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Noah's Flood vs The Epic of Gilgamesh

james bond

Well-Known Member
And why do they vary so much in time, duration, and scope? Noah's flood is said to have occurred somewhere between 3,000 - 2200BC (depends on who one chooses to listen to). Almost all of the other floods lack a date or don't fall within the 3,000 - 2200BC span. Unlike the flood of Noah, some of the flood stories have the flood lasting for "six months," "several years," "twelve years," and even "twenty-two years." And some of these floods only covered "the country side." Others have the flood waters "submerging the house entirely." While other floods only reached the "tree tops."

Oh yes, these other flood stories have been distorted through centuries of passing down information. And how do we know this? Because the Noachian flood is true, and by default all the other flood stories must reference this flood and no other. Relate a story about some other flood? Get out of here.


THE TEST:

Does the account appear in the Bible?

Yup.

Then it's true.

Yup.
The point: Anything can be tested. A fact that means bupkis.



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>>THE TEST:

Does the account appear in the Bible?

Yup.

Then it's true.

Yup.<<

You're missing a step before and after "Does the account appear in the Bible?"

How can creation science explain this?

Does the account appear in the Bible?

Does the science back up the Bible?

Yup.

Then it's true.

Yup.

As for the time difference between Egyptian history and Biblical history, the pyramids and Egyptian history has been shown to be convoluted. The confusion is compounded when some scholars disregard the Biblical chronology. Traditional Egyptian chronology is disputed by Hebrew chronology and that which is recorded in the Bible as well as secular data from neighboring nations. One of the criteria for evaluation a nation's chronology is to compare it with neighboring or regional chronology.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
>>THE TEST:

Does the account appear in the Bible?

Yup.

Then it's true.:D

Yup.<<

You're missing a step before and after "Does the account appear in the Bible?"

How can creation science explain this?

Does the account appear in the Bible?

Does the science back up the Bible?

Yup.

Then it's true.

Yup.

Ever hear of Occam's razor? If not, it's only a Google copy/paste operation away.

As for the time difference between Egyptian history and Biblical history, the pyramids and Egyptian history has been shown to be convoluted. The confusion is compounded when some scholars disregard the Biblical chronology. Traditional Egyptian chronology is disputed by Hebrew chronology and that which is recorded in the Bible as well as secular data from neighboring nations. One of the criteria for evaluation a nation's chronology is to compare it with neighboring or regional chronology.
And, of course, any archeologist or historian worth his weight in a plate of church pot luck supper would always defer to the Bible for accuracy. :D

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gnostic

The Lost One
But the devil said, don't worry about that flood, build some pyramids to keep you safe. The pyramid part is my own speculation, thats not in the bible.
Yes, that speculation...and a very uneducated speculation at that.

People have burying the dead, for at least 100,000 years (Middle Palaeolithic).

The first pyramid was built for the 1st king (Djoser, reign 2686 - 2667 BCE) of the 3rd dynasty, at Saqqara, known as the Step Pyramid.

This earliest pyramid predated the great pyramid of Giza of the 2nd king of the 4th dynasty, Khufu, reign 2589 - 2566 BCE, by over a century.

The Step Pyramid predated the estimated date of the Genesis Flood (based on the translations of Masoretic Text), of 2340 BCE, by over 2 centuries.

According to Jewish traditions, no one but god knew when the Flood would occur, meaning no angels (therefore Satan didn't know too) knew this would happened until god revealed his plan to Noah.

Archaeologically and historically, there have been many floods in ancient Egypt, but none of them show evidences that Genesis extinction-level event occurred in Egypt, because they have been building pyramids before and after 2340 BCE.

Had there been Flood of Genesis' magnitude, the kings would have stopped building these pyramids for some period of time, because there wouldn't be enough manpower to build pyramids, since most people would have been dead after the Flood. And there are no evidences of Egyptians stop building pyramids for their kings throughout the Old Kingdom period 2686 - 2181 BCE.

2340 BCE would have set the Flood in the reign of the 1st king of the 6th dynasty, Teti (reign 2345 - 2333 BCE). If the Flood had happened, then Teti and his children would be dead, and Teti wouldn't have a successor, his son Pepi I (2331 - 2287 BCE), who also has his own pyramid.

