What is Hell?

URAVIP2ME said:

Hot espresso yes, but don't care that much for the macchiato, but un-iced 'cold brew' suit me (stronger that way).
I hear the ' cold brew ' can now be made at home.

Now to me the Bible is actually written down and does Not change.
Over the many centuries many enemies from within and without have tried to get rid of the Bible and they can't.
Jesus' recorded words are discussing what was actually written down in the old Hebrew Scriptures.
The soon coming ' time of separation ' as mentioned at Matthew 25:31-33,37 is Not make believe because whatever else of Jesus' recorded words have come to pass, so to me, there is No reason to doubt we will see the coming paradisical earth as promised at Revelation 22:2 that there will be healing for earth's nations.

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Unfortunately for that statement, there are around 200+ English language versions of the bible, all different, and who knows how many in other languages. Not one resembles the original book of which there are no surviving copies. The closest existing book to the original is the Catholic Vulgate written some 80 years later and modified to suite a particular cult.

Please provide citation of these jesus words written in hebrew scripture because as far as i understand it, Hebrew scripture identifies Jesus as a fraud who did not meet the criteria of a Messiah and whos father was a roman soldier.

ChristineM said:

Unfortunately for that statement, there are around 200+ English language versions of the bible, all different, and who knows how many in other languages. Not one resembles the original book of which there are no surviving copies. The closest existing book to the original is the Catholic Vulgate written some 80 years later and modified to suite a particular cult.
Please provide citation of these jesus words written in hebrew scripture because as far as i understand it, Hebrew scripture identifies Jesus as a fraud who did not meet the criteria of a Messiah and whos father was a roman soldier.

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There are Bible books that are Not translations. Pick up any 'translation' and see the harmony.
I find Jesus' words from the Hebrew Scripture such as found at:
Matthew 4:4,7,10; 11:10; 21:13; 26:31; Mark 9:13; 14:27; Luke 24:46; John 6:45; 8:17

Compare Matthew 4:4 with Luke 4:4; John 4:34 with Deuteronomy 8:3
Compare Matthew 4:7 with Deuteronomy 6:16
Compare Matthew 4:10 with Deut. 10:20; Joshua 24:14
Compare Matthew 11:10 with Isaiah 40:3; Malachi 3:1
Compare Matthew 21:13 with 2nd Chron, 6:33; Isaiah 56:7; Jeremiah 7:11
Compare Matthew 26:31 with Zechariah 13:7
Compare Mark 14:27 with Isaiah 53:5; Daniel 9:26; Zechariah 13:7
Compare Luke 24:46 with Isaiah 53:5; Hosea 6:2
Compare John 6:45 with Isaiah 54:13;Jeremiah 31:34; Micah 4:2
Compare John 8:17 with Deut. 17:6; Deut. 19:15

URAVIP2ME said:

I can't disagree with your viewpoint ^ above ^ except to say Jesus did give clues about behavior in Matthew chapter 7.
Genuine Christians would be hated according to Matthew 10:22, so a person would have to look for a hated Christian group. Not hated for bad behavior, but hated for proclaiming about the good news about God's kingdom government coming to govern over Earth as mentioned at Matthew 24:14; Acts of the Apostles 1:8; Daniel 2:44.

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I am sure that if Jesus said it he did not mean a group of people. Why do Jehovah's Witnesses feel righteous about adding to the Bible?

URAVIP2ME said:

There are Bible books that are Not translations. Pick up any 'translation' and see the harmony.
I find Jesus' words from the Hebrew Scripture such as found at:
Matthew 4:4,7,10; 11:10; 21:13; 26:31; Mark 9:13; 14:27; Luke 24:46; John 6:45; 8:17

Compare Matthew 4:4 with Luke 4:4; John 4:34 with Deuteronomy 8:3
Compare Matthew 4:7 with Deuteronomy 6:16
Compare Matthew 4:10 with Deut. 10:20; Joshua 24:14
Compare Matthew 11:10 with Isaiah 40:3; Malachi 3:1
Compare Matthew 21:13 with 2nd Chron, 6:33; Isaiah 56:7; Jeremiah 7:11
Compare Matthew 26:31 with Zechariah 13:7
Compare Mark 14:27 with Isaiah 53:5; Daniel 9:26; Zechariah 13:7
Compare Luke 24:46 with Isaiah 53:5; Hosea 6:2
Compare John 6:45 with Isaiah 54:13;Jeremiah 31:34; Micah 4:2
Compare John 8:17 with Deut. 17:6; Deut. 19:15

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Rubbish.

savagewind said:

I am sure that if Jesus said it he did not mean a group of people. Why do Jehovah's Witnesses feel righteous about adding to the Bible?

