You Saw Who did It

pearl · May 5, 2017

I think evil looks like anything or anyone that one may fear.

james bond · May 5, 2017

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arthra · May 5, 2017

Thief said:
let's just say you caught a glimpse of the Someone who did a very bad thing
pick any scenario you want but your going to point the finger at Satan....or the Devil.....what does the Evil One look like to you?

In my belief "Satan ...or the Devil" has no ontological reality... that is it has no existence.

The reality underlying this question is that the evil spirit, Satan or whatever is interpreted as evil, refers to the lower nature in man.

~ Abdu'l-Baha, Foundations of World Unity, p. 77

We know absence of light is darkness, but no one would assert darkness was not a fact. It exists even though it is only the absence of something else. So evil exists too, and we cannot close our eyes to it, even though it is a negative existence. We must seek to supplant it by good,

(Compilations, Lights of Guidance, p. 512)

So man is responsible for his actions and cannot blame a "Satan" or that someone bit an apple in the Garden.

Thief · May 5, 2017

columbus said:
Vilifying Judas is irrational.
Jesus Himself picked him to be the linchpin in the Salvation story. Jesus told him to go do it. If Judas had failed in that mission Jesus would have had to draft someone else, or there would be no Salvation.

The treatment of Judas in the story is good evidence that it was made up by humans with some human agenda.
Tom

I lean to the notion ...Jesus knew what Judas was up to
knew Judas had been to the Pharisees on a previous occasion

and most people of such faith seem to lean to possession in spirit
and believe Satan did so unto Judas

Alison Wonderland · May 6, 2017

Thief said:
let's just say you caught a glimpse of the Someone who did a very bad thing
pick any scenario you want

but your going to point the finger at Satan....or the Devil.....

what does the Evil One look like to you?

Professionally, I once had to deal with a dude who raped and murdered his own children. Then became a stepfather to a couple of small children, one of whom he abused. He's now serving 55 years in jail.

What did he look like?

A loser, wannabe rapper. His greatest gig was at his local church.

He was significantly shorter and smaller than me. Looked virtually harmless. I guess the kids he ****ed with probably saw it differently.

Sonofason · May 6, 2017

Thief said:
let's just say you caught a glimpse of the Someone who did a very bad thing
pick any scenario you want

but your going to point the finger at Satan....or the Devil.....

what does the Evil One look like to you?

I wouldn't be pointing any fingers at Satan. He, for lack of a better word is impotent. He isn't responsible for anything that we do. All He can do is cheer you on.

columbus · May 6, 2017

Sonofason said:
I wouldn't be pointing any fingers at Satan. He, for lack of a better word is impotent. He isn't responsible for anything that we do. All He can do is cheer you on.

Bingo.
God, on the other hand, doesn't have that out.

If He exists in some way and is anything like described in the Bible.

Tom

Sonofason · May 6, 2017

columbus said:
Bingo.
God, on the other hand, doesn't have that out.

If He exists in some way and is anything like described in the Bible.

Tom

Wrong. God is not responsible for what you do either.

Thief · May 7, 2017

Akivah said:
If I see someone doing a bad thing, then I will call the police. People that do crimes don't look the same. The blank-and-white striped pajamas are cliche.

different topic....
however.....eye witnesses have been proven to be the WORST form of evidence

it's true

Thief · May 7, 2017

columbus said:
No.
I blame Our Creator.

Whether God or evolution made us as we are, we're kinda stoopid and have the instinctive behavior of an ape. Sometimes, to a degree, we learn better. But mostly not all that well. Morality is when we do learn better, immorality is when we don't.
Morality is from humans, immorality is from God.
Tom

and I believe the garden event was a reboot of the flesh
an attempt to increase the likelihood of a better spirit

but let's blame the devil

Thief · May 7, 2017

Satans_Serrated_Edge said:
Evil doesn't exist outside of the human mind. You see a thing, or an action, you deem it as evil. The entire process is inside your mind.

The universe doesn't care. Things either are, or are not. Beyond that it's a matter of taste.

so no spiritual influence?

Thief · May 7, 2017

Sonofason said:
I wouldn't be pointing any fingers at Satan. He, for lack of a better word is impotent. He isn't responsible for anything that we do. All He can do is cheer you on.

and when you see him.....and I believe we all get to see him....
what will he look like?

Thief · May 7, 2017

Alison Wonderland said:
Professionally, I once had to deal with a dude who raped and murdered his own children. Then became a stepfather to a couple of small children, one of whom he abused. He's now serving 55 years in jail.