Before the 3rd dynasty, kings were buried in tumulus. And mummification predated pyramid-building by almost 1000 years, around 3500 BCE. During this time (c 3500 BCE), Egypt was divided into two kingdoms, north (Lower Egypt, region in Delta Nile) and south (Upper Egypt, which is everything south of the Delta), known as the Predynastic period (4000 - 3050 BCE ). Egyptian culture even exist back then, for they still worshippped a number of gods that were better known when the 2 kingdoms were united into one ( c 3050 BCE).

Before Narmer (or Menes), the 1st king of the 1st dynasty, the northern and southern kingdoms have two distinctive crowns for two different kings. But when Narmer united all of Egypt, he also combined two crowns as one, which they continued to wear in the 1st millennium BCE. These 3 different crowns are shown in many art works, are evidences of the longevity of Egyptian culture. Arts may changed their styles, but in Egypt, the prehistoric styles persisted into the Bronze Age.

Another of Egyptian culture is their writing systems. The hieroglyphs and hieratic existed in Egypt as early 3100 BCE. And hieroglyphs continued to be used in temples and tombs as late as the Roman period 1st century CE.

Had Flood occurred as they say, would the new people, descendants of Ham (Mizraim or Egypt from Genesis 10) would have different style of writing. In Egypt). And according to Genesis 10, Egypt didn't exist until after Ham's son - Mizraim or Egypt- became a man and colonise he land we called Egypt.

Well, Egypt did exist and predated everything about the bible.

In the 3rd millennium BCE, writing in the Levant (like Canaan) didn't exist, possibly because they were illiterate. When writing existed in 2nd millennium BCE in Canaan, they were more similar to Akkadian-Old Babylonian cuneiform, which are different from Egyptian hieroglyphs.

Ugaritic cuneiform didn't exist until 15th century BCE. Phoenician alphabet in 12th century BCE. Paleo-Hebrew around 10th century BCE.

So if Moses did exist in the 13th century BCE, what writing did he used?

He couldn't use Hebrew alphabet, because the earliest inscription were Paleo-Hebrew 10th century BCE and onwards. And since there are no literary evidences existing before the Iron Age, a lot of Genesis and Exodus historicity are dubious and questionable.

You know of nothing about history in Egypt and Canaan during the Bronze Age (c 3100 - c 1000 BCE). All you have is your belief and faith in the bible, and just personal speculation.

The OT bible only contained very little of verifiable history, mostly in some parts of 1 & 2 Kings and that was written 6th century BCE. Nothing in Genesis and Exodus are verifiable. Most of what it say are either (A) purely mythological, or (B) inaccurate, or (C) wrong, or (D) all of the above.

I don't think you know anything about Egypt, anymore than james bond know about history. You should stop speculating and do some research on Egypt, before you make another comment on things you don't know.
 

Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Yes, that speculation...and a very uneducated speculation at that.

People have burying the dead, for at least 100,000 years (Middle Palaeolithic).

The first pyramid was built for the 1st king (Djoser, reign 2686 - 2667 BCE) of the 3rd dynasty, at Saqqara, known as the Step Pyramid.

This earliest pyramid predated the great pyramid of Giza of the 2nd king of the 4th dynasty, Khufu, reign 2589 - 2566 BCE, by over a century.

The Step Pyramid predated the estimated date of the Genesis Flood (based on the translations of Masoretic Text), of 2340 BCE, by over 2 centuries.

According to Jewish traditions, no one but god knew when the Flood would occur, meaning no angels (therefore Satan didn't know too) knew this would happened until god revealed his plan to Noah.

Archaeologically and historically, there have been many floods in ancient Egypt, but none of them show evidences that Genesis extinction-level event occurred in Egypt, because they have been building pyramids before and after 2340 BCE.

Had there been Flood of Genesis' magnitude, the kings would have stopped building these pyramids for some period of time, because there wouldn't be enough manpower to build pyramids, since most people would have been dead after the Flood. And there are no evidences of Egyptians stop building pyramids for their kings throughout the Old Kingdom period 2686 - 2181 BCE.

