the two would be a different manifestation of humanities potential. one is mostly self serving, or selfish, the other is mostly a servant to all as self, selfless.
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Is Lucifer an Aspect of God
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the two would be a different manifestation of humanities potential. one is mostly self serving, or selfish, the other is mostly a servant to all as self, selfless.
actually science has mostly agreed with the ancients on this.
its called the no-hiding theorem.
basically the idea that intelligence/information/consciousness/knowledge is eternal
EtuMalku
Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
That works for me
Well, some believe that good cannot exist without evil.
So, if God is good and Satan is evil, God cannot exist without Satan.
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- viole
i first learned this concept from buddhism. it was the idea that if all things held the same density/vibration, we could not differentiate one thing from another. thus if a rock held the same density, state of matter, that water held, then we couldn't differentiate rocks from water, or vice verse.
Well, we have something like that in Western culture, too.
I think Leibniz said something very similar. The Identity of Indiscernibles, or something.
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- viole
Except that it says nothing of the sort. It merely says that physical information that is deleted in one place has to exist somewhere else. It says NOTHING at all about consciousness,intelligence, or knowledge. And it uses a very technical definition of 'information'.
information is information no matter where it comes from, or where it goes.
fyi, it states you can't delete information at the quantum level.
knowledge
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Segev Moran
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void indeed is not nothing
PilgrimOfLight
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Turns out there are many Gods, not just one. Your mentioning of the term "El" is a significant point because "El" is singular whereas the term "Elohim" is plural. Consider now the words of Deuteronomy:
Deuteronomy 10:17
"17 For the Lord your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward"
Note the terms here. He is a God of gods, plural. He is "A" great god rather than just "the" god.
In other versions of the Bible the Gods are referred to as "Elohim", which as stated is plural
Deuteronomy 11:16
"16 Take heed to yourselves, that your heart be not deceived, and ye turn aside, and serve other gods, and worship them"
Again a clear statement that there are many gods and that they can also be worshipped.
Spiderman
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I have an analogy. If a police man has Ted Bundy handcuffed and in the back seat of his car and He unlocks the cuffs and lets Bundy run free, that cop is partially responsible for the murders that follow.
Likewise, the Devil is defeated says Scripture. God essentially has him cuffed and shackled. The Devil can harm no one unless God gives him permission to. But God gives the devil the freedom to harm people knowing he will do it.
If a policeman unshackled and uncuffed an obvious killer and let him run free, and he killed more people, we would say that policeman has blood on his hands. The policeman would be charged with a crime and share some of the responsibility. The same is true with God and Satan. God lets his defeated prisoner run free knowing exactly what he will do and the harm he will cause. God is responsible for Satan's power and actions. It is obvious!
Likewise, the Devil is defeated says Scripture. God essentially has him cuffed and shackled. The Devil can harm no one unless God gives him permission to. But God gives the devil the freedom to harm people knowing he will do it.
If a policeman unshackled and uncuffed an obvious killer and let him run free, and he killed more people, we would say that policeman has blood on his hands. The policeman would be charged with a crime and share some of the responsibility. The same is true with God and Satan. God lets his defeated prisoner run free knowing exactly what he will do and the harm he will cause. God is responsible for Satan's power and actions. It is obvious!
yes, this 'el' is first mentioned in relationship to melchizedek, or priest of god most high.
gen 14:18
Repox
Truth Seeker
Satanist have a good case against the OT Lord. However, I don't buy it. I don't apply human morality to God. Also, I don't believe the Bible is entirely accurate.
Sleeppy
Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
The ignorance of the Morning Star reflects the knowledge of the Sun of Righteousness, dimly to Earth.
Job for example, exalted himself as Satan; an adversary before the knowledge of God, by thinking himself blameless.
Lucifer represents the corruption of knowledge, or Satan, being brought before the Sons of God, and the Son of Man. The Lucifer metaphor reinforces Genesis' fall of Man from Eden, due to Adam's intermingled knowledge of Good and evil.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
and the state of free will was overlooked
If God shackles all forms of harm
there is no freewill
EtuMalku
Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
I'll have to vehemently disagree . . .
MorningStar
The word Lucifer can be traced to the ancient ideals surrounding the myths associated with the Morningstar and his brother the Evening Star. Early on these myths place the Morningstar into the role of attempted usurper who is defeated and becomes a ‘fallen’ deity. It would not be until the Gnostics of the 1st centuryA.D. and Milton’s ‘Paradise Lost’ (1667 A.D.) found Lucifer to be the Serpent in the Garden of Eden and transformed the myth of the Fallen Morningstar into that of
the angel Lucifer the principle of compassion for life and creation, defiance of
corrupt authority and the current of spiritual evolution.
JOB
What is the reasoning behind God the Almighty’s resistance to such a little, puny, and defenseless man such as Job? There must be something which Man has the ability to achieve, and this something is the very same something found in the Garden of Eden story with our hero Lucifer as serpent. God sees in Job something of equal in power which causes him to bring out his whole arsenal of destruction and parade it before his opponent. God projects onto Job a skeptic’s face which is hateful because it is his own, it questions his omnipotence.
The unconscious mind of Job sees correctly even when conscious reason is blind and impotent. God’s dual nature has been revealed. Job, in spite of his impotence, is set up by Satan to judge over God himself. God unwittingly raises Job’s spiritual consciousness by humiliating him, and in doing so God pronounces judgment on himself and gives man moral satisfaction.
God’s behavior is that of an unconscious being who cannot be judged morally. God is a phenomenon and, as Job says in the Bible, “not a man.” Not human but, in certain respects, less than human, which is how God described the Archdemon of the West Leviathan. Job realizes God’s inner antinomy, and in the Luciferian Light of this gnosis his knowledge attains a divine numinosity . . . Job becomes like a god!
Lucifer is the Principle of Compassion for Life and Creation, the Light born in the Womb of Darkness . . . defiance of corrupt authority and the Current of Spiritual Evolution. As Prometheus, unlike the Abrahamic savior, He dies every day in order to bring us the Flame.
Job obviously didn't have much compassion for life, as he regularly practiced burnt offerings. {Whole burnt offerings (holocaust) is where you burn up the whole animal--not used for food purposes. aka, needless killing}
Job 1:1-6 Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
1 There was a man in the country of Uz named Job. He was a man of perfect integrity, who feared God and turned away from evil. 2 He had seven sons and three daughters. 3 His estate included 7,000 sheep, 3,000 camels, 500 yoke of oxen, 500 female donkeys, and a very large number of servants. Job was the greatest man among all the people of the east.
4 His sons used to take turns having banquets at their homes. They would send an invitation to their three sisters to eat and drink with them. 5 Whenever a round of banqueting was over, Job would send for his children and purify them, rising early in the morning to offer burnt offerings for all of them. For Job thought: Perhaps my children have sinned, having cursed God in their hearts. This was Job’s regular practice.
Ecclesiastes 5:1 King James Version (KJV)
5 Keep thy foot when thou goest to the house of God, and be more ready to hear, than to give the sacrifice of fools: for they consider not that they do evil.
Hi. If "Lucifer" is one of Satan's names, then why isn't it in Rev.12:9? "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world.."
EtuMalku
Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
That's just it, Lucifer is not one of Satan's names.