prince of Peace'.

Psalm 37:9 For evil men will be done away with, But those hoping in Jehovah will possess the earth.
10 Just a little while longer, and the wicked will be no more; You will look at where they were,And they will not be there.
11 But the meek will possess the earth, And they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.

29 The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it.

Revelation 21:3, 4
3 With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them. 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”

Lots to look forward, right?

take care

Daisies4me · May 21, 2017

Bird123 said:
It was not God that told you that He inspired the Bible. It was mankind. What would you expect them to say in order to get followers?

As I see it, you are taking the stories of mankind and trying to create reality out of them. I think you should question more and accept less.

Finally, are you telling me that a Being capable of creating the universe and this world is not capable of handling a few wayward children without frying them in Hell or destroying them? From my view, that God would come up lacking in so many ways.

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Hi Bird

First issue: (get this out of the way up front) God did NOT say "if you disobey my commandments you will FRY." nope, he said, you will positively DIE. Big difference there, I am not a proponent of any false notion of a literal place of fiery torture by God.
He can give life, or take life away. That is the basic lesson there.

Having said that, I find that this subject deserves more than a passing interest. After all, if the Bible is, indeed, a trustworthy source of guidance from our Creator, then you owe it to yourself and your loved ones to consider what the Bible has to say. IMHO.
The Bible has endured bans by governments, burnings by religious opposers, and attacks by critics. No other book in history has faced greater opposition and survived.

About half the Bible writers finished their writings before the birth of both Confucius, the renowned Chinese sage, and Siddhārtha Gautama, the founder of Buddhism. It has been around a long time, and translated into approximately 2,500 languages and dialects.
No matter if one believes it or not, they have to admit that the Bible is a unique book.. “The Bible is the most widely distributed book in history.”----The World Book Encyclopedia.

Of course, impressive details and statistics alone do not prove that the Bible is trustworthy. There are many reasons why I believe it to be, however. perhaps you can name one?

peace

Bird123 · May 21, 2017

Daisies4me said:
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Hi Bird

First issue: (get this out of the way up front) God did NOT say "if you disobey my commandments you will FRY." nope, he said, you will positively DIE. Big difference there, I am not a proponent of any false notion of a literal place of fiery torture by God.
He can give life, or take life away. That is the basic lesson there.

Having said that, I find that this subject deserves more than a passing interest. After all, if the Bible is, indeed, a trustworthy source of guidance from our Creator, then you owe it to yourself and your loved ones to consider what the Bible has to say. IMHO.
The Bible has endured bans by governments, burnings by religious opposers, and attacks by critics. No other book in history has faced greater opposition and survived.

About half the Bible writers finished their writings before the birth of both Confucius, the renowned Chinese sage, and Siddhārtha Gautama, the founder of Buddhism. It has been around a long time, and translated into approximately 2,500 languages and dialects.
No matter if one believes it or not, they have to admit that the Bible is a unique book.. “The Bible is the most widely distributed book in history.”----The World Book Encyclopedia.

Of course, impressive details and statistics alone do not prove that the Bible is trustworthy. There are many reasons why I believe it to be, however. perhaps you can name one?

peace

Well, killing a child is better that frying one for eternity. On the other hand, that act would prevent a Being from truly being at a Higher Level.

Yes, the Bible is a unique book and there are many good things in it especially about Love. On the other hand, mankind clearly is involved with the petty things mankind holds so dear such as Blaming, Judging, Hating, Condemning, Coercing, Intimidating and even teaching people they are flawed from birth.

Still, the Bible influences in ways many might not realize. When I discovered the Bible did not add up, it lead me to start a journey to Discover the Real Truth. I could never have Discovered so very much if I had been following and accepting. For that, I am grateful.

Daisies4me · May 21, 2017

BSM1 said:
So who, or what, creates disorder? Isa. 45-7.

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Hi NSMi
Do you think this scriptural passage disputes that the God of the Bible is a God not of disorder, but is a God of peace?

