Christians witnessing in chatrooms

Riders said:

ANyways so they're kicked out. Question why do Christians do this? Use a different religious room for their religious expression to go in and witness. ALso the bible says not to use trickery. They lied and manipulated their way in tried to make it look like they wer'nt witnessing when they were.
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I think witnessing is what everyone does. IMO. I think everyone bleeds in what they belief in their discussions (there are exceptions, of course)

When two people are expressing their thoughts and beliefs, it is always a "witnessing" of one's position. When one discusses why he/she is an atheists, buddhist, et al, -- ultimately they are witnessing their beliefs. I think that if, because of their discussions (witnessing what they believe), one changes their position because of the arguments given and made--that person has been proselytized into the other persons beliefs.

It is just that people have given a negative connotation to what everyone does.

Penguin is trying to convert my position on whether or not Christianity has had a net positive/negative influence. Synthesized, he wants to convert my position.

I am not offended by his efforts nor do I take it personal. ( Of course, he hasn't been able to hedge anything forward).

wizanda said:

When we understand Zen like Po in Kung Fu Panda 2, where he learns to use someone's own energy against themselves; then we don't need to use force, if we do, we don't get the art of Zen.

Neither compassion or alarm; the problem is if we're affected by something, we have some issues with it....

The Zen way is to understand it to the point of dismantling their whole case, with one enlightening word.

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Well I agree with you wholly on this. Abosolutly I should be at a point where I have no reaction your right. However that being said, its better to have compassion then to fight. I had no consequences to my behavior.

I got an apology and they got kicked out so I'm satisfied with my behavior, however you are right, it could've been better. I should've said nothing at all, could've just left the scene, he was gonna kicked out anyways so.I do have issues with Christians, I'm still working on myself.

KenS said:

I think witnessing is what everyone does. IMO. I think everyone bleeds in what they belief in their discussions (there are exceptions, of course)

When two people are expressing their thoughts and beliefs, it is always a "witnessing" of one's position. When one discusses why he/she is an atheists, buddhist, et al, -- ultimately they are witnessing their beliefs. I think that if, because of their discussions (witnessing what they believe), one changes their position because of the arguments given and made--that person has been proselytized into the other persons beliefs.

It is just that people have given a negative connotation to what everyone does.

Penguin is trying to convert my position on whether or not Christianity has had a net positive/negative influence. Synthesized, he wants to convert my position.

I am not offended by his efforts nor do I take it personal. ( Of course, he hasn't been able to hedge anything forward).

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Yes but he got kicked out because he disobeyed the rules and bullied me around and used another religions chatroom to witness. Your saying that doesn't offend you? I feel like he harassed me and others did too, they complained about him and the other one too, they were banned. That doesn't offend you? People complaining about you harrassing them doesn't offend you?


He broke the rules and tried to kick me out your ok with that with him called me Satans dummy and calling me names telling me how stupid I am. If he were doing that here hed be kicked out too.

So Ken ok with Christians bullying people in chat?

The more you hang out around people, the crazier you get.
Zen is about solitude.
Solitude promotes balance.
Balance promotes peace.
Peace is what happens when there are no people.

EWE have to say I disagree with you there. we were made to live in families and have kids and be in the community. But if being alone brings you peace go ahead. I have to be alone when I meditate of course.

Many years ago I had an attack of proselytizing. In my case it was related to health. Any time someone said anything about their body, I gave them the word from on high that they needed to do this or that and if they did not they would suffer the consequences.

I got over this urge but understand the how the zeal can infect someone.

The question is are we opening a door to Christianity by being so peaceable?

The Christian guy talking to his Christian buddy, Is a them posting at night when no one was on. They were saying stuff like" they just haven't gotten it yet, Zen is a peaceable religion ,they have no choice but to accept Jesus, they will come around". So is it possible that by being so peaceble with Christians we are opening a door to Christianity?

Riders said:

So we've got Ken here saying that he agrees with the Christian in my room. And we have Zen Buddhists telling me I should be more peaceable because our beliefs require us to be layed back and peaceable.

The question is are we opening a door to Christianity by being so peaceable?

The Christian guy talking to his Christian buddy, Is a them posting at night when no one was on. They were saying stuff like" they just haven't gotten it yet, Zen is a peaceable religion ,they have no choice but to accept Jesus, they will come around". So is it possible that by being so peaceble with Christians we are opening a door to Christianity?

I don't believe its ok to use that to run over people with.I believe these guys took advantage and ran over me.

They bullied and ran over me and actually if it happens again I will report it. I feel violated bullied and abused by it its not ok.

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Being bullied is never OK.

Riders said:

I dropped out of it and did the right thing and did not fight.

