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Are Jehovah's Witnesses taught not to answer hypothetical questions?

siti

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Jesus was very forthright when it came to telling it like it was. How about his words to the Pharisees?
And how about when the Sadducees asked a "dumb question" (about the resurrection that they didn't even believe in) and Jesus (reportedly) called them on it in Matthew 22:29. Here's how The Message renders that verse: "Jesus answered, “You’re off base on two counts: You don’t know your Bibles, and you don’t know how God works."

But I'm not sure about using the phrase liberally in the field ministry though. Does that really work down under? I doubt it. I've known - and worked with - a few Aussies and, on average, they seem to have the same propensity for prickliness as anyone else.
 
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savagewind

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But again - the question was about whether JWs are taught not to answer hypothetical questions.
You should know that Jehovah's Witnesses are taught not to get into debates "about words" and since all communication is about words, there you go....
So - since you are proud of your JW service years
I wonder how I knew you were an elder?....Not!
were you?
You are not making sense (but thank you for talking to me). Are you asking if I was proud then when doing it? No, I wasn't. If you are asking about now, how could I be? I was helping to propagate lies. Lies are weeds.
How and when was that lesson taught to you?
Exactly? LOL You ARE funny!
Hypothetical just means point of view which is philosophy. JWs are taught not to listen to worldly philosophy. Surely you know that?

What scriptural support was used to reinforce the injunction against hypothetical questions?
I have provided such scriptures on this thread. JWs are for talking to people who might become JWs. They are not about growing with learning.
And how, since you now seem to disagree with it
With what? That the picture of the antichrist should be called "Jesus"?
(perhaps - though if I am not allowed to claim that my "truth" is from God -
I think it should be obvious that no one should call what they say "from God". Heads up! People are not God.
perhaps you still agree that we shouldn't entertain hypothetical questions - you certainly seem to have a very negative reaction to mine).
I AM negative. Of course, my reactions are negative. Oh my goodness, look at my rating. One of the lowest on the whole forum. For that I am proud. With all your Bible learning you probably don't understand why I would be proud of it.
But about entertaining hypothetical questions. The asking of hypothetical questions is what I do here.
That question was specifically for @Parsimony who will, I believe, understand it.
I knew you might say that.;)
 

savagewind

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Whoa! How did I did miss this gem? This is meant to prove what? That JWs don't like hypothetical questions that challenge their current beliefs - but you are much more open-minded?

The case for the defense rests your honor!
I have proof. All you have to do is look at the Bible proof without prejudice. The interesting thing is no one will. Not any JW and not anyone else either. Do they have a grip, or what?
 

savagewind

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The only time I say, "God says" is when God tells me what is going to happen.

How could I know it is God? Dah! God is the only one in the future.
God says you won't understand.

To know the future requires seeing. Correct? We are not there to see. Correct? WHO is?
 

A Vestigial Mote

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O good grief! :facepalm: What is it with people who take every word so personally? Or is it just some super sensitive Americans?
I'm sorry... those are some pretty dumb questions.



Perhaps you need to read more scripture.....Jesus was very forthright when it came to telling it like it was. How about his words to the Pharisees?
I guess you're right... he was a pretty offensive guy as well. Maybe I'm a lot more like Jesus than I thought!

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So you can be disrespectful and be aware of it, but I can't be interpreted as disrespectful, (even though I'm just telling it like it is from my perspective,) because I claim to be a Christian? :confused:

If you find my posts offensive, I am sorry, but that is how I express myself. If you don't wish to be offended, please don't read my posts. :D Its pretty simple really.

I enjoy reading your posts. You make perfect examples of why I do not hail as Christian or Jehovah's Witness... or any of it. I thank you, honestly. You show me exactly what not to be. And no, if you want to "witness" with any sort of effectiveness, I'd say straying into the realm of disrespect probably isn't the way to go, for exactly the reason I just stated. I will refuse to emulate you because I dislike your behavior. It's pretty simple really.
 

siti

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The asking of hypothetical questions is what I do here.
But the question was not about asking them - it was about answering them.

You are correct about the "debates about words" (2 Timothy 2:14, 23; Titus 3:9; Colossians 2:8)...

But these were talking about disputes within the Christian Congregation that threatened to become divisive issues among the brothers. You are right that it is sometimes used to dissuade conversations that go nowhere in terms of "making disciples". But the example of Paul also shows that he did not mean we should entirely dismiss other viewpoints as unworthy of discussion. Look at Titus 1:10-14. See in verse 12, Paul quotes Epimenides - a Cretan philosopher who, in the 6th century BCE, composed a poem to support his theological argument of Zeus' immortality - (most Cretans did not agree with him):

They fashioned a tomb for thee, O holy and high one
The Cretans, always liars, evil beasts, idle bellies!
But thou art not dead: thou livest and abidest forever,
For in thee we live and move and have our being.

Clearly Paul had read Epimenides and considered the writings quite seriously. He quotes also the last line of this stanza in his famous speech to the Athenians at the Areopagus (Acts 17:28).

So Paul had no problem with hypotheticals - unless we are assuming that he thought that the existence and immortality of Zeus were actually true?