Isaiah 45:1-25
45 This is what Jehovah says to his anointed one, to Cyrus,+Whose right hand I have taken hold of+To subdue nations before him,+To disarm* kings,To open before him the double doors,So that the gates will not be shut: 2 “Before you I will go,+And the hills I will level.The copper doors I will break in pieces,And the iron bars I will cut down.+ 3 I will give you the treasures in the darkness And the hidden treasures in the concealed places,+So that you may know that I am Jehovah,The God of Israel, who is calling you by your name.+ 4 For the sake of my servant Jacob and of Israel my chosen one,I am calling you by your name.I am giving you a name of honor, although you did not know me. 5 I am Jehovah, and there is no one else.There is no God except me.+I will strengthen* you, although you did not know me, 6 In order that people may know From the rising of the sun to its setting*That there is none besides me.+I am Jehovah, and there is no one else.+ 7 I form light+ and create darkness,+I make peace+ and create calamity;+I, Jehovah, am doing all these things. 8 You heavens, rain down from above;+Let the clouds pour down righteousness.Let the earth open up and be fruitful with salvation,And let it cause righteousness to spring up at the same time.+I, Jehovah, have created it.”

1 Corinthians 14:
33 For God is a God not of disorder but of peace...
40 But let all things take place decently and by arrangement.

Please do explain your thoughts on the matter, if you will?

Thanks

Daisies4me · May 21, 2017

Bird123 said:
Well, killing a child is better that frying one for eternity. On the other hand, that act would prevent a Being from truly being at a Higher Level.

Yes, the Bible is a unique book and there are many good things in it especially about Love. On the other hand, mankind clearly is involved with the petty things mankind holds so dear such as Blaming, Judging, Hating, Condemning, Coercing, Intimidating and even teaching people they are flawed from birth.

Still, the Bible influences in ways many might not realize. When I discovered the Bible did not add up, it lead me to start a journey to Discover the Real Truth. I could never have Discovered so very much if I had been following and accepting. For that, I am grateful.

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Hi Bird
I highly suggest that all persons take time to do research and look and see for themselves. No one is a robot, nor should they be. Each one must make their own choice. How can a person make an 'educated' choice, if they don't do their own search for evidences of all things as they are available to them? Most have to 'dig', as if for buried treasure, and leave no stone unturned in their search, imho. Many go to 'feel good' prosperity doctrine, (which make the so-called preachers very prosperous... ha ) to have their 'ears tickled'. imho, not only a waste of time, but possible a thing that can mislead so much so that it can cost one their everlasting life... just my thoughts on the matter..
I did the searching, and the digging, and rejected many 'preachers' and 'doctrines', and I expect others to do the same. like the old saying when I was a kid, parents used to say, 'don't do as I do, do as I say do'. Well, that didn't set well with me then, nor now.

Peace to you

Daisies4me · May 21, 2017

bobhikes said:
Your words do not bring peace but slavery. Yes the master is always Theocratic and must be addressed a certain way and wants worship and us to obey him or else be punished. Your god not mine.

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Hi Bob

the "Master" that you describe is not my God, either. Those who rebel against God's instructions bring about discord and divisions and lack of respect for others. Ego and Greed basically are the biggest issues that persons who don't want true peace manifest, imo.

peace

bobhikes · May 21, 2017

Daisies4me said:
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Hi Bob

the "Master" that you describe is not my God, either. Those who rebel against God's instructions bring about discord and divisions and lack of respect for others. Ego and Greed basically are the biggest issues that persons who don't want true peace manifest, imo.

peace

What happens to those that rebel against god's instructions, Peace?

Daisies4me · May 21, 2017

bobhikes said:
What happens to those that rebel against god's instructions, Peace?

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Hi bob

what happens when people rebel against the laws, do they bring peace to your family? Town? school?
Why are laws put in place?
Where do those who rebel against the laws usually wind up?

Do they bring you peace?

bobhikes · May 21, 2017

Daisies4me said:
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Hi bob

what happens when people rebel against the laws, do they bring peace to your family? Town? school?
Why are laws put in place?
Where do those who rebel against the laws usually wind up?

Do they bring you peace?

I am but a man and use mans laws which include trial by peers. Does your god use trial by peers? Many people that have rebelled against mans laws have ended up bringing more peaceful resolutions. Martin Luther King Jr., Mahatma Gandhi, Nelson Mandela to name a few.