2340 BCE would have set the Flood in the reign of the 1st king of the 6th dynasty, Teti (reign 2345 - 2333 BCE). If the Flood had happened, then Teti and his children would be dead, and Teti wouldn't have a successor, his son Pepi I (2331 - 2287 BCE), who also has his own pyramid.

Before the 3rd dynasty, kings were buried in tumulus. And mummification predated pyramid-building by almost 1000 years, around 3500 BCE. During this time (c 3500 BCE), Egypt was divided into two kingdoms, north (Lower Egypt, region in Delta Nile) and south (Upper Egypt, which is everything south of the Delta), known as the Predynastic period (4000 - 3050 BCE ). Egyptian culture even exist back then, for they still worshippped a number of gods that were better known when the 2 kingdoms were united into one ( c 3050 BCE).

Before Narmer (or Menes), the 1st king of the 1st dynasty, the northern and southern kingdoms have two distinctive crowns for two different kings. But when Narmer united all of Egypt, he also combined two crowns as one, which they continued to wear in the 1st millennium BCE. These 3 different crowns are shown in many art works, are evidences of the longevity of Egyptian culture. Arts may changed their styles, but in Egypt, the prehistoric styles persisted into the Bronze Age.

Another of Egyptian culture is their writing systems. The hieroglyphs and hieratic existed in Egypt as early 3100 BCE. And hieroglyphs continued to be used in temples and tombs as late as the Roman period 1st century CE.

Had Flood occurred as they say, would the new people, descendants of Ham (Mizraim or Egypt from Genesis 10) would have different style of writing. In Egypt). And according to Genesis 10, Egypt didn't exist until after Ham's son - Mizraim or Egypt- became a man and colonise he land we called Egypt.

Well, Egypt did exist and predated everything about the bible.

In the 3rd millennium BCE, writing in the Levant (like Canaan) didn't exist, possibly because they were illiterate. When writing existed in 2nd millennium BCE in Canaan, they were more similar to Akkadian-Old Babylonian cuneiform, which are different from Egyptian hieroglyphs.

Ugaritic cuneiform didn't exist until 15th century BCE. Phoenician alphabet in 12th century BCE. Paleo-Hebrew around 10th century BCE.

So if Moses did exist in the 13th century BCE, what writing did he used?

He couldn't use Hebrew alphabet, because the earliest inscription were Paleo-Hebrew 10th century BCE and onwards. And since there are no literary evidences existing before the Iron Age, a lot of Genesis and Exodus historicity are dubious and questionable.

You know of nothing about history in Egypt and Canaan during the Bronze Age (c 3100 - c 1000 BCE). All you have is your belief and faith in the bible, and just personal speculation.

The OT bible only contained very little of verifiable history, mostly in some parts of 1 & 2 Kings and that was written 6th century BCE. Nothing in Genesis and Exodus are verifiable. Most of what it say are either (A) purely mythological, or (B) inaccurate, or (C) wrong, or (D) all of the above.

I don't think you know anything about Egypt, anymore than james bond know about history. You should stop speculating and do some research on Egypt, before you make another comment on things you don't know.

While Noah was building an ark, telling people about the flood. the other people started building pyramids like giant fishing sinkers, that wouldn't get swept away.
 

whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
Yes, the ark of Gilgamesh would roll over the ocean like a volleyball where the Ark of Noah was very nautically shaped

Werner Gitt, a professor from a German Information technology institute, showed the dimensions make the ark of Noah a good balance between stable and easiest to build

But what would you expect if there was a flood? millions of dead things buried in rock layers laid down by water all over the earth. And what do we see? millions of dead things buried in rock layers laid down by water all over the earth as Buddy Davis likes to sing

As the Bible says 'the waters covered all the high mountains over all the earth' and all occurs in those chapters of the account about 35 times. Not the language of a local flood.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Well they're made of stones..so. What evidence would you expect to find?
Evidence of a flood.
Yeah, Ancient Egypt probably came right around after the flood. The people settled there because there were huge pyramids left by the inhabitants before the flood.
Here's the thing though, nothing has been found to suggest there has been an abrupt and sudden end to human life, only to slowly merge outwards again.
 