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I find that you can find Jehovah's Witness beliefs at www.jw.org official website.

savagewind said:

I am sure that if Jesus said it he did not mean a group of people.

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There are two (2) groups of people mentioned at Matthew 25:31-33.
I find that Jesus is the Shepherd which separates those two (2) groups from each other.
Only those placed at Jesus' right hand of favor are considered by Jesus as righteous ones according to verse 37.

URAVIP2ME said:

I find that you can find Jehovah's Witness beliefs at www.jw.org official website.

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Oh! You really are paying attention. Aren't you? <Supreme sarcasm.

URAVIP2ME said:

There are two (2) groups of people mentioned at Matthew 25:31-33.
I find that Jesus is the Shepherd which separates those two (2) groups from each other.
Only those placed at Jesus' right hand of favor are considered by Jesus as righteous ones according to verse 37.

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Jesus does no such thing. The gospel of Jesus is what separates people. To believe in him and to follow him means you are a sheep for everlasting life. To disagree with him means you are a goat.
It is not "going to happen" It IS happening.

Jesus does not separate people. People for Jesus are for God's will be done. What is it? That all people be saved and to God's knowledge come. It is an invitation.

Life is good. It is written that ALL good things are from the Heavenly Father. That means that
if you do not seek the Heavenly Father for Heaven's blessing you are on your way to lose life i.e. a goat.

URAVIP2ME said:

There are two (2) groups of people mentioned at Matthew 25:31-33.
I find that Jesus is the Shepherd which separates those two (2) groups from each other.
Only those placed at Jesus' right hand of favor are considered by Jesus as righteous ones according to verse 37.

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Hello, my brother? Sister? Ok, spiritual sibling! Hope you're well! Just wanted to say.....actually, there are three groups: Jesus' brothers are another!

EDIT: I just saw your verses, you're right! (I'm wrong....I was considering the verses that follow. Where Jesus said, "the least of these my brothers.")

Take care!

Hockeycowboy said:

Hello, my brother? Sister? Ok, spiritual sibling! Hope you're well! Just wanted to say.....actually, there are three groups: Jesus' brothers are another!
EDIT: I just saw your verses, you're right! (I'm wrong....I was considering the verses that follow. Where Jesus said, "the least of these my brothers.")
Take care!

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I appreciate your ^ above ^ post because Matthew 25:40 is Not talking about the two (2) groups of verses 31-33.
So, to me that means there is No way we can judge and conclude who is either a figurative ' sheep ' or ' goat '.
But that for sure they (the sheep/goats) are Not classed as being one of Jesus' spiritual brothers of verse 40.

NathanShepard8888 said:

Hell is Eternal Darkness, Fire And Punishment

Jesus Christ gave a few literal statements about Hell being a place of fire: "The Son of man will send his angels and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and law-breakers, and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." Matthew 13:41-42 "So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come out and separate the evil from the righteous, and will throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." Matthew 13:49-50

Jesus also gave a few literal statements about Hell being eternal and a punishment. The same word in the Greek language in which the New Testament was originally written was used in these passages. The word means eternal, everlasting, without end, never to cease. "Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels." Matthew 25:41 "And these will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous eternal life." Matthew 25:46

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it depends on who you ask, doesn't it? Which is where the problem lies.......

janeebananee said:

Hell is a state of mind wherein darkness prevails and misery thrives and we're lost in dwelling on negative thought.
But not to worry. No one's going to Hell. There IS no such place, actually.
Besides, what would be the point of eternal punishment? It makes no sense whatsoever, and what is true of God always makes perfect sense.
It's blasphemous to contend God would subject us to eternal punishment.
Who would have a God like that as their God? Who would worship such a God, worthy only of contempt?
Why Hell-be-damned, we'd ALL be atheists if THAT God was God!

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So how do you reconcile the nonexistence of Hell with your Christianity? I agree, though, that eternal punishment is sadistic. Generally speaking, sins are sins because they cause harm. There is nothing a person can do that would cause an infinite amount of harm.

URAVIP2ME said:

I appreciate what you mention ^ above ^, and I agree, ' hell ' is Not in the original biblical manuscripts, but Not as many Christians claim, but rather as: so many ' so-called Christians ' claim. There is a difference.
Gospel writer Luke forewarned us that false shepherds (the so-called Christians of Christendom) would try to fleece the flock of God according to Acts of the Apostles 20:29-30.