Daisies4me · May 21, 2017

bobhikes said:
I am but a man and use mans laws which include trial by peers. Does your god use trial by peers? Many people that have rebelled against mans laws have ended up bringing more peaceful resolutions. Martin Luther King Jr., Mahatma Gandhi, Nelson Mandela to name a few.

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Hi Bob
Do the governments of the nations have authority to make laws and enforce them?

WHat happens when people ignore the law?

I don't think you answered that question . Care to do so now?

Oh, and I don't think we can put the Almighty God the Creator on the same par with imperfect humans who have been created 'a little lower than angels', do you?

Did you obey your parents as a small child? If so, why? If not, what was the result of disobedience?

thanks

Bird123 · May 21, 2017

Daisies4me said:
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Hi Bird
I highly suggest that all persons take time to do research and look and see for themselves. No one is a robot, nor should they be. Each one must make their own choice. How can a person make an 'educated' choice, if they don't do their own search for evidences of all things as they are available to them? Most have to 'dig', as if for buried treasure, and leave no stone unturned in their search, imho. Many go to 'feel good' prosperity doctrine, (which make the so-called preachers very prosperous... ha ) to have their 'ears tickled'. imho, not only a waste of time, but possible a thing that can mislead so much so that it can cost one their everlasting life... just my thoughts on the matter..
I did the searching, and the digging, and rejected many 'preachers' and 'doctrines', and I expect others to do the same. like the old saying when I was a kid, parents used to say, 'don't do as I do, do as I say do'. Well, that didn't set well with me then, nor now.

Peace to you

Your quote: but possible a thing that can mislead so much so that it can cost one their everlasting life... just my thoughts on the matter. My answer: Isn't this the same old threat and intimidation that religions have been using since their beginning? Sad religion stoops to this level in the name of goodness.

My journey to discovery did not travel to holy books written by mankind all over the world. I was not in search of Beliefs. I wanted to Discover the Actual Truth. I was even open to the possibility that God did not exist at all. After all, I was wanting to Discover the Real Truth regardless of whether that Truth was to my liking.

You can tell much about people by watching and studying their choices and actions. This was my starting point. In this time-based causal universe even God's actions can be seen. These actions can not be altered by mankind. I studied and tried to understand why God would do things the way He does. I wanted to discover the Intelligence behind the why it's done this way. When I opened one door, it led to more doors which I could open. In time, I accumulated much knowledge and understanding.

As I see it, religion does not understand God at all. Walking toward God, I discovered God is at a Higher Level and having Great Intelligence, God does not value so many of the petty things mankind holds so dear.

As I see it, God is Unconditional Love. Unconditional Love always does what is Best for the other. Our actions or choices will never make a difference in that. No one is ever at risk at loosing their everlasting life.

We are all spiritual beings in our true natures. I have direct experience to this. We are all Eternal.

When religion values blaming, hating, judging, condemning, punishing, coercing, intimidating and things like teaching people they are flawed at birth, what are they really teaching people? It certainly is not goodness. In my travels, I have found and helped many people wounded by this, they believing God did not love them or that they were not good enough. Nothing is further from the truth. Isn't Truth really what everyone should be after??

bobhikes · May 22, 2017

Daisies4me said:
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Hi Bob
Do the governments of the nations have authority to make laws and enforce them?

WHat happens when people ignore the law?

I don't think you answered that question . Care to do so now?

Oh, and I don't think we can put the Almighty God the Creator on the same par with imperfect humans who have been created 'a little lower than angels', do you?

Did you obey your parents as a small child? If so, why? If not, what was the result of disobedience?

thanks

According to the bible I read the Nations have authority to make laws and enforce them for man. When people ignore the law they are prosecuted in different ways in different countries.

What bible do you read that states God is greater than all and that humans are lower than angels? It is not in my Bible.

Not always did I obey my parents and the results are different. My parents are different than me, much as God is different then me and at times I had to do things different then them. God and me have the same relation I am Human now and limited in my scope. My god allows me to make my decisions and learn from them. My god does not force or coerce me. God wants me to succeed as myself not as a slave.

Daisies4me · May 22, 2017

Bird123 said:
Your quote: but possible a thing that can mislead so much so that it can cost one their everlasting life... just my thoughts on the matter. My answer: Isn't this the same old threat and intimidation that religions have been using since their beginning? Sad religion stoops to this level in the name of goodness.