Sapiens

Polymathematician
I'm not sure what you are saying by false dichotomy and I live next to a river which was in danger of flooding this past winter. The difference between a local flood and global was there is no way to prevent an act of God like that. The only survival mechanism we had was a warning of a global flood and to prepare the Ark. It was a catastrophe that wiped out all the inhabitants of Earth. The biggest evidence it occurred is 3/4 of our planet is covered by water.

As for the your last two comments, I think it's based on hyperbole, conjecture and trolling because it goes against your worldview.
There is no evidence of the world wide flood you are claiming, there is much evidence that every river there has ever been has, at one time or another, flooded. Back in the day there was no way to prevent a local flood or even to predict it. But we know, for a provable fact that the the tales of the Ark are horsepucky, basic marine architecture proves it.
How is the design defective?
Read the references that were provided, or don't ... just remain ignorant.
 

Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
They weren't built to be falsifiable, but to honor God, Moses and Noah.
It honors God to show us a boat that obviously couldn't be true?

It was about survival of the fittest,
The only righteous guy was a guy who immediately after got on a drunken bender and cursed an entire line of his descendants because he couldn't own up to being a naked drunk. That's God's high standards for righteousness, ladies and gentlemen.

The Genesis deluge can be tested because some guy in Kentucky built a boat-shaped museum.
A boat that isn't sea-worthy in the slightest and had to use modern materials and tax perks to get it built at all and isn't allowed to be cram-packed with real animals for ethical reasons.

Those are nothing more than amusement/theme parks. I've to Hogwarts at Universal Studios, but it makes Hogwarts no more real than a fantasy from a book.
Hogwarts is amazing. :)

It has far more attention to detail than the vids I've seen of Ham's BS stuff.

Did he plan more space in the ark just in case people listened to him?
Yeah, funny how there was never any talk of making room for any other people. It's almost like no one really felt like saving other people to begin with.

They would have repented from all the evil doing they were doing, then God would have not sent the flood.
But then everyone'd think God was just pulling their leg, like when He threatened to kill Adam and Eve and then let them live close to a thousand years and STILL be the progenitors of the human race despite there being nothing to stop God from just starting from scratch since the test sample was contaminated.

They asked Jesus if they could posses a heard of pigs, then all they did was make the pigs run off a cliff to die.
What a great Savior! He not only ruined someone's livelihood but the whole place probably smelled like rotten pork for ages AND everyone would need therapy after listening to the squealing and splatting of so many pigs.

If Jesus had posted that little stunt to Youtube or Facebook or something, He'd be arrested for animal cruelty.

Don't know what Satan's angle was. Maybe just to watch them die.
Jesus was content to watch them die. Got it.

Since Noah's Ark and the Flood raised so many questions on how it was possible, the Creation Museum organization and an unrelated wealthy chap both built arks according to the directions in the Bible.
ROFLMAO. I missed the verses about using cranes and steel and other materials that didn't exist back in the day.

I'm not sure if he's going to let the public aboard, but it demonstrates that the Ark can be put on water and not sink.
*sigh* He filled it with eight human beings and all the animals of the world? If not, the conditions were not replicated. Plus, there are no "springs of the deep" to pour onto this thing either. Taking it for a tour on calm seas during a sunny day while frickin' empty doesn't test the story at all.

The difference is Noah's story is in the Bible.
Oh, well, that clinches it for me. The bible's never been known to hand us crap before. Wait ...

Ha ha. The Ark Encounter and Creation Museum is different. They're historical theme parks.
Only in the sense that it is sadly history that an ignorant turd with more money than brains made things that wouldn't pass a kindergarten science class. Where is the girl playing the (now outdated) scaly utahraptors in the bible? If they are for a literalist interpretation, how come there's so much BS in there that isn't in the bible?

The people settled there because there were huge pyramids left by the inhabitants before the flood.
If all 8 people lived in Mesopotamia, who was left to go to Egypt and everywhere else?

As for Ark Encounter and the rest, I haven't been there yet so will have to rely on their website, Creation Museum and videos.
So you don't know how pathetically silly it is because you just trust Ken Ham like he's a prophet?