I find it's false clergy who use ' fire ' as a scare tactic to try to control the flock of God, when in Scripture fire can be symbolic of destruction such as the wicked will be 'destroyed forever' according to Psalms 92:7.
The biblical choice according to 2 Peter 3:9 is: to either ' repent ' or ' perish ' (be destroyed) No burning.

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AGREE!

janeebananee said:

Hell is a state of mind wherein darkness prevails and misery thrives and we're lost in dwelling on negative thought.
But not to worry. No one's going to Hell. There IS no such place, actually.
Besides, what would be the point of eternal punishment? It makes no sense whatsoever, and what is true of God always makes perfect sense.
It's blasphemous to contend God would subject us to eternal punishment.
Who would have a God like that as their God? Who would worship such a God, worthy only of contempt?
Why Hell-be-damned, we'd ALL be atheists if THAT God was God!

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If biblical hell ( grave ) was just a state of mind, then how does one explain that the day Jesus' died that dead Jesus went to hell according to Acts of the Apostles 2:27.
Since Jesus, and the old Hebrew Scriptures, teach sleep in death, then dead Jesus would be in a sleep-like state until resurrected out of biblical hell according to John 11:11-14; Psalms 115:!7; Psalms 146:4; Ecclesiastes 9:5.

Psalms 16:10 mentions that Jesus was Not left in hell. In order to Not be left in hell, then Jesus would need to be resurrected out of biblical hell. God resurrected Jesus out of hell according to Acts of the Apostles 3:15.

Sure, I agree No one is going to some non-biblical hell of forever burning, but to the Bible's hell=mankind's grave.
Temporary biblical hell comes to a final end according to Revelation 20:13-14 because after everyone in hell is ' delivered up' ( resurrected ) out of hell, then emptied-out hell is cast vacant into a symbolic ' second death ' for vacated hell.

So, to me there is an actual place (in KJV English) called hell, but it is just mankind's temporary grave until Resurrection Day meaning Jesus' millennium-long day of governing over Earth when the majority of people will be resurrected back to happy-and-healthy physical life on Earth. To me that is why Acts of the Apostles 24:15 uses the ' future tense' that there ' is going to be ' a resurrection.......

Confucian Mormon Buddhist said:

So how do you reconcile the nonexistence of Hell with your Christianity? I agree, though, that eternal punishment is sadistic. Generally speaking, sins are sins because they cause harm. There is nothing a person can do that would cause an infinite amount of harm.

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Since biblical principle is eye for eye, tooth for tooth, which means equal justice, then you are right there is No sin that could be equal to an infinite amount of harm.

I found when the word Gehenna was translated into KJV English the word Gehenna was translated as: hellfire.
Gehenna was just a garbage pit outside of Jerusalem where things were destroyed forever, Not kept burning forever.
Biblical hell ( mankind's temporary grave ) does exist, but non-biblical hell is a religious-myth hell of burning forever.
According to Scripture, the day righteous Jesus died he went to biblical hell for just a few days.
If biblical hell was a permanent place then Jesus would still be in hell - Acts of the Apostles 2:27; 3:15
Also, Jesus was well educated in the old Hebrew Scriptures which teach sleep in death according to:
- Psalms 6:5; Psalms 13:3; Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4; Daniel 12:2; Daniel 12:13; Ecclesiastes 9:5.
That is why I find that Jesus also taught sleep in death at John 11:11-14.
So, it is Not the non-existence of biblical hell (grave), but the non-existence of a religious-myth hell of forever burning.
Everyone in temporary biblical hell will be 'delivered up' meaning resurrected out of hell because Jesus has the keys to unlock death and 'biblical' hell for us according to Revelation 1:18.

Confucian Mormon Buddhist said:

There is nothing a person can do that would cause an infinite amount of harm.

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I agree there is nothing one person can do to cause an infinite amount of harm, but a human society can by allowing the destruction of life on the Earth.

savagewind said:

I agree there is nothing one person can do to cause an infinite amount of harm, but a human society can by allowing the destruction of life on the Earth.

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And if a deity does that - say with a global flood or fiery apocalypse?

NathanShepard8888 said:

Hell is Eternal Darkness, Fire And Punishment..... "Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels." Matthew 25:41 "And these will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous eternal life." Matthew 25:46

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Shortly: the hell is the Trash Can.

It Aint Necessarily So said:

And if a deity does that - say with a global flood or fiery apocalypse?

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The global flood did not destroy all life so I don't understand your question.