5 Lies You’ve Been Told About the US Legalizing Marijuana

psychoslice · May 4, 2017

Bob the Unbeliever said:
Where did I say **that**? Seriously? Did you not read my earlier post-- that **any** driving while impaired should be a ticket-able offense?

I would include (but not limited to): drunk, high, kids-not-in-carseats, texting, talking-on-the-phone, changing music on a device, taking prescription meds that impair judgement or wakefulness, eating, etc, etc, etc.

Driving is a privilege. If you cause an accident, and you were impaired by something not related to actual driving? DUI ticket, fine, loss of license, etc.

I cannot wait for auto-drive cars to become mandatory; eliminating the too stupid human component from the equation.

Especially those with kids who are leaping about inside a moving vehicle...

Yes I agree, but I certainly am not looking forward to auto cars, or the stupid idea of flying cars.

psychoslice · May 4, 2017

Bob the Unbeliever said:
Why? Because YOU say so? Who died and made YOU god-in-charge-of-all-adults?

Hmmmm?

You did not even offer a basic argument other than, "Nuh-UUUH!"

I can say the same back at you.

QuestioningMind · May 4, 2017

Alison Wonderland said:
I didn't say that.

"Questioning Mind" LOL

Well then please DO enlighten us as to what you meant when you posted "Seriously.
Sometimes I wonder about the lifestyles of people who post here; some seem to reek of an obvious deficiency in regular social interaction."

In response to my post: "What does the fact that people want to get high have to do with subject of the OP? And people admit outright that they want to get high all of the time."

Alison Wonderland · May 5, 2017

Lyndon said:
O yeah, right, like I have no experience with Meth users, generally only Meth users defend using Meth.

"Generally"? More horse **** you've pulled from nowhere.

An objective discussion regarding meth would involve removing prejudices like yours and involving a more comprehensive analysis that ShadowWolf alluded to.

Useful chart:

Alison Wonderland · May 5, 2017

QuestioningMind said:
Well then please DO enlighten us as to what you meant when you posted "Seriously.
Sometimes I wonder about the lifestyles of people who post here; some seem to reek of an obvious deficiency in regular social interaction."

In response to my post: "What does the fact that people want to get high have to do with subject of the OP? And people admit outright that they want to get high all of the time."

I had already responded. See my first post in this thread.

Enlighten you? Maybe meet people who have actually experienced recreational substances on a primary, secondary or even tertiary level.

Y'know - people besides your mother and friends you allow into her basement. Maybe then your mind will be better enabled to question things.

Lyndon · May 5, 2017

Alison Wonderland said:
"Generally"? More horse **** you've pulled from nowhere.

An objective discussion regarding meth would involve removing prejudices like yours and involving a more comprehensive analysis that ShadowWolf alluded to.

Useful chart:

I see you left off the biggest factor; mental harm, from your list, in which tobacco would be at the bottom and ,Meth would be at the top, worse than heroin.

Alison Wonderland · May 5, 2017

Lyndon said:
I see you left off the biggest factor; mental harm, from your list, in which tobacco would be at the bottom and ,Meth would be at the top, worse than heroin.

While discussing an already subjective and questionable chart, you muddy the waters further by putting a rector scale on "mental harm"?

You have no argument.

Lyndon · May 5, 2017

oh, great debater, drugs don't have mental harm???LOL

Underhill · May 5, 2017

Nowhere Man said:
A drunk will defend his or her booze just as vemently as those who defends his or her marijuana.

It's really all about getting high, or drunk, or both.

People come out of the woodwork defending this stuff like crazy. They just want to smoke the drug.

There is an important distinction. Getting high can have a huge wellness benefit to people with parkinsons, cancer and other chronic conditions. I don't think the same can be said about alcohol.

Nous · May 5, 2017

psychoslice said:
I suppose its right if its policed like drink driving

Did you actually change your mind on the topic here? If so, I think you should be recognized for it, as I'm not sure anyone here has ever changed his/her opinion on any matter.

psychoslice · May 5, 2017

Nous said:
Did you actually change your mind on the topic here? If so, I think you should be recognized for it, as I'm not sure anyone here has ever changed his/her opinion on any matter.