While Noah was building an ark, telling people about the flood. the other people started building pyramids like giant fishing sinkers, that wouldn't get swept away.
With vents all over the pyramids, how come flood waters that should've covered the pyramids didn't show up and destroy the intricate decorations in the pyramid? Why were they pristine? Have you ever been to New Orleans after a hurricane? It's not like you can't see what flooding does to a place. The damage simply isn't there in the pyramids, making this claim silly.

Yes, the ark of Gilgamesh would roll over the ocean like a volleyball where the Ark of Noah was very nautically shaped
And as the Titanic and lots of other ships teach us, "boat-shaped boats" are incapable of being sunk. Wait ...
 

jonathan180iq

Well-Known Member
I'm getting Noah's Flood from The Book of Genesis in the Bible, a historical document.
So, your first premise being completely false is not a problem to you?
The Bible is an historical document only in that it was written and compiled a long time ago. It's not a factual retelling of events anymore than the Iliad was a factual retelling of one of the battles for Ileon.

I can't believe you do not acknowledge that NASA is going to Mars in order to colonize. Are you American (If you told me, I forgot. Apologies.)? It's supposed to start in the 2030s if they get funding. From NASA: "Future Mars missions will represent a collaborative effort between NASA and its partners—a global achievement that marks a transition in humanity’s expansion as we go to Mars to seek the potential for sustainable life beyond Earth." I don't think I'll start a separate thread on this because I'm more interested in colonizing the moon and space stations and not Mars.
Yes, I am an American. I'm also an active member of the Planetary Society, the American Astronomical Society, an educational representative for the Tellus Science Museum, and a social media correspondent for NASA who has visited Cape Canaveral and walked the halls of both NASA's & Space X's facilities... You simply aren't properly reading the lines that you've quoted and you're inventing all kinds of things out of a combination of misunderstanding and ignorance.

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/journey-to-mars-next-steps-20151008_508.pdf

The Mars plan is a political statement of American ingenuity and leadership in a technological field. It's main scientific objective is to validate our current understandings of the planet, its geology and history, and to determine whether or not life once existed (or still exists) in that environment. The actual use of Mars as a colonial expansion of humanity is nothing more than science fiction. Mars is about as large as the Moon. There is no air. There is no water. And there is no food. How would you propose humans live for more than a temporary stay in a place like that?

I am a space geek who will literally cry when the first human foot prints finally mark that red soil. I supported the Mars Direct studies, proposed by Robert Zurbin, for that purpose. But I do not delude myself the way that you do into believing that NASA is building a Space Ark to save humanity from the perilous outcome of a wasteful steady-state mentality...

It's easy for you to want to find conclusions and comparisons to your faith in a modern way. But I'm telling you that what you're claiming is nothing more than a weird combination of misunderstanding and wishful thinking. It's not real.

As for the regional flood, at one time I thought so, too. It was the documentation of Robert Ballard on ABC news. However, the evidence didn't back up his version. It fell by the wayside.
A constant problem with religious literalists, and Creationist thinking, is their inability to recognize confirmation bias. When you're in an environment that prides itself on resisting outside input as part of a zealous defense of your faith, you're not allowing yourself to actually learn anything other what you've already convinced yourself of. That's a serious problem which hinder both reason and cognition.

I'm glad that you've done enough reading and research to attempt to have a response here - that's part of good apologetics. But, please, read just a little more.

https://pubs.usgs.gov/circ/2004/circ1254/pdf/circ1254.pdf
The Flood: Mesopotamian Archaeological Evidence | NCSE
Ancient Mesopotamia - The Sumerians


As for Ark Encounter and the rest, I haven't been there yet so will have to rely on their website, Creation Museum and videos. Also, let's not get hung up on the falsifiable. While that is the ideal, it should not stand in the way of exploration of good scientific hypothesis. We do not explore using science in order to falsify. For example, if I said God is represented in our physical world by time, space and matter is that falsifiable? What about parts of the EMS? Or that gravitational waves exist (this wasn't falsifiable until last year)? What about dark energy, dark matter and the multiverse? What about being able to travel back in time? We showed we can travel forward in time, but we didn't do it by trying to demonstrate it was falsifiable. Science doesn't make breakthroughs by falsifiability. Creationists point out that evolution is not falsifiable, but it's not the be all, end all.