My journey to discovery did not travel to holy books written by mankind all over the world. I was not in search of Beliefs. I wanted to Discover the Actual Truth. I was even open to the possibility that God did not exist at all. After all, I was wanting to Discover the Real Truth regardless of whether that Truth was to my liking.

You can tell much about people by watching and studying their choices and actions. This was my starting point. In this time-based causal universe even God's actions can be seen. These actions can not be altered by mankind. I studied and tried to understand why God would do things the way He does. I wanted to discover the Intelligence behind the why it's done this way. When I opened one door, it led to more doors which I could open. In time, I accumulated much knowledge and understanding.

As I see it, religion does not understand God at all. Walking toward God, I discovered God is at a Higher Level and having Great Intelligence, God does not value so many of the petty things mankind holds so dear.

As I see it, God is Unconditional Love. Unconditional Love always does what is Best for the other. Our actions or choices will never make a difference in that. No one is ever at risk at loosing their everlasting life.

We are all spiritual beings in our true natures. I have direct experience to this. We are all Eternal.

When religion values blaming, hating, judging, condemning, punishing, coercing, intimidating and things like teaching people they are flawed at birth, what are they really teaching people? It certainly is not goodness. In my travels, I have found and helped many people wounded by this, they believing God did not love them or that they were not good enough. Nothing is further from the truth. Isn't Truth really what everyone should be after??

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Hi
You make some good points, some that I agree with. But one thing stands out that is worrisome. Protecting, warning of danger, etc., is necessary for all people. If I know there is danger ahead, wouldn't it be the loving thing to do to warn you before you run headlong into the situation that may take your life? Why do the officials put up barriers to prevent people from driving into a dangerous situation?

If a parent teaches their child to 'stop, look and listen' before crossing the street, is that a 'judging, condemning, punishing, etc. ' by the parent?

Why can't the child just bounce right out and go anywhere they like , anytime, and in any manner they might want to?

Taking time to warn others of what is right ahead of them that can be detrimental to their health is the loving thing to do, wouldn't you think?

Is the weatherman a 'hater; when he warns you of bad weather conditions ahead?

Why the double standard? If I know that you are driving down a road into a situation that you cannot recover from, wouldn't it be the loving thing to do to point the danger out to you , so that you could make the necessary adjustments to your route that would lead to your own safety? If you don't want to listen, that is your choice. No one is forcing you to do so.

Look at the examples of people who obey God to the best of their imperfect abilities, in the most dire conditions today on earth, as you suggest, Find those who are in all 'nations, tribes and tongues' that 'speak in agreement' (1 Corinthians 1:10) and as a global group, and have 'love among themselves'.

There is no 'hell fire', no place of eternal torture, only death for those who do not choose life. So if you are warned ahead of time, but choose to take the route that leads to death, it is your choice, and your blood is not on my hands. Choose the road you want. The broad and spacious road that leads to destruction, or the cramped and narrow road that few find, that leads to life. Those are the choices mankind have. Life, or death.

Choose life, is my suggestion, because the Creator knows what makes mankind happy, what they need to flourish, but not everyone likes or wants to live a morally clean life, under righteous conditions where God's laws are obeyed by all. God speaks to mankind thru the pages of the Bible. It is like a letter from God. If we want to learn about Him and what He requires of those who will live in peace forever on earth, that is where we need to look for the directions that lead us to the paradise of peace.

peace to you

BSM1 · May 22, 2017

Daisies4me said:
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Hi NSMi
Do you think this scriptural passage disputes that the God of the Bible is a God not of disorder, but is a God of peace?

Isaiah 45:1-25
45 This is what Jehovah says to his anointed one, to Cyrus,+Whose right hand I have taken hold of+To subdue nations before him,+To disarm* kings,To open before him the double doors,So that the gates will not be shut: 2 “Before you I will go,+And the hills I will level.The copper doors I will break in pieces,And the iron bars I will cut down.+ 3 I will give you the treasures in the darkness And the hidden treasures in the concealed places,+So that you may know that I am Jehovah,The God of Israel, who is calling you by your name.+ 4 For the sake of my servant Jacob and of Israel my chosen one,I am calling you by your name.I am giving you a name of honor, although you did not know me. 5 I am Jehovah, and there is no one else.There is no God except me.+I will strengthen* you, although you did not know me, 6 In order that people may know From the rising of the sun to its setting*That there is none besides me.+I am Jehovah, and there is no one else.+ 7 I form light+ and create darkness,+I make peace+ and create calamity;+I, Jehovah, am doing all these things. 8 You heavens, rain down from above;+Let the clouds pour down righteousness.Let the earth open up and be fruitful with salvation,And let it cause righteousness to spring up at the same time.+I, Jehovah, have created it.”