ARe you suggesting I should have fought with him?I was sweet polite, what would you rather me do.

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IMO, you have to do whatever it is you think is best for you.
What I usually do is view these events as life purposefully trying to screw with me. The goal I set for myself is to figure out to efficiently deal with these events so life can't screw with me.

The Christians, or whom ever, are just doing their jobs. The more annoying they try to be, the better they are doing job. My job is to not be effected by it at all. If you can achieve that I find a couple of things happen.

First, the situation can become very funny. Sometimes they start to get desperate trying to get a reaction out of you. This can be a source of entertainment.

Second, you can choose to respond however you want. You can be polite, you can be rude, you can threaten or cry. As long as it's something you are choosing to do and not a reaction to anything they are doing. You can even pretend to go along and be converted. Whatever you choose to do. It puts you in control of yourself in the situation.

Maybe it's difficult and takes practice but if you can do this, life becomes a lot less threatening. Sometimes I have to try not to laugh at the audacity of some of the threats thrown at me.

I guess the point is that it puts you in control of your choices and that's where you want to be.

Riders said:

Yes but he got kicked out because he disobeyed the rules and bullied me around and used another religions chatroom to witness. Your saying that doesn't offend you? I feel like he harassed me and others did too, they complained about him and the other one too, they were banned. That doesn't offend you? People complaining about you harrassing them doesn't offend you?


He broke the rules and tried to kick me out your ok with that with him called me Satans dummy and calling me names telling me how stupid I am. If he were doing that here hed be kicked out too.

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Please forgive me - I didn't want to imply that I didn't think he harassed you. I believe you. Was just making a comment in general

CogentPhilosopher said:

Christianity is an idea that compels it's host to do actions in order to make it reproduce. It would be a dead idea by now if it did not.

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Your ^ above ^ post reminds me of the words of Gamaliel found at Acts of the Apostles 5:38-39 that if the preaching work is from men it will come to nothing, but if it is from God it can Not be overthrown.........
So, if Not from God it would simply stop on its own.

Thank you Ken s. I appreciate it.

URAVIP2ME said:

Your ^ above ^ post reminds me of the words of Gamaliel found at Acts of the Apostles 5:38-39 that if the preaching work is from men it will come to nothing, but if it is from God it can Not be overthrown.........
So, if Not from God it would simply stop on its own.

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So the bible is wrong then?

Hinduism, Islam, Buddhism, and Sikhism have been growing and existing, Hinduism far before your religion, and they are false according to you.

CogentPhilosopher said:

So the bible is wrong then?
Hinduism, Islam, Buddhism, and Sikhism have been growing and existing, Hinduism far before your religion, and they are false according to you.

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I don't see how the Bible is wrong. No one can get rid of the Bible, and No one can get rid of Bible people.
If Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8 was Not from God it would have ceased a long time ago, instead it can't e stopped.
That to me has nothing to do with any growing or existing of other religions, but that the Bible's message would serve as a witness (Not a conversion) for other religions or nations.

URAVIP2ME said:

If Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8 was Not from God it would have ceased a long time ago

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Use your mind for a second.

If a message that is not from your god would have died out in 2000 years time. Then why is Hinduism still going strong?

CogentPhilosopher said:

Use your mind for a second.
If a message that is not from your god would have died out in 2000 years time. Then why is Hinduism still going strong?

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No, I am Not saying a message Not from the God of the Bible would have died out......
I am saying if Matthew 24:14 was Not from God that work would have stopped instead of quickly spreading.
I am saying just as Matthew 24:14 says that the good news about God's kingdom government would be proclaimed on an international global scale to all earth's nations just as it is being done today.
The spreading of that message can't be stopped from reaching all of earth's nations.
Even modern technology has helped speed up that message work because now rapid Bible translation is possible to the point that people even in remote areas of the Earth can now have Scripture in their own mother tongue, or native language - Acts of the Apostles 1:8.

URAVIP2ME said:

No, I am Not saying a message Not from the God of the Bible would have died out......
I am saying if Matthew 24:14 was Not from God that work would have stopped instead of quickly spreading.

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If it was not true, then the verse would not mean anything because it would not be true.

crowfeather said:

The more you hang out around people, the crazier you get.
Zen is about solitude.
Solitude promotes balance.
Balance promotes peace.
Peace is what happens when there are no people.

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Solitude isn't what is being focused upon in Zen. It just looks that way. ;0)

KenS said:

Penguin is trying to convert my position on whether or not Christianity has had a net positive/negative influence. Synthesized, he wants to convert my position.

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Actually, I don't think you're open to having your mind changed (and if you are, I doubt you'd admit it - people tend to be reluctant to lose face). I'm trying to convince the other people reading the thread.