This is a mish-mash of ideas that don't really go together, so let's just stick with the Creation Museum and Ark Encounter, shall we?

From the videos and photos that you've seen, are there any actual artifacts at either of those places? Any real bits of pottery, structural foundations, or items recovered by actual field workers - like Archaeologists? Or is just a lot of high-tech, well-funded, Bible-based artistry? (Be honest with yourself).

Let me give you an example from the Bible itself.
Since you've claimed that the Ark Encounter proves that the Ark could have actually worked, and you've used that as basis for your idea that it's a falsifiable flood story, I'd like you explain to me how the shape and design of the Ark at the Encounter was derived, since it certainly didn't come from the Bible...

Genesis 6:14-16
14“Make for yourself an ark of gopher wood; you shall make the ark with rooms, and shall cover it inside and out with pitch. 15“This is how you shall make it: the length of the ark three hundred cubits, its breadth fifty cubits, and its height thirty cubits. 16“You shall make a window for the ark, and finish it to a cubit from the top; and set the door of the ark in the side of it; you shall make it with lower, second, and third decks.

That's it...
That's literally all there is to it. No other information, whatsoever, anywhere in the Bible.


Yet this is what you get to see:
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Tell me - where did that particular design idea come from? What bit of Biblical or factual evidence did they use to determine that this is what the Ark of Noah would have looked like? If they're wrong about the design, then isn't the Ark Encounter really just a huge blasphemous tourist attraction?

This should be a really big problem for you as a person of faith, shouldn't it?

I'm not just being a dick... I'm asking you to think rationally, for yourself and for the defense of your faith. Biblical Literalism and strict adherence to nonsensical ideas is NOT what your God has called you to believe in.
 

jonathan180iq

Well-Known Member
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See?

This is completely idiotic.
It did not come from the Bible.
It is not part of Biblical apologetics. It is nothing more than a monument to irrationality, a capitalistic bastardization of Christianity, and an idol to stupidity.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
While Noah was building an ark, telling people about the flood. the other people started building pyramids like giant fishing sinkers, that wouldn't get swept away.
Sorry, but the Egyptians started building pyramids several centuries before the estimated date of the translations. They were built for entombment for the current king. Sometimes smaller pyramids were built for their wives, next to the kings' pyramids. Only the 4th dynasty pyramids were large. The 5th and 6th dynasty pyramids were getting smaller and smaller, so they would often much protection whatsoever.

The notion, your speculation, that they were built to keep them safe, is absurd. Putting dead body in the coffin inside a pyramid is not keeping them safe. And why would they continue to build pyramids after this mythological Flood.

Not only you are wrong about why they build those pyramids, you are not thinking logically.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
AFAIK, God didn't tell Obama, NASA or even Elon Musk to colonize Mars. If he did, then it may be a worthwhile endeavor. But so far, we do not know if the ship can be built. Noah had some impossible task set before him. By then, he was 500 years-old. Yet, with God's help he was able to complete his mission. It's the same with the Ark Encounter and Jonah's Ark. Will the NASA scientists, i.e. atheist scientists, be able to complete their mission of just building a ship to get us there? No God's help. Hm...
Wow!

Ignorance and dishonest misinformation.

There are no mission to colonise Mars or any other planets. You have been watching too much sci-fi movies or TV shows.

We don't have the technology to make a permanent colony in any planet, especially the wasteland of Mars, and we don't have the technology to make planet inhabitable, like terraforming, which also fall in the realm of science fiction.

There are some civilian idiots, who do think they can colonise Mars, but it is not from NASA. There are no water, air and natural resources. The civilian companies attempting to colonize Mars, if they get there, it may be one-way trip, and their capsule or whatever they would be living in, when their food, water and air run out, would be be their coffins or tombs.

There are no justification for even NASA astronauts to travel there, let alone live there for any extended time.
 

Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Sorry, but the Egyptians started building pyramids several centuries before the estimated date of the translations. They were built for entombment for the current king. Sometimes smaller pyramids were built for their wives, next to the kings' pyramids. Only the 4th dynasty pyramids were large. The 5th and 6th dynasty pyramids were getting smaller and smaller, so they would often much protection whatsoever.