These are not the only quotes from pre-Christian human philosophy - or, indeed, "Jewish fables" (Jude quotes from the pseudepigryphal Book of Enoch for example - Jude 1:14-15) - that got elevated to the status of "divinely revealed truth" in the Christian Greek Scriptures. That's a tough one for JWs - or any other fundamentalist/literalist interpreter of the Bible to answer (convincingly). But the point is, as far as I can see, although some JWs may interpret these verses to imply that they should not even talk about other people's viewpoints, it can hardly be claimed that this is either a scriptural or doctrinal requirement for them. What it is telling them (which again I no longer agree with but it is what it says) is that they should not waste time disputing matters of genealogy, philosophy or foolish questions with brothers in the congregation who already 'know the truth' - not to disregard out of hand the differing viewpoints of "those on the outside" who have not yet taken in the knowledge that "means everlasting life".

You and me are not in that latter group any more so they can disregard our viewpoints quite happily!
 

savagewind

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But the question was not about asking them - it was about answering them.
Yes, I know. If I ask a question I hope for an answer. Right?

The rest of the post I read. I read it all. And now I know you can take the man out of the Watchtower, but not the Watchtower out of the man.
 

siti

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The rest of the post I read. I read it all. And now I know you can take the man out of the Watchtower, but not the Watchtower out of the man.
Really? Have you ever read anything like what I wrote in the Watchtower? Most of what I wrote is diametrically opposed to Watchtower explanations - especially in regard to NT writers quoting pagan and Jewish philosophy (since I am knowingly putting it up here where active JWs are I could even be accused of apostasy for my last post because I am knowingly questioning the divine origin of God's Word - you can't get much further away from "Watchtower" than that).

But the obvious fact is that Paul was talking about "disputes about words" WITHIN the Christian congregation. Personally I don't see why we shouldn't have them (disputes about words would definitely make the meetings more interesting to me) - but there is no way that Paul was admonishing believers not to entertain hypothetical questions from those to whom they were bringing the "good news". If you understood that differently, then perhaps you missed the point.

But I don't suppose you would be able to entertain the hypothetical scenario in which you might have misinterpreted the meaning of scripture?
 

siti

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@savagewind - you responded to comments I had clearly addressed to @Parsimony here:

They say the rider on the white horse pictured at Revelation 6:2 pictures Jesus Christ.
Might it picture the many coming in his name Matthew 24:5?
here:
They say the rider on the white horse pictured at Revelation 6:2 pictures Jesus Christ.
Might it picture the many coming in his name Matthew 24:5?
and here:
Are you asking how talking about a different point of view can change someone's life?

What does your post here mean?
and you responded to a comment I clearly addressed @Deeje here:

This is so interesting as it goes along with my assumption that if Jesus himself were to tell any Jehovah's Witness anything different than what their "one mind" has agreed on to believe, they wouldn't believe him. They believe it HAS TO come through the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses for it to be true.

And then you accuse me of interrupting:
Here I am again interrupting...
So
Do you mean for me too?
Yes - I did indeed mean for you too - but it's not nearly so funny when a full explanation of the joke is required. That kinda makes the whole discussion ironic - don't you think?:rolleyes:
 

Parsimony

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OK - so what would be the consequences of that hypothetical scenario? How would it change your outlook - your life?
In some ways, it would change a good bit. I'd start attending Kingdom Hall and going door-to-door the way that they do. If the proof that I received regarding the correctness of the Jehovah's Witnesses was something that I was able to share, I'd be sharing it with others. I'd also be trying to figure out how in the world scientists got the evidence for evolution so wrong. In other ways, it wouldn't change all that much. I already pray and read the Bible.
 

siti

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In some ways, it would change a good bit....
OK - I concede! Now we have a demo of how someone could indeed consider the consequences of changing their belief(s) ... and noting that nobody died ... maybe someone would like to get the topic back on track (sorry - I know I am the guilty party getting it so far off track in the first place) by hypothetically considering how a JW might hypothetically deal with a sudden revelation of the truth of Hinduism. (OMG - is siti really 'switching horses' after all that - does anyone else feel the need for an irony emoji?)
 
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savagewind

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But I don't suppose you would be able to entertain the hypothetical scenario in which you might have misinterpreted the meaning of scripture?
That would be you. Of course, I entertain it every day.
That I know that billions of people misinterpret scripture it HAS TO follow that I might be misinterpreting them also.
 

savagewind

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And then you accuse me of interrupting:
Excuse me? Are you confused or is your reading comprehension akilter?

That was me acknowledging that I was interrupting At least it is funny.

Have you heard of gaslighting? It seems it is what many, many, many people do on the internet.
I think I do not do it.
 

savagewind

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By the way, it is I who can confess I do not know the intended meaning of scripture. It is YOU who profess to know it. God!

Also, it is I who is able to acknowledge that mistakes have had to have crept in as humans ARE human.
It is the Jehovah's Witnesses (and many, many, many, many, many others) who seem to be assuming that everyone who heard words, wrote words, copied words, and translated words were super-human.
 
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