Yes i have changed my mind on a few thing here, not clinging to any beliefs.

Alison Wonderland · May 5, 2017

QuestioningMind said:
Well then please DO enlighten us as to what you meant when you posted "Seriously.
Sometimes I wonder about the lifestyles of people who post here; some seem to reek of an obvious deficiency in regular social interaction."

I had already explained myself. Try to keep up.

To illustrate further what I meant: I would claim that anyone who has ever entertained a rich social life from high school onwards will have at some point reached reasonable conclusions about recreational drug use. And this doesn't necessarily mean using drugs; it's more to do with cutting through the noise and approaching these things with what one might refer to as a "questioning mind".

In response to my post: "What does the fact that people want to get high have to do with subject of the OP? And people admit outright that they want to get high all of the time."

Your point being?

Shadow Wolf · May 5, 2017

Lyndon said:
I see you left off the biggest factor; mental harm, from your list, in which tobacco would be at the bottom and ,Meth would be at the top, worse than heroin.

So what then do you say to those who get medical benefits from one of the various forms of amphetamine?

Lyndon · May 5, 2017

We're talking about Crystal Meth, not medical forms of Amphetamine.

Lyndon · May 5, 2017

Also medical forms of amphetamine are not legally smoked, snorted or injected; big difference.

Shadow Wolf · May 5, 2017

Lyndon said:
New Also medical forms of amphetamine are not legally smoked, snorted or injected; big difference.

It's still ingesting various forms of amphetamine. Also, you can take the pills orally recreationally. The one real big difference is one is made in some shaky setup under no regulations, the other is prepared in a lab by people with a background in chemistry and carefully guided by strict guidelines.

Alison Wonderland · May 5, 2017

Shadow Wolf said:
It's still ingesting various forms of amphetamine. Also, you can take the pills orally recreationally. The one real big difference is one is made in some shaky setup under no regulations, the other is prepared in a lab by people with a background in chemistry and carefully guided by strict guidelines.

Precisely.

Alison Wonderland · May 5, 2017

Lyndon said:
We're talking about Crystal Meth, not medical forms of Amphetamine.

They're not a far cry away from each other. They're all amphetamines.

Two points:

1. Meth, or any other amphetamine that is manufactured illegally runs the risk of adulteration;

2. Generalizing all people who might use amphetamine (or any other drug for that matter) in any context in a negative light in incredibly small minded; I happen to have met many people (including colleagues) who have used illicit hard stimulants without negative repercussions.

You seem like the type of cranky old guy who would sit on a fold out chair on his front lawn with a speed radar, screaming at cars that drive past: "yeah, drive like hell - you'll get there!!!"

Shadow Wolf · May 5, 2017

Alison Wonderland said:
2. Generalizing all people who might use amphetamine (or any other drug for that matter) in any context in a negative light in incredibly small minded; I happen to have met many people (including colleagues) who have used illicit hard stimulants without negative repercussions.

This. The way some people talk, you'd think it'd be impossible for someone to graduate college with honors while using psychedelics and a bit of speed. Surely no one who is ever held in high regards would think of touching drugs.

Lyndon · May 5, 2017

Alison Wonderland said:
They're not a far cry away from each other. They're all amphetamines.

Two points:

1. Meth, or any other amphetamine that is manufactured illegally runs the risk of adulteration;

2. Generalizing all people who might use amphetamine (or any other drug for that matter) in any context in a negative light in incredibly small minded; I happen to have met many people (including colleagues) who have used illicit hard stimulants without negative repercussions.

You seem like the type of cranky old guy who would sit on a fold out chair on his front lawn with a speed radar, screaming at cars that drive past: "yeah, drive like hell - you'll get there!!!"

You need to read the forums Terms of service before the moderators come knocking on your door, for one thing personal attacks are strictly forbidden, secondly promoting illegal drug use is strictly forbidden, though they give a break to the pot heads because that's legal in some places.

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