1 Corinthians 14:
33 For God is a God not of disorder but of peace...
40 But let all things take place decently and by arrangement.

Please do explain your thoughts on the matter, if you will?

Thanks

My point was that the God of Abraham was the God of EVERYTHING, including peace, war, good, evil, etc. The KJV of Isa 45:7 is more definitive than the sugar-coated translation you cited.

Daisies4me · May 22, 2017

BSM1 said:
My point was that the God of Abraham was the God of EVERYTHING, including peace, war, good, evil, etc. The KJV of Isa 45:7 is more definitive than the sugar-coated translation you cited.

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Hi BSM1

Please do elaborate on what you are referring to as 'sugar coated' when it is directly quoted from the Bible?
you know that all English translations are 'translations', right? When the Bible was written, there was no English language. Any Bible that is in English today is a translation. And there are many such. The KJV, or "received text" has many 'editions' and updates over time since its inception in 1611. So while many of us have used the KJV over the years, we also have found many changes in language usage that vary from one translation to another. And that is fine, as conversational usage and the words change as society changes, We don't speak in the King's English today. So why continue to try to keep the Bible that way? No one says 'ye' , 'thou', etc. and other not so obvious changes are needed in order to have people today understand what the Bible is saying.
Nothing wrong with bringing the Bible into a modern day language usage, is there? The originals were in Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic. Had it not been translated, we couldn't read it at all. The KJV was not the first English translation, as some think. It was copied from another English translation that preceded it, in Shakespearean poetic usage as it pleased the King to do so.
As I understand it, God is not a God of 'evil'. That would be inaccurate. THe Bible also says that God cannot lie.

“God is a God not of disorder but of peace.”—1 CORINTHIANS 14:33

James 1:13 When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself try anyone.

14 But each one is tried by being drawn out and enticed by his own desire.
15 Then the desire, when it has become fertile, gives birth to sin; in turn sin, when it has been carried out, brings forth death.

A Merciful God allows a certain amount of time to pass before He wipes out the evil in the world. Proverbs 2:21-22
He wants all who will, to listen and change their ways, so that He doesn't have to remove them from the earth. But some are unrepentant, and will not change, and so God must execute judgement on the wicked, in order to bring peace for His loyal ones and protect them from the evil things being done on the earth.
check out the many different translations of that particular verse: Isaiah 45:7 - Bible Gateway
I found it pretty interesting, hope you will also.

May you have peace

BSM1 · May 22, 2017

Daisies4me said:
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Hi BSM1

Please do elaborate on what you are referring to as 'sugar coated' when it is directly quoted from the Bible?
you know that all English translations are 'translations', right? When the Bible was written, there was no English language. Any Bible that is in English today is a translation. And there are many such. The KJV, or "received text" has many 'editions' and updates over time since its inception in 1611. So while many of us have used the KJV over the years, we also have found many changes in language usage that vary from one translation to another. And that is fine, as conversational usage and the words change as society changes, We don't speak in the King's English today. So why continue to try to keep the Bible that way? No one says 'ye' , 'thou', etc. and other not so obvious changes are needed in order to have people today understand what the Bible is saying.
Nothing wrong with bringing the Bible into a modern day language usage, is there? The originals were in Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic. Had it not been translated, we couldn't read it at all. The KJV was not the first English translation, as some think. It was copied from another English translation that preceded it, in Shakespearean poetic usage as it pleased the King to do so.
As I understand it, God is not a God of 'evil'. That would be inaccurate. THe Bible also says that God cannot lie.

“God is a God not of disorder but of peace.”—1 CORINTHIANS 14:33

James 1:13 When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself try anyone.

14 But each one is tried by being drawn out and enticed by his own desire.
15 Then the desire, when it has become fertile, gives birth to sin; in turn sin, when it has been carried out, brings forth death.