The notion, your speculation, that they were built to keep them safe, is absurd. Putting dead body in the coffin inside a pyramid is not keeping them safe. And why would they continue to build pyramids after this mythological Flood.

Not only you are wrong about why they build those pyramids, you are not thinking logically.

They went in alive, came out dead. They were built like giant fishing sinkers to withstand the flood. The Egyptians came later, so taken by the magnificence of the pyramids, built by the pre-flood inhabitants, attempted building them too. Though never reaching the enormity of the original pyramids. But finding the pre-flood pyramids full of corpses, the Egyptians became obsessed with death and believed that burying your dead in pyramids had some sort of value. In actuality those people didn't want to become corpses in the pyramid. The pre-flood inhabitants who took shelter from the flood in the pyramids built them too short, by the devils design. Water poured in through the air shafts, and that was the end of them.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
They went in alive, came out dead. They were built like giant fishing sinkers to withstand the flood. The Egyptians came later, so taken by the magnificence of the pyramids, built by the pre-flood inhabitants, attempted building them too.
Again, you are making things up. You are simply making wild speculation. You claim are baseless, and sounds more like conspiracy theory than history or archaeology.

Ignorance is one thing, but ignorance and dishonesty don't make you smart at all.

Do you have any source or any evidence to back your claims up?

Why would they build something 200 to 300 years before the Flood, if they knew it would come?

Your ideas and logic are absurd.

Do you remember when I wrote about 1st king who began the 3rd dynasty, and the first to build a pyramid? Djoser would be a fool if he was to build 300 years before the Flood, but actually the fool is here, making claim that are clearly nonsense.

You have admitted in your post about the pyramids that it was just speculation, but now you are trying to justify as if it was fact, and there lies the absurdity of your last two replies.
 
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Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Again, you are making things up. You are simply making wild speculation. You claim are baseless, and sounds more like conspiracy theory than history or archaeology.

Ignorance is one thing, but ignorance and dishonesty don't make you smart at all.

Do you have any source or any evidence to back your claims up?

Why would they build something 200 to 300 years before the Flood, if they knew it would come?

Your ideas and logic are absurd.

Do you remember when I wrote about 1st king who began the 3rd dynasty, and the first to build a pyramid? Djoser would be a fool if he was to build 300 years before the Flood, but actually the fool is here, making claim that are clearly nonsense.

You have admitted in your post about the pyramids that it was just speculation, but now you are trying to justify as if it was fact, and there lies the absurdity of your last two replies.

Who built what before the flood that wiped out all mankind? It seems like a lot of work just to bury a king. People are always speculating on what other purpose those pyramids might have had. And now you know, they were giant fishing sinkers full of people, built to withstand the flood,... almost.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
Who built what before the flood that wiped out all mankind? It seems like a lot of work just to bury a king. People are always speculating on what other purpose those pyramids might have had. And now you know, they were giant fishing sinkers full of people, built to withstand the flood,... almost.
You don't understand history, archaeology or anthropology, and you making up a lot of baseless claims that you cannot back up.

I have already explained to you about the history of Egypt, regarding to pyramids (in my 1st reply to you...clearly it waste of time and effort), so clearly explaining to you more, would be fruitless exercise.

Go ahead, forget what I have to educate you, and keep your head buried in the sand. Keep making foolish claims of what you don't understand, you are only making creationists look ignorant and dishonest.
 

Kemosloby

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You don't understand history, archaeology or anthropology, and you making up a lot of baseless claims that you cannot back up.

I have already explained to you about the history of Egypt, regarding to pyramids (in my 1st reply to you...clearly it waste of time and effort), so clearly explaining to you more, would be fruitless exercise.

Go ahead, forget what I have to educate you, and keep your head buried in the sand. Keep making foolish claims of what you don't understand, you are only making creationists look ignorant and dishonest.

You assume I have absolute faith in archaeologists. I do not. It has never occured to archaeologists that one of those pyramids existed before the flood. So they simply alter their facts and interpretation to fit the story they have agreed on. The Egyptians found the pyramid and copied it, locking people in chains, forcing them to build pyramids to the Gods, because that was their only explanation for the pre-flood pyramid which they had found.
 
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