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Scientist declaration

maty

Member
Scientist Declaration


Professor Emeritus, Department of Anatomy and Cell Biology, University of Toronto. Distinguished embryologist and the author of several medical textbooks, including Clinically Oriented Anatomy (3rd Edition) and The Developing Human (5th Edition, with T.V.N. Persaud



Investigations in to the 'alaqa or leech-like stage.




"For the past three years, I have worked with the Embryology Committee of King cAbdulazîz University in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, helping them to interpret the many statements in the Qur'ân and Sunnah referring to human reproduction and prenatal development. At first I was astonished by the accuracy of the statements that were recorded in the 7th century AD, before the science of embryology was established. Although I was aware of the glorious history of Muslim scientists in the 10th century AD, and some of their contributions to Medicine, I knew nothing about the religious facts and beliefs contained in the Qur'ân and Sunnah."

Dr. Moore was a former President of the Canadian Association of Anatomists, and of the American Association of Clinical Anatomists. He was honoured by the Canadian Association of Anatomists with the prestigious J.C.B. Grant Award and in 1994 he received the Honoured Member Award of the American Association of Clinical Anatomists "for outstanding contributions to the field of clinical anatomy."

At a conference in Cairo he presented a research paper and stated:

"It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Qur'ân about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God, or Allah, because most of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of God, or Allah."

Professor Moore also stated that:


"...Because the staging of human embryos is complex, owing to the continuous process of change during development, it is proposed that a new system of classification could be developed using the terms mentioned in the Qur'ân and Sunnah. The proposed system is simple, comprehensive, and conforms with present embryological knowledge.

"The intensive studies of the Qur'ân and Hadîth in the last four years have revealed a system of classifying human embryos that is amazing since it was recorded in the seventh century A.D... the descriptions in the Qur'ân cannot be based on scientific knowledge in the seventh century..."


 

Halcyon

Lord of the Badgers
maty said:
It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God, or Allah, because most of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of God, or Allah."

Well, that's highly scientific. I'm glad i never had the opportunity to be taught by this guy, who knows what i would have come away believing!
Just because someone is is a Professer doesn't automatically make them reputable, or even sane - believe me.
 

maty

Member
All of the scientists are insane then

Professor and Chairman of the Department of Anatomy and Developmental Biology, and Director of the Daniel Baugh Institute, Thomas Jefferson University, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA.

Author of over 200 publications. Former President of the Teratology Society among other accomplishments. Professor Johnson began to take an interest in the scientific signs in the Qur'ân at the 7th Saudi Medical Conference (1982), when a special committee was formed to investigate scientific signs in the Qur'ân and Hadîth. At first, Professor Johnson refused to accept the existence of such verses in the Qur'ân and Hadîth. But after a dicussuion with Sheikh Zindanî he took an interest and concentrated his research on the internal as well as external development of the fetus.


"...in summary, the Qur'ân describes not only the development of external form, but emphasises also the internal stages, the stages inside the embryo, of its creation and development, emphasising major events recognised by contemporary science."

"As a scientist, I can only deal with things which I can specifically see. I can understand embryology and developmental biology. I can understand the words that are translated to me from the Qur'ân. As I gave the example before, if I were to transpose myself into that era, knowing what I do today and describing things, I could not describe the things that were described...

I see no evidence to refute the concept that this individual Muhammad had to be developing this information from some place... so I see nothing here in conflict with the concept that divine intervention was involved in what he was able to write..."

 

Halcyon

Lord of the Badgers
Man was not formed from a clay or a blood clot, it doesn't matter how many similarities between embryos and chewing gum people see, it doesn't change the fact that man evolved.
 

Ezzedean

Active Member
Halcyon said:
Well, that's highly scientific. I'm glad i never had the opportunity to be taught by this guy, who knows what i would have come away believing!
Just because someone is is a Professer doesn't automatically make them reputable, or even sane - believe me.

It's funny because if a scientist was glorifying the "Holy" Bible you would probobly give it a thumbs up, but because this science is being shown within the Quran by this professor, this professor apparently cannot be sane.... hilarious.

By the way, what maty is showing is just one of the many scientific facts within the Quran which were impossible to be known at the time of Muhammed... but there is no need to show them, because all the scientists and professors who teach these miracles in the Quran (whom are not muslim) aren't reputable or sane.... lol.

peace
 

Halcyon

Lord of the Badgers
maty said:
Perhaps you may have a look at this site then tell us what you think
www.thisistruth.orghttp://www.thisistruth.org
It seems to me to be an attempt to read things into the Qu'ran, re-interpreting often vague passages in light of modern science. Islamic creationism.

"Do not the unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together [ratqan], before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing [Qur'aan 21:30]"

This passage for example could mean many things, yet here it is interpreted as a divine description of the origin of the universe. Its the same as reading "day" in Genesis to mean 10,000 years, seeing what you want to see.

A rational scientist will never come to the conclusion that the only way to explain passages in the Qu'ran that appear to suggest scientific understanding, is that it was God inspired.
 

Halcyon

Lord of the Badgers
Ezzedean said:
It's funny because if a scientist was glorifying the "Holy" Bible you would probobly give it a thumbs up...
Would i now? Thanks for clarifying that for me.

Creationism is creationism no matter the religion in question.
 

Ezzedean

Active Member
Halcyon said:
Would i now? Thanks for clarifying that for me.