A Merciful God allows a certain amount of time to pass before He wipes out the evil in the world. Proverbs 2:21-22
He wants all who will, to listen and change their ways, so that He doesn't have to remove them from the earth. But some are unrepentant, and will not change, and so God must execute judgement on the wicked, in order to bring peace for His loyal ones and protect them from the evil things being done on the earth.
check out the many different translations of that particular verse: Isaiah 45:7 - Bible Gateway
I found it pretty interesting, hope you will also.

May you have peace

I believe you are putting to fine a point on your premise. If you do not want to use the KJV than look at your own example: "...I make peace+ and create calamity...". It seems you can't have your cake and eat it, too. God can no more be a God of Peace than He can be a God of War. These are man made concepts that cannot be applied to an all-present, all-knowing Deity.

Daisies4me · May 22, 2017

BSM1 said:
I believe you are putting to fine a point on your premise. If you do not want to use the KJV than look at your own example: "...I make peace+ and create calamity...". It seems you can't have your cake and eat it, too. God can no more be a God of Peace than He can be a God of War. These are man made concepts that cannot be applied to an all-present, all-knowing Deity.

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Hi again, BSM1
if I am understanding you correctly, your problem was with the wording of the Bible translation that I quoted--correct?
I posted this for you to be able to compare a large number of translations of Isaiah 45:7:

https://https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Isaiah 45:7

Is your issue with the translation, or with the scripture itself?

thanks

URAVIP2ME · May 22, 2017

eldios said:
Yes, Men created in the image of God will have to wait until after all flesh of man has been destroyed on the day of the Lord. Then all created men will enjoy a peaceful life in their new bodies.

Not 'ALL' flesh (physical) destroyed because I find the executional words from Jesus' mouth according to Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-16 only apply to those classed as wicked as Psalms 92:7 says the wicked will be destroyed.

Just as Not 'ALL' were destroyed in Noah's day, so shall it be in our day as Jesus words say at Matthew 24:37.
Just as Not 'ALL' were destroyed when Lot and daughters were saved at the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.
Just as Not 'ALL' were destroyed when the ancient Israelites fled Egypt ( Isaiah 26:20 )
Just as Not 'ALL' were destroyed in the year 70 when the Roman armies destroyed Jerusalem.
So, to me that pattern is set for the figurative 'sheep ' of Matthew 25:31-33,37 who will Not be destroyed, but they will be ' saved/delivered/rescued ' through the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14 because like those ancient Israelites in Egypt were in their ' rooms ' (Isaiah 26:20) were kept safe so will those figurative 'sheep' be safe alive.

Since Revelation 22:2 talks about 'healing' for earth's nations, then to me that is Not saying first a destruction or destroying ' flesh ' (physical), but a healing of the physical in the Lord's Day ( Christ's thousand-year day ).
Just as the ' tree of life ' is first introduced in the Garden of Eden, Revelation mentions a return of that Genesis ' tree of life ' for healing (curing) of earth's nations.

URAVIP2ME · May 22, 2017

BSM1 said:
I believe you are putting to fine a point on your premise. If you do not want to use the KJV than look at your own example: "...I make peace+ and create calamity...". It seems you can't have your cake and eat it, too. God can no more be a God of Peace than He can be a God of War. These are man made concepts that cannot be applied to an all-present, all-knowing Deity.

The calamity in connection to God I find is: The calamity or Flood of Noah's day to protect and save the righteous.
If God would Not have used that calamity flood then No one righteous would have been left on Earth.
God took out Lot and family before calamity came to Sodom and Gomorrah.
The Jews in Jerusalem were forewarned about the coming calamity (Romans armies in the year 70) to flee the city before destruction would come - Luke 19:43-44; Luke 21:20-21.
So, in Scripture calamity is Not always synonymous with wrong doing, but necessary to protect the righteous ones.
The soon coming calamity ' time of separation ' of Matthew 25:31-33,37 is only against the figurative ' goats' in order to make the Earth safe for humble people, so such humble meek people can inherit the Earth as Jesus' promised.
Only the wicked will be destroyed according to Psalms 92:7; Proverbs 2:21-22 because they will Not repent from evil.

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