What did he look like?

A loser, wannabe rapper. His greatest gig was at his local church.

He was significantly shorter and smaller than me. Looked virtually harmless. I guess the kids he ****ed with probably saw it differently.

so...appearance doesn't count in this life....
how about the next?

Thief · May 7, 2017

arthra said:
In my belief "Satan ...or the Devil" has no ontological reality... that is it has no existence.

The reality underlying this question is that the evil spirit, Satan or whatever is interpreted as evil, refers to the lower nature in man.

~ Abdu'l-Baha, Foundations of World Unity, p. 77

We know absence of light is darkness, but no one would assert darkness was not a fact. It exists even though it is only the absence of something else. So evil exists too, and we cannot close our eyes to it, even though it is a negative existence. We must seek to supplant it by good,

(Compilations, Lights of Guidance, p. 512)

So man is responsible for his actions and cannot blame a "Satan" or that someone bit an apple in the Garden.

and I say....the written word ....serpent ....
was a notation of character rather than form

Satans_Serrated_Edge · May 7, 2017

Thief said:
so no spiritual influence?

I guess that depends how you might define spiritual. I am as moved by epic scenery or the vastness of the night sky as anyone, but I don't attribute those feelings to anything external.

Thief · May 7, 2017

Satans_Serrated_Edge said:
I guess that depends how you might define spiritual. I am as moved by epic scenery or the vastness of the night sky as anyone, but I don't attribute those feelings to anything external.

and the existence of such things.....formed in mind only?

but that's another topic

let's just say.....the 'one' who bears the greatest intent of harm can be seen
by eye or by rational

did you get a good look?

columbus · May 7, 2017

Thief said:
and I believe the garden event was a reboot of the flesh

Why? Why would you believe that?
I read about Frodo the hobbit bringing his support (Sam) and his nemesis (Gollum) to the Crack of Doom. Great story. The only differences I see between Genesis and Lord of the Rings is that the stories are written by different people and Lord of the Rings is more sophisticated ethics.

Thief said:
an attempt to increase the likelihood of a better spirit

An attempt by Who?
The human Family is not that different from our ancient ape forebears, unfortunately. Almighty God could do better, if there was one. The fact that He hasn't is solid evidence that there is no Almighty God.

Thief said:
but let's blame the devil

You can if you want to. But I don't see any reason to do so. I see religious beliefs as something humans do for reasons having nothing to do with Truth or Reality. It's all about the human agenda. Power, Greed, Sex.
Tom

Thief · May 7, 2017

columbus said:
Why? Why would you believe that?
I read about Frodo the hobbit bringing his support (Sam) and his nemesis (Gollum) to the Crack of Doom. Great story. The only differences I see between Genesis and Lord of the Rings is that the stories are written by different people and Lord of the Rings is more sophisticated ethics.

An attempt by Who?
The human Family is not that different from our ancient ape forebears, unfortunately. Almighty God could do better, if there was one. The fact that He hasn't is solid evidence that there is no Almighty God.

You can if you want to. But I don't see any reason to do so. I see religious beliefs as something humans do for reasons having nothing to do with Truth or Reality. It's all about the human agenda. Power, Greed, Sex.
Tom

so...you don't have a clue what the devil might look like?

columbus · May 7, 2017

Thief said:
so...you don't have a clue what the devil might look like?

Not only that.
I don't think you do either.
Tom

ETA ~He might look like a 1st century carpenter. Who knows? ~

Satans_Serrated_Edge · May 7, 2017

Thief said:
and the existence of such things.....formed in mind only?

but that's another topic

let's just say.....the 'one' who bears the greatest intent of harm can be seen
by eye or by rational

did you get a good look?

No, the night sky would still exist without me to appreciate it, but that's neither here nor there.

Evil is in the mind of the beholder. To a fundamentalist christian, homosexuality and sexuality outside of marriage could be quantified as 'evil'

To a liberal, these very views held by that same christian might be seen as the evil.

A muslim might see the liberals views as a product of evil, while still viewing the fundamentalist christian as evil, despite the fact they might agree on this point.

Killing might be viewed as evil by some, unless it's, say, the killing of a pedophile, which might not be viewed in such a way, until the same liberal from the first example quantifies the pedophile as 'sick' and as such, would see the desire to have them killed as evil.

It's all relative, its all mindspace.

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