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Other Than "The Bible Tells Me So," Your Single Best Argument for Creationism

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Darkstorn

This shows how unique i am.
Rapture Era said:
What was the logical single source and how did it evolve to everything we see today? Please submit the details and method.
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Why is it necessary for him to do all that, when you aren't going to submit the details and method of how your version of events took place? Doesn't sound like a fair debate.

Others have to use the scientific method, you get to use the bible. Not fair at all, see?
 
leibowde84

leibowde84

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"Ok, tell me what has changed in the scientific method to support evolution from Aristotle to 160 years ago to today?"
I'm not sure I get this question, as it doesn't seem to make much sense. So much has changed. Advancements in technology, experimentation, and advancements in the theory of evolution itself. More work has been done in evolutionary biology and more evidence has been produced to support the theory.

Actually, there hasn't been any evidence found that contradicts the theory of evolution by natural selection. If you have any contradictory evidence (not unanswered questions), I'd love to hear about it.
 
leibowde84

leibowde84

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Rapture Era said:
Isn't yours, Darwin says? I would choose God over Darwin any day! Btw, God does explain how he created all we see today, have you read Genesis?
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No, of course not. The theory has actually advanced quite a bit since Darwin's time. It is constantly being challenged, tested, and experimented on. And, our understanding of evolution increases all the time.

There is a monumental amount of empirical, verifiable evidence that confirms/supports the theory. And, there has not been any verifiable evidence that contradicts it. Evolution is a "scientific theory", not just a scientific hypothesis. A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported theories are not "guesses" but reliable accounts of the real world.
 
Rapture Era

Rapture Era

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Darkstorn said:
Why is it necessary for him to do all that, when you aren't going to submit the details and method of how your version of events took place? Doesn't sound like a fair debate.

Others have to use the scientific method, you get to use the bible. Not fair at all, see?
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Neither of us can use the scientific method. You MUST assume things because the scientific method will not work for evidence in the past, right?
 
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Darkstorn

This shows how unique i am.
Rapture Era said:
Isn't yours, Darwin says? I would choose God over Darwin any day! Btw, God does explain how he created all we see today, have you read Genesis?
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I think you're seriously missing the point of this thread. This thread isn't about providing evidence for evolution. It's about asking arguments for YOUR side that AREN'T "the bible told me so" arguments.

If you can't do that, and are just trying to shift it into the OTHER side once again having to explain their view, then what are you doing here?

Rapture Era said:
Neither of us can use the scientific method. You MUST assume things because the scientific will not work for evidence in the past, right?
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What the hell are you talking about? Answer the question the OP is asking in the way he is asking. Stop trying to shift the thread purposefully into off-topic. Please. You are being disruptive.
 
leibowde84

leibowde84

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Rapture Era said:
Isn't yours, Darwin says? I would choose God over Darwin any day! Btw, God does explain how he created all we see today, have you read Genesis?
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Genesis does not explain HOW god created everything, just that he spoke and it came about. There is no method (beyond god's simple requests) provided. You actually just admitted that.
 
leibowde84

leibowde84

Veteran Member
Rapture Era said:
Neither of us can use the scientific method. You MUST assume things because the scientific will not work for evidence in the past, right?
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The scientific method is used to confirm the theory of evolution all the time. Evolutionary biologists conduct experiments and collect observations/evidence that confirms the theory. That is undeniable.
 
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Darkstorn

This shows how unique i am.
leibowde84 said:
Genesis does not explain HOW god created everything, just that he spoke and it came about. There is no method (beyond god's simple requests) provided. You actually just admitted that.
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I'm thinking you're arguing with a proselytizer who refuses to acknowledge the actual purpose of the thread. He's using "Bu... But the bible" arguments when asked NOT to use those kind of arguments.

Shoddy defence of one's side i'm saying.
 
Rapture Era

Rapture Era

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leibowde84 said:
No, of course not. The theory has actually advanced quite a bit since Darwin's time. It is constantly being challenged, tested, and experimented on. And, our understanding of evolution increases all the time.
Yes, indeed it has, the problem is, the answers to this theory are becoming more detrimental to the theory than beneficial.