Creationism is creationism no matter the religion in question.

You're right... we evolved from monkeys. Has there been a single report of such evolution in the last two thousand years? Have we as human beings actually seen the evolution of monkey or ape to man? Why didn't we come from a beaver or a lion or a bear? They have learned to adapt to there surroundings, and they too have learned to think and to do a certain amount of problem solving.

If you were walking in the dessert all by yourself for over a year,and there was not a single man in sight for over a year and suddenly you came across a gold clock laying in the sand... what would come to mind? Would you just think that this clock magically appeared? Would you think that this clock appeared due to a natural unplanned reaction? I highly doubt that you would. Every single person that I've asked this question to has said that the thing that would come to mind once seeing this clock is"Where did this come from, and who put it there?"

Why is it so impossible for us to believe that a simple clock couldn't have just magically appeared by chance and luck, but it's possible for us to believe that the earth was. Someone had to have created that clock (which is what every person has said once asked this question)... so what makes the earth so different... and what makes you and I so different?

peace
 

kai

ragamuffin
Ezzedean said:
You're right... we evolved from monkeys. Has there been a single report of such evolution in the last two thousand years? Have we as human beings actually seen the evolution of monkey or ape to man? Why didn't we come from a beaver or a lion or a bear? They have learned to adapt to there surroundings, and they too have learned to think and to do a certain amount of problem solving.

If you were walking in the dessert all by yourself for over a year,and there was not a single man in sight for over a year and suddenly you came across a gold clock laying in the sand... what would come to mind? Would you just think that this clock magically appeared? Would you think that this clock appeared due to a natural unplanned reaction? I highly doubt that you would. Every single person that I've asked this question to has said that the thing that would come to mind once seeing this clock is"Where did this come from, and who put it there?"

Why is it so impossible for us to believe that a simple clock couldn't have just magically appeared by chance and luck, but it's possible for us to believe that the earth was. Someone had to have created that clock (which is what every person has said once asked this question)... so what makes the earth so different... and what makes you and I so different?

peace
where did you get the idea we evolved from monkeys?
 

Ezzedean

Active Member
kai said:
where did you get the idea we evolved from monkeys?

My cousin last week was attempting to explain this to me. Am I misinformed? If so.... could you please fill me in so I don't ever look as ignorant as I might look right now?
 

kai

ragamuffin
the theory is that millions of years ago we shared a common ancestor with apes , our branch of the famil tree became homo sapiens and another branch became apes
 

Halcyon

Lord of the Badgers
Ezzedean said:
You're right... we evolved from monkeys. Has there been a single report of such evolution in the last two thousand years? Have we as human beings actually seen the evolution of monkey or ape to man? Why didn't we come from a beaver or a lion or a bear? They have learned to adapt to there surroundings, and they too have learned to think and to do a certain amount of problem solving.
I'm not going to teach you evolution, do your own research and when you have a better understanding, then we can debate.
Here's a start;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution
 

Ezzedean

Active Member
kai said:
the theory is that millions of years ago we shared a common ancestor with apes , our branch of the famil tree became homo sapiens and another branch became apes

And what was that common ancestor?
 

Ezzedean

Active Member
Thanks for the info boys. I'll more than likely start some sort of thread that will involve a discussion relating to the information you guys have given me, I will also look at other websites and I believe my dad has "Walking with Cavemen" in his DVD collection that I'm gonna check out.

I apologize for my ignorance..... but at the same time I notice a lot of hostility towards muslims on these forums and I've noticed that when we muslims put forth any kind of information it is in no way considered valid to anyone here.... you dont have to view the Quran as true. but there are many other references I've seen my muslim brothers use that seem very valid and informative but yet they get shutdown. I also get a vibe from people on these forums when they respond to anything a muslim has to say it is with less respect than others. (Not all the time... but a lot of the time)

Now I must go. My parents are meeting a girl who I have been getting to know for quite some time tonight for the first time, she is not a muslim or a follower of any religion for that matter... my parents already know this and will still obviously welcome her in our home and get to know her, but it is still a nail biting situation. Wish me luck.

Peace
 

evearael

Well-Known Member
I apologize for my ignorance..... but at the same time I notice a lot of hostility towards muslims on these forums and I've noticed that when we muslims put forth any kind of information it is in no way considered valid to anyone here.... you dont have to view the Quran as true. but there are many other references I've seen my muslim brothers use that seem very valid and informative but yet they get shutdown. I also get a vibe from people on these forums when they respond to anything a muslim has to say it is with less respect than others. (Not all the time... but a lot of the time)
I'm sorry to hear that. I've not seen anything inappropriate on this thread, but if there is ever any personal attacks or rule violations, do not hesitate to hit the warn button. I hope we can all learn from each other and greet wisdom with open arms regardless of whether it is outside our own beliefs. And no apologies. You've shown yourself to be open to learning, and I commend you for that.
Now I must go. My parents are meeting a girl who I have been getting to know for quite some time tonight for the first time, she is not a muslim or a follower of any religion for that matter... my parents already know this and will still obviously welcome her in our home and get to know her, but it is still a nail biting situation. Wish me luck.
Good luck!

Though I hold both religion and science to be very dear, I hold any attempts to strengthen or disregard one based on the other as misguided as trying to do the same with a literary critique of the quadratic formula.
 
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