There is a monumental amount of empirical, verifiable evidence that confirms/supports the theory. And, there has not been any verifiable evidence that contradicts it. Evolution is a "scientific theory", not just a scientific hypothesis. A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported theories are not "guesses" but reliable accounts of the real world.
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You really need to read the thesis I submitted. After you read it, give me your best arguments to refute anything you disagree with.
 
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Darkstorn

This shows how unique i am.
Rapture Era said:
You really need to read the thesis I submitted. After you read it, give me your best arguments to refute anything you disagree with.
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Your thesis is an argument against evolution, not a defence for your claims about creation. Therefore, not in the purview of this thread. You are purposefully trying to proselytize and ignore the subject of the thread for your own personal agenda.

Rapture Era said:
Like what for example?
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Once again, not the subject of the thread. Explain YOUR view without using the Bible. Go.

Or go when you actually understand this. But just for the giggles, here's a really funny quote from your thesis:

Another of the misleading methods that evolutionists employ on the issue of natural selection is their effort to present this mechanism as an intelligent designer
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leibowde84

leibowde84

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Rapture Era said:
Like what for example?
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Here is a great article on modern evolution. How all species are still constantly evolving and adapting to better suit their environment. If you accept that we adapt to better fit our environment, all you have to do is remember that life has been around for billions of years. Small changes become big over vast amounts of time like that.
Ten Astounding Cases of Modern Evolution and Adaptation
 
Rapture Era

Rapture Era

Active Member
Darkstorn said:
Why is it necessary for him to do all that, when you aren't going to submit the details and method of how your version of events took place? Doesn't sound like a fair debate.

Others have to use the scientific method, you get to use the bible. Not fair at all, see?
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Because he made a statement that is not true. Didnt I do what he asked? Of course I did. I'm only asking him to do the same. Maybe you can in his place being you are speaking for him.
 
Rapture Era

Rapture Era

Active Member
leibowde84 said:
Here is a great article on modern evolution. How all species are still constantly evolving and adapting to better suit their environment. If you accept that we adapt to better fit our environment, all you have to do is remember that life has been around for billions of years. Small changes become big over vast amounts of time like that.
Ten Astounding Cases of Modern Evolution and Adaptation
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The thesis I submitted covers all of this. Please read it and give me your best reasons why you think the subjects covered are not true.
 
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Darkstorn

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Rapture Era said:
Didnt I do what he asked?
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No you didn't. Where are your details and methods?

Of course I did.
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You most certainly did not.

I'm only asking him to do the same.
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But that would be off-topic: This thread isn't about providing evidence for evolution.

Maybe you can in his place being you are speaking for him.
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I don't want to be off-topic. Why do you insists on being off-topic on purpose? To shift attention away from the fact that you used the bible told me so argument?

Rapture Era said:
The thesis I submitted covers all of this. Please read it and give me your best reasons why you think the subjects covered are not true.
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Seriously, make a separate thread. Right now it looks like you're trying to shift attention away from the original post and pollute the thread with your agenda.

Rapture Era said:
Because he made a statement that is not true.
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You made claims first, and you failed to provide evidence. Yet you are making this claim. Curious. Dishonest?
 
Rapture Era

Rapture Era

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leibowde84 said:
Genesis does not explain HOW god created everything, just that he spoke and it came about. There is no method (beyond god's simple requests) provided. You actually just admitted that.
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Yes I did because thats how God reveals it to all of mankind. What else do you want? Do you want me to explain how He formed the molecules and the cells? What exactly are you asking for?
 
Sonofason

Sonofason

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leibowde84 said:
That's not a very good argument, as it is not useful for anyone other than yourself. I'd say it qualifies as personal evidence. But, it isn't a real argument, per se.
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No, it's the best argument. It is the one argument which allows me to say, I no longer need faith in God, because I know there is a God. I do not require my evidence of God to be useful to anyone else. I prefer it this way, and apparently, so does God. It is by faith that we are saved. I'm guessing faith is important to God. When we put faith in God, He reveals Himself to us. No faith, no God